You mentioned it. You started it. Like I said, I don't care how club got its money. Spend however you like.
The Chelsea Thread
- Thread starter Ramires
- Start date
- Replies 35K
- Views 3M
Would be the end of my boy Mikel though
Probably. Despite Mikel being an 8 year veteran of a fiercely competitive club, I doubt anyone's ever going to give him credit. If he's not going to get played, best sell him and let him enjoy his peak years somewhere else.
But what specifically has he done which has been so good (we're talking best in the world good here)?
To say he's this and that is one thing but what is the actual evidence other than what he may be capable of doing?
People saying he's better than Vidal or Marchisio is just not true, Vidal hasn't even been in good form or had any consistency to his game for the last 9-12 months due to the injury he picked up before world cup.
When Vidal is at his best he has more of an effect on a game than Pogba IMO. Marchisio isn't one of these types of players, he's more an engine in the team.
Marchisio is a different kind of player to Pogba so it's hard to compare them.
I (and in this case Mike.) watch him pretty regularly. What do you want me to say? You want me to quote figures, or what?
Do you even watch Serie A? I'm serious. I'm just curious because you say Pogba's not better than Marchisio despite him being played ahead of Marchisio practically every time. Pogba made more appearances than ANYONE in Juve's squad last season. More than Buffon, more than Pirlo, more than TEVEZ. He's simply better than Marchisio in pretty much every measurable metric: goals, assists, tackles, whatever.
As for Vidal, if you're off form for an ENTIRE YEAR then perhaps your knee injury might be a bit more than just temporary. Quite apart from that, it makes your argument earlier about Pogba being inconsistent ******* LAUGHABLE.
Box to box goalscoring central midfielders with an attacking slant but excellent defensive skills to complement it? Practically universes apart m8
But people keep saying he is the best (young player) in the world yet you keep comparing him to ageing players in the Juventus squad or injury-suffered partygoers like Vidal.
Not this season but I watched Juventus quite frequently last season and I never saw anything from Pogba which consistently made me think he was performing to the level which everyone seems to be making out.
Out of interest, who would you say is the best young player then?
Marco Veratti is really good, yeh he's playing in the mickey mouse league but right now Serie A isn't much better.
Marco Reus, Sterling over last few seasons, Toni Kroos.
Tbf CM wise he's really one of the brighest players there is for his age, but that's never in doubt, I just don't think his performances deserve praise when it isn't that good.
He has all the tools to be a great player like I mentioned, I just have doubts over whether he will be truely what he can be capable of due to his ego/attitude.
Marco Reus, Sterling over last few seasons, Toni Kroos.
Tbf CM wise he's really one of the brighest players there is for his age, but that's never in doubt, I just don't think his performances deserve praise when it isn't that good.
He has all the tools to be a great player like I mentioned, I just have doubts over whether he will be truely what he can be capable of due to his ego/attitude.
Because they're his teammates. Claudio Marchisio is a top class player in his prime at 28 who plays exactly like Pogba, and he's been utterly left in the dust by him. Pogba's a better young CM than any other in the world right now, and that's the simple fact of it.
Verratti isn't even close.
You keep saying this, but you've yet to actually cite an example where his ego or attitude has negative impacted on his performance on the pitch.
Why? It's so easy to go "he's not close" "no he isn't either" just by looking at the two players you would assume Pogba is better but what actually has highlighted it on the pitch?
No I don't have an example with a gif/vine to highlight his attitude effecting a decision he makes on the pitch this second, no. But it is evident.
Last season Pogba had more goals, assists, tackles, key passes, successful dribbles, was dribbled by the opposition less often, made more clearances, won more aerial duels and blocked more passes. Essentially he buttfucked Verratti in every way possible other than pass accuracy, which is pretty much Verratti's thing.
So you call me out for not providing evidence and then respond by not providing evidence. Too easy bro. Fact is, much as you'd like him to have shown massive signs of problems, Pogba's showed nothing other than a desire to prove himself and get better as a player since he's arrived in Italy.
Pogba did have ego issues. When he was 17 at United, and therefore not even a man. He's grown up quite a lot since then, as most people do.
and Verratti is great, but he's no Pogba.
You've provided the stats but anyone who consistently watches Juve knows he is the real deal.
zzezzy stop trying to make an argument you cant win.
Imagine midfield options of Pogba, Fabregas, Matic, Ramires and Khedeira. Oh lord have mercy ...
i dont want to and all that and laying goals on for the monster that is costa for the love of god no
I'm not saying Veratti is better, infact I've already said previously that Pogba is the brightest CM there is for his age but the point that I'm making is I don't think his attitude is going to make him become as great as everyone thinks.
Despite what anyone says you could still fit his ego inside a mansion with little room to spare.
Weirdly enough that would make Chelsea's defence by far and away the weakest area of the team. How times change!
You couldn't fit Zlatan's ego in any mansion. Nor Ronaldo's. Nor Maradona's. Having a ridiculous amount of self confidence and a touch of arrogance is almost a prerequisite for reaching the top. As I said, you've yet to come up with a good example of his attitude actually impinging in his performances negatively. In fact, that arrogance has given him a chip on his shoulder, because he's been so determined to prove the doubters wrong. It's made him a monster.
Last edited:
Average Joe
Member
- Joined
- May 25, 2009
- Messages
- 7,420
- Reaction score
- 13
- Points
- 38
Sorry Zzeezzy but I have to say Pogba is top class all round. ANY team would want him in their squad. He's a very complete player regardless of his age.
I'm a Milan fan so I don't want to sing his praises too much but he is one of the main reasons Juve stay so consistent in the league.....sadly!
I'm a Milan fan so I don't want to sing his praises too much but he is one of the main reasons Juve stay so consistent in the league.....sadly!
Actually I'd say in most of them cases their ego/attitude has grown as they have achieved more and been recognised as being great players through what they have done throughout seasons.
With Ronaldo he has massive ego now but when he first came to United I actually think he was just a young determined guy who worked his **** off to get where he wanted to go.