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zzeezzy said:
Chelsea the perfect team for Stones development? Not a chance. I'd say that if he went to any of the big clubs in the league, right now he's best staying at Everton and getting regular game time.
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Not necessarily. Look at Zouma, he's developed quite well under us even with limited game time.
 
zzeezzy said:
Dafuq O.o

Mourinho is not the only manager who can do that, look how many goals United conceded with the defence we had and all the injuries and tell me LVG can't set up and organise a defence. (Lets not forget that Mourinho learnt from LVG anyway).

Also you are totally doing a disservice to other managers in the league..... Pulis springs to mind as well as others. Very flawed logic in that sentence.
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It does help when you have superman in goal
 
zzeezzy said:
Chelsea the perfect team for Stones development? Not a chance. I'd say that if he went to any of the big clubs in the league, right now he's best staying at Everton and getting regular game time.
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This season, maybe too soon yeah.

But Terry is 34, 35 in December

Cahill is still fine at 29, 30 in December too. Few years left in him anyway.

Other than that It's pretty much on Zouma at 20 who is next choice unless I'm forgetting someone. Don't know a lot about Ake.

Chelsea will probably be looking for a Terry replacement soon and Stones could be a great fit.

Get a good pairing of Stones and Zouma in a few years could be great
 
Average Joe said:
This season, maybe too soon yeah.

But Terry is 34, 35 in December

Cahill is still fine at 29, 30 in December too. Few years left in him anyway.

Other than that It's pretty much on Zouma at 20 who is next choice unless I'm forgetting someone. Don't know a lot about Ake.

Chelsea will probably be looking for a Terry replacement soon and Stones could be a great fit
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Yeah, to be honest I expected us to go in for Stones at some point, personally I thought it would've been next season but I'd be more than happy if we got him in this window.
 
Zouma has had a few good performances here and there marking players out of the game etc. but lets not get carried away, nothing is as valuable to a player as regular game time.

I just can't agree with the point of Mourinho being the only manager in PL who can set up and organise a team defensively, it's a very flawed point and it certainly isn't true. Any team for example Pulis manages has to be a cohesive unit in some form in order to work effectively under him. I think you're doing a lot of managers a disservice by saying they just throw players behind a ball in order to do it, honestly you could aim that at Mourinho a lot of times, there is more to it then that.
 
Average Joe said:
This season, maybe too soon yeah.

But Terry is 34, 35 in December

Cahill is still fine at 29, 30 in December too. Few years left in him anyway.

Other than that It's pretty much on Zouma at 20 who is next choice unless I'm forgetting someone. Don't know a lot about Ake.

Chelsea will probably be looking for a Terry replacement soon and Stones could be a great fit.

Get a good pairing of Stones and Zouma in a few years could be great
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In a few years time yes. but we were talking about now, in my opinion any season for him on the bench more often than not is only going to help slow down his progression. Same with Zouma to be honest, he's had a few appearences here and there sometimes not even in his natural position, but it certainly doesn't help. Just look at Jones at United for an example, it's a similar scenario, a player needs regular game time in their best position to progress as productively as possible.
 
Agree with Zzezzy as good as mourinho is he is not the only manager who can set up and grannies a team properly, few names off top of the head would be Koeman, Big Sam, million percent Pulis I am not having that he just packs a defence at all that's doing him a total disservice look at what he turned Chamakh into. Defo LVG people harp on about Uniteds defence being gash well they didn't concede that many more than Chelsea.

also could go on
 
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zzeezzy said:
Zouma has had a few good performances here and there marking players out of the game etc. but lets not get carried away, nothing is as valuable to a player as regular game time.

I just can't agree with the point of Mourinho being the only manager in PL who can set up and organise a team defensively, it's a very flawed point and it certainly isn't true. Any team for example Pulis manages has to be a cohesive unit in some form in order to work effectively under him. I think you're doing a lot of managers a disservice by saying they just throw players behind a ball in order to do it, honestly you could aim that at Mourinho a lot of times, there is more to it then that.
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Zouma may of only had a few good performances, but he's still developed under us and that's my point. Even if Stones doesn't get much game time, he'll still be learning from IMO the best defender in the PL and being coached by the best manager in the league.

I don't agree with the point that Mourinho is the only manager in the PL who can set up and organise a team defensively either. Pulis, Pardew, Hughes etc they can all do it, but I think the point is that Mourinho's probably the best at it in the league.
 
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Anyway, I'd love for us to sign Stones. I know he's talented, but for me the most appealing aspect of his game is that he's versatile and can cover all the positions in our defence that we need to cover, CB and RB. Our defence is stretched pretty thin when you take Brana and Dave or Luis out of the equation. We have no one that can cover in Brana's position other than Dave at the moment, so bringing Stones in would sort that problem and the issue of needing another CB.
 
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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree but there's only one manager who truly excels at having his players drilled properly in the art of defending for me and that's Mourinho.

There's other managers that have their teams well organised and disciplined to sit. But no team has the defensive awareness right the way through currently than Chelsea. When you compare them to most every team they play it's very noticeable.

And now I've gone praised Mourinho which never sits well. Darn it!
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree but there's only one manager who truly excels at having his players drilled properly in the art of defending for me and that's Mourinho.

There's other managers that have their teams well organised and disciplined to sit. But no team has the defensive awareness right the way through currently than Chelsea. When you compare them to most every team they play it's very noticeable.

And now I've gone praised Mourinho which never sits well. Darn it!
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree but there's only one manager who truly excels at having his players drilled properly in the art of defending for me and that's Mourinho.
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You seem to be forgetting that current Chelsea defense was just as capable of shutting down the shop when Mourinho wasn't even there. They've done it extremely well under Benitez, who can also be considered a defense specialist. But then they've also done it under Di Mateo, who isn't really an expert at anything, apart from looking **** fine in a suit.

The obvious conclusion is that its not really about the manager, its about the players. There's no better group of oldschool "box" defenders in the world right now.
 
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Tyton said:
You seem to be forgetting that current Chelsea defense was just as capable of shutting down the shop when Mourinho wasn't even there. They've done it extremely well under Benitez, who can also be considered a defense specialist. But then they've also done it under Di Mateo, who isn't really an expert at anything, apart from looking **** fine in a suit.

The obvious conclusion is that its not really about the manager, its about the players. There's no better group of oldschool "box" defenders in the world right now.
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It's not just the defenders 'shutting down the shop.' He has the whole team so well drilled as a unit in all knowing exactly what their role is with and without the ball it's an art form. Defending starts from the front on back down there which is getting less and less in the modern game.

Not the prettiest to watch at times but darn is it effective.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
It's not just the defenders 'shutting down the shop.' He has the whole team so well drilled as a unit in all knowing exactly what their role is with and without the ball it's an art form. Defending starts from the front on back down there which is getting less and less in the modern game.
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Sure, but like I've said, you can't reasonably give all the credit to Mourinho. Di Mateo's side, for example, allowed amongst the least goals in CL group stages, they kept Barca quiet in the semis at home, they managed to draw away while playing 60 minutes with 10 men, and only allowed one goal in 120 minutes of being absolutely battered by Heynckes Bayern. And that's what, 4 years ago? They've been doing that **** for a long time now.

And its the backline that really makes or breaks playing in that style. Terry may have mobility of Stephen Hawking, but he's still the best out there when defending with deep line. Similarily, Cahill may **** himself everytime he has to step outside of the box, but put him 5 meters from his own post and he turns into Georgio Cahillini, Destroyer of Dreams.

Mourinho without a doubt is the best defensive manager out there, but he didn't turn Chelsea into the best defensive formation. They already were that when he arrived.
 
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