The Chelsea Thread

[Chelski Shogun]

A decent read from The Mail about Diego Costa, a little background into his footballing career etc...

How Diego Costa the street fighter is turning into the new Luis Suarez... the Chelsea striker has elbowed his way to the top from Brazil to Spain to England | Daily Mail Online

 

[Theatreof Dreams]

David Amoyal @DavidAmoyal Follow Chelsea ready to close the Cuadrado deal: the contracts are ready http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/chelsea-ready-to-close-the-cuadrado-deal-the-contracts-are-ready/ …

 

[cfc12345]

Schurrle has been poor majority of this season but I'm still sad to see him go. Also don't see how it makes sense to decrease our already small squad by letting two players leave and only having one come in.

 

[Theatreof Dreams]

Schurrle has been poor majority of this season but I'm still sad to see him go. Also don't see how it makes sense to decrease our already small squad by letting two players leave and only having one come in.

And bringing in one that's been largely poor this season in Cuadrado.

 

[epic terrorist]

Gutted Shirley is going really liked him agree though he hasn't performed at all this season

 

[cfc12345]

And bringing in one that's been largely poor this season in Cuadrado.

Never watched cuadrado so I can't comment on him but if I'm honest id rather we only get rid of salah or stick with what we've already got.

 

[Alcaraz]

Btw Gary Neville and Gary Lineker just tweeted that Costa should not be charged. Charge not quite as cut and dry as some people claim

 

[Shteffyyy]

Costa gets a 3game ban and Ronaldo only gets a 2game for PUNCHING a player?!

 

[sunilvk7]

Costa gets a 3game ban and Ronaldo only gets a 2game for PUNCHING a player?!

Costa got just 3 game ban for stamping and Rooney got 2 games for swearing infront of Camera?

 

[Andras99]

Costa got just 3 game ban for stamping and Rooney got 2 games for swearing infront of Camera?

Not that I am defending any of the two, but in Costa's case, one can argue that what he did was unintentional. Can you say the same about Rooney?

 

[GodCubed]

Btw Gary Neville and Gary Lineker just tweeted that Costa should not be charged. Charge not quite as cut and dry as some people claim

It isn't, but it should be.

Not that I am defending any of the two, but in Costa's case, one can argue that what he did was unintentional. Can you say the same about Rooney?

However, you can also say that what Rooney did didn't really harm anyone, especially not his fellow professionals.

Costa gets a 3game ban and Ronaldo only gets a 2game for PUNCHING a player?!

Of course Ronaldo got less of a ban. Real are facing Atletico in three games times, we couldn't possibly have him missing that!

Also, it was a wonderful punch/kick combo for +30% damage. Still a bit of a **** at times is our Ronnie.

 

[sunilvk7]

Not that I am defending any of the two, but in Costa's case, one can argue that what he did was unintentional. Can you say the same about Rooney?

What Costa did was not unintentional.

I can argue that it's not Rooney's mistake if Camera guy crosses the line and enters the pitch.

 

[GodCubed]

What Costa did was not unintentional.

I can argue that it's not Rooney's mistake if Camera guy crosses the line and enters the pitch.

Cameras are all over football grounds, particularly at the end of a match, you'd be hard pressed to argue ignorance of them. Not to mention that every part of a football pitch is considered a broadcasting area by legal definition, so even if he did claim not to know about that rule he still wouldn't get away with it. The clincher is, of course, that players can be cited under the nebulous term of 'bringing the game into disrepute', which Rooney would absolutely get done for if he swore at a camera.

 

[sunilvk7]

Cameras are all over football grounds, particularly at the end of a match, you'd be hard pressed to argue ignorance of them. Not to mention that every part of a football pitch is considered a broadcasting area by legal definition, so even if he did claim not to know about that rule he still wouldn't get away with it. The clincher is, of course, that players can be cited under the nebulous term of 'bringing the game into disrepute', which Rooney would absolutely get done for if he swore at a camera.

I have not seen any camera guy entering pitch when players are celebrating and before the end of the match. Rooney was near penalty box when he swore and I don't know why Camera guy just ran toward him.

Btw it's all done, just that you can defend anything if you want to. Comparing it to Ronaldo's ban is also not correct because it's La Liga and what they follow might be different from English FA.

Also argument should be why other stamps like Aguero stamping on Luiz was not punished, if the ref said he has seen it then he should be fired on spot for not showing red card for blatant red card offense.

 

[GodCubed]

I have not seen any camera guy entering pitch when players are celebrating and before the end of the match. Rooney was near penalty box when he swore and I don't know why Camera guy just ran toward him.

Meh, changes nothing in regards to the entire pitch being a broadcasting area. You say or do something bad on it as someone who is in the indirect pay of the FA and you're liable to get done for it. Simple as that.

Btw it's all done, just that you can defend anything if you want to.

You can try, yes, but often some things are so indefensible that you're going to stretch credibility too far. I will say I don't think this case is one of those ones, I think there's a defence to be made, I just disagree with it.

Comparing it to Ronaldo's ban is also not correct because it's La Liga and what they follow might be different from English FA

And amazingly enough our system might actually be less useless than the Spanish one. It's a minor miracle.

Also argument should be why other stamps like Aguero stamping on Luiz was not punished, if the ref said he has seen it then he should be fired on spot for not showing red card for blatant red card offense.

That's a bit harsh on the ref. Plenty of factors at play. The stamp on Luiz was clearly something that should've got Aguero banned out the ****, but he wasn't, and we can't just start being 'consistent' for consistency's sake and not cite Costa for it. Real problem in these cases is it's reasonably easy to judge in slow motion and with replays, but nearly impossible in a spur of the moment thing since football is so, well, foot-based. I mean just look at the two stamps Costa pulled off: to my eyes only one of them is deliberate, so I sympathise with the refs who have to deal with these cases.

 

[Andras99]

What Costa did was not unintentional.

I can argue that it's not Rooney's mistake if Camera guy crosses the line and enters the pitch.

It's not his mistake, but nobody forced him to swear on camera.

He deserved his ban, and Costa deserves his too. Unintentional or not, this kind of behaviour should be always punished, ignoring the fact that the referee gave a foul or a yellow.

Same thing goes to divers. Post match punishment should be a thing.

 

[sunilvk7]

Meh, changes nothing in regards to the entire pitch being a broadcasting area. You say or do something bad on it as someone who is in the indirect pay of the FA and you're liable to get done for it. Simple as that.

Entire pitch is broadcasting area doesn't mean camera guy can enter the pitch, just like entire pitch is viewing area for people doesn't mean they can enter the pitch. There are barricades and boundaries for non playing staff. Even manager is not supposed to enter the pitch during the game.

You can try, yes, but often some things are so indefensible that you're going to stretch credibility too far. I will say I don't think this case is one of those ones, I think there's a defence to be made, I just disagree with it.

Couldn't care less to defend what happened years ago, it was just an example.

And amazingly enough our system might actually be less useless than the Spanish one. It's a minor miracle.

Amazingly I'm not judging which system is useless, just that we can't compare what happened with Spanish FA and English FA. If both players were done by English FA then its a valid comparison.

That's a bit harsh on the ref. Plenty of factors at play. The stamp on Luiz was clearly something that should've got Aguero banned out the ****, but he wasn't, and we can't just start being 'consistent' for consistency's sake and not cite Costa for it. Real problem in these cases is it's reasonably easy to judge in slow motion and with replays, but nearly impossible in a spur of the moment thing since football is so, well, foot-based. I mean just look at the two stamps Costa pulled off: to my eyes only one of them is deliberate, so I sympathise with the refs who have to deal with these cases.

I agree that it was harsh on ref if it was an incident like penalty or if it's a close call. Aguero on Luiz was as clear as they get, if they miss so obvious thing then it's time to judge the ref's credibility. I have defended refs here that they are under so much scrutiny after watching million replays but like you said somethings are indefensible and this belongs to that category.

 

[sunilvk7]

It's not his mistake, but nobody forced him to swear on camera.

He deserved his ban, and Costa deserves his too. Unintentional or not, this kind of behaviour should be always punished, ignoring the fact that the referee gave a foul or a yellow.

Same thing goes to divers. Post match punishment should be a thing.

I agree. My point was that you can make excuse for anything.

 

[GodCubed]

Entire pitch is broadcasting area doesn't mean camera guy can enter the pitch, just like entire pitch is viewing area for people doesn't mean they can enter the pitch. There are barricades and boundaries for non playing staff. Even manager is not supposed to enter the pitch during the game.

Actually I believe official broadcasting guidelines prohibit cameras from straying onto the playing area. That's an important difference to the pitch itself. Essentially, they're not allowed to go over the lines while the game is underway. In that case, the cameraman was about level with the back of the goal, so it was perfectly fine for him to be there.

Couldn't care less to defend what happened years ago, it was just an example.

When I said 'in this case' I was referring to Costa.

Amazingly I'm not judging which system is useless, just that we can't compare what happened with Spanish FA and English FA. If both players were done by English FA then its a valid comparison.

No need for snark, that comment wasn't a criticism of you. There's still a comparison to be made between the two cases, though perhaps in more of an abstract way than a direct take.

I agree that it was harsh on ref if it was an incident like penalty or if it's a close call. Aguero on Luiz was as clear as they get, if they miss so obvious thing then it's time to judge the ref's credibility. I have defended refs here that they are under so much scrutiny after watching million replays but like you said somethings are indefensible and this belongs to that category.

Aguero on Luiz was as clear as they get to us, but I don't remember the referee's or his linesmens positions, so it's possible he didn't see it clearly, or indeed at all. That said, if he did then he deserved a talking to, because that was far worse than Costa's. Completely without doubt that there was malice in it, unlike Costa's.

 

[sunilvk7]

Actually I believe official broadcasting guidelines prohibit cameras from straying onto the playing area. That's an important difference to the pitch itself. Essentially, they're not allowed to go over the lines while the game is underway. In that case, the cameraman was about level with the back of the goal, so it was perfectly fine for him to be there.

I haven't read the regulations but I assumed that they should be near the pitch. This is the best pic I could get with all the restricted access i have with office network.

That's very close to the pitch.

See we are arguing on this point which is exactly what I said in my first post. If you want you can draw line and argue on anything.

Btw if we are playing with technicalities like he was just close to goal post but didn't cross the line then "**** what ****" is hardly ban worthy words. He didn't racially abuse anyone or abused anyone. Just "**** what ****" which is a very very common used word.

Also Zaha, VDS, Joe Hart, Micah Richards were all caught swearing infront of camera and none were done for it.

When I said 'in this case' I was referring to Costa.

Stamp on Can looks clearly intentional to me.

No need for snark, that comment wasn't a criticism of you. There's still a comparison to be made between the two cases, though perhaps in more of an abstract way than a direct take.

Didn't meant to come out in that way but that's internet and what posting and reading can make.
Still I don't agree with comparison. In La Liga all the hand ball is yellow card offense but same is not the case in England. Likewise you can't compare how La Liga dealt with Biscuits when he was accused of Racial abuse to Suarez and Terry's case. In La Liga and Serie A racial abuse from fans gets a small fines but in England I would assume it would be massive one. ..

So each FA is difference, Costa's one can be compared with sanctions from FA only. Better comparison would be Benteke getting 3 match ban for a slap or headbutt, so compared to that Costa's is justified.

Aguero on Luiz was as clear as they get to us, but I don't remember the referee's or his linesmens positions, so it's possible he didn't see it clearly, or indeed at all. That said, if he did then he deserved a talking to, because that was far worse than Costa's. Completely without doubt that there was malice in it, unlike Costa's.

If Ref position is not clear then he can say that he has not seen the incident and charge Aguero later. He was not charged means ref agreed he saw the incident and decided not to take any actions.

I agree there was no malice in what Costa did. It's just his way of winding up opponents.