I just feel its embarrassing to have a player say he wont move to us unless he is guarenteed a central position. Players should want to play for LFC because its LFC not the other way round. On the gerrard issue I love the man but his time as a first teamer in this intense league has come to an end. No way would he be able to fit into Jurgen's high press. However what irks me is that gerrard himself said he would not have been bothered with being a bit part player if coaching was involved. Instead we decide to get rid of him and his invaluable experience.
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I just feel its embarrassing to have a player say he wont move to us unless he is guarenteed a central position. Players should want to play for LFC because its LFC not the other way round. On the gerrard issue I love the man but his time as a first teamer in this intense league has come to an end. No way would he be able to fit into Jurgen's high press. However what irks me is that gerrard himself said he would not have been bothered with being a bit part player if coaching was involved. Instead we decide to get rid of him and his invaluable experience.
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It would of been interesting to see Steven still at the club under Klopp.
As much as I'd love him to still be here. I'm not sure he'd of coped with the all out work rate Jurgen demands personally. He's still got every technical and mental attribute, and on ability and influence alone would walk into the side. But when your legs go, through no fault of your own, it's time to move on. Competing in the MLS is one thing. But as we've seen the last couple of years, the top level of the BPL is a complete other. Maybe in a reduced role we'd still of gotten 20 great games or so as BH suggested above but I honestly thought we should of moved on from him a year or so back. The mind was willing but the body just wasn't
The real tragedy, aside from the MASSIVE void he's left by his mere presence and there being no leaders in the squad at all of anything like; is if one player ever deserved a title it was Steven. I don't think there's ever been a more influential player for his club at the top level that's never won his domestic league. And now we're on the road back to #19, as I have full belief we are under the new man; it's a travesty Gerrard won't be around to be a part of that.
But I have little to no doubt that he's the one former player who the German would welcome with open arms back into the club as a coach at some point. But no need to rush that. Let him enjoy seeing out the end of his days with hopefully more glory in LA whilst learning the other side of the game.
I look forward to the next L'pool chapter of Steven when he's experienced enough and ready.
As much as I'd love him to still be here. I'm not sure he'd of coped with the all out work rate Jurgen demands personally. He's still got every technical and mental attribute, and on ability and influence alone would walk into the side. But when your legs go, through no fault of your own, it's time to move on. Competing in the MLS is one thing. But as we've seen the last couple of years, the top level of the BPL is a complete other. Maybe in a reduced role we'd still of gotten 20 great games or so as BH suggested above but I honestly thought we should of moved on from him a year or so back. The mind was willing but the body just wasn't
The real tragedy, aside from the MASSIVE void he's left by his mere presence and there being no leaders in the squad at all of anything like; is if one player ever deserved a title it was Steven. I don't think there's ever been a more influential player for his club at the top level that's never won his domestic league. And now we're on the road back to #19, as I have full belief we are under the new man; it's a travesty Gerrard won't be around to be a part of that.
But I have little to no doubt that he's the one former player who the German would welcome with open arms back into the club as a coach at some point. But no need to rush that. Let him enjoy seeing out the end of his days with hopefully more glory in LA whilst learning the other side of the game.
I look forward to the next L'pool chapter of Steven when he's experienced enough and ready.
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Amen brother. And they will again going forward our else they won't be here. Simple as.
Milner's already discovered what he was promised under Rodgers doesn't fly under Klopp and you'll play we're he wants you to play or not at all. Be interesting to see if he sticks. He certainly has the right attitude and work ethic to. But he needs to up his game massively as outside of the derby, he's not warranted a place at all. As noted, I thought he and Phil were our poorest players Sat'day. (Coutinho needs to up his game too as he's been **** poor this year. Stop trying to be overly flash and do it all and keep it simple.).
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I don't see a problem in Milner wanting a central position at all. I don't think it means he doesnt want t play for us otherwise. He's got a few years left and wants to enjoy it, if he doesn't enjoy the wing then I'm open to him wanting a move for himself, he's been a great professional through his career so he's no spoilt brat.
I don't think you can look at it and say he didn't want to play for us, it was just simply he wants what he felt best for his career, can't dig him for that.
In my ideal world anyway he isnt near our starting XI next season because we have better players, and I think my ideal world is about to come true.
Now Klopp is in my opinion on everyone is going to be refreshed, We will see players perform better in Klopps style than Rodgers, and may see a few actually do worse. All I know is this is an exciting time we now have!
Hearing loads of background noise about Balotelli staying after his loan too, would need to work miracles to get him to fit Klopp's style...
It was a massive **** on Skrtels head really. Not me or any other scouser I've spoken to agree with the decision.
Skrtel barely communicates with his CB partner. Personally not captain material for me.
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Outside of Toure, Skrtel or Sakho, who is?
Henderson as captain is a complete joke. He couldn't lead his way out of a paper bag. Milner has the experience but shouldn't be the vice as he's just got here. Can potentially down the line but he's nowhere near ready to lead.
The aforementioned three are the only ones for me anywhere near experienced enough. Toure shouldn't be playing at this level. His legs are long gone. So you're left with one of the two centre halves and Skrtel going into this year, as much as I hope he's gone next summer; was the senior natural choice for me.
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Got to disagree with you there. He's verbal and has leadership qualities in my eyes. At 30 years old he's also wise and the younger players will be looking upto him. Not to mention his loyalty, 7 years he has under his belt playing for us now.
I would say even Lucas was worth a shout but his position in the starting 11 was guaranteed at the time.
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Lucas. Sorry, the other senior pro I neglected. My bad.
Toure, Skrtel, Lucas and maybe Sakho. Wouldn't of gone in any other direction.
Im going to have to disagree with you again. Skrtel never communicates with his centrehalf partner. Which is why skrtels best years have been when he is partnered with a more senior player. However when he is the senior CB he is to busy playing WWE then organising the back four during set pieces. Lucas for me should have been captain, every LFC teammate says he is likeable and most respected in the group.
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Harry Redknapp haha.
What a biased and bitter man he is during his pundit gigs - The best was when BT were mentioning how poor Spurs' record recently against Liverpool was and he wouldn't move past the point it was since he left
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I don't know if he's been jibbed for the job at Anfield at some point, or whether it's through Ferguson ala that other useless gobshite Allardyce, but Redknapp ******* hates us for some reason.
Even stranger when we were so good to his boy.
Why is it knobheads that have done nottin' always shout the loudest bollocks?
Even stranger when we were so good to his boy.
Why is it knobheads that have done nottin' always shout the loudest bollocks?
its there way of coping plus to mask how bad thay were
I can only think he put his interest into the Liverpool job for them to completely ignore him. Has a stick up his ****.
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I kind of get it, he was manager of Spurs so it's natural to be somewhat biased, but it was laughable at times.
It was almost Chris Sutton level of bullshit if you've seen him!
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Good discussion on MNF tonight with Carragher's views on the immediate difference to our play under Klopp:
Jurgen Klopp's first Liverpool game assessed by Jamie Carragher | Football News | Sky Sports
Honestly not seen us as a back four as organised and defending as well as a team since Rafa. And the great thing is that's a brilliant bench mark for him now to say 'we did that after three days work. Next time out, I want you to go for all out for 25/30 minutes then rest and go again second half.' And so on building everything by the game.
Didn't realise we had more possession than Tottenham either. I mean we controlled the second half without creating as much as we should. But still real pleasing to know we worked that hard and dominated the possession away at one of the most inform teams in the league.
Jurgen Klopp's first Liverpool game assessed by Jamie Carragher | Football News | Sky Sports
Honestly not seen us as a back four as organised and defending as well as a team since Rafa. And the great thing is that's a brilliant bench mark for him now to say 'we did that after three days work. Next time out, I want you to go for all out for 25/30 minutes then rest and go again second half.' And so on building everything by the game.
Didn't realise we had more possession than Tottenham either. I mean we controlled the second half without creating as much as we should. But still real pleasing to know we worked that hard and dominated the possession away at one of the most inform teams in the league.
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I hope it does improve further, because we still should have conceded 2 or 3 goals
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And we hit the bar and would probably of scored ourselves if we had any experience up front. 4 chances to three in 'Spurs favour all told.
By the same token you flipped Mersk I think it was to defend Rodgers when he was going through the record and said Phils goal should never of stood Bournemouth and we only beat Stoke with a Worldie, and you responded by saying and if we'd taken other chances we'd have more points etc; the same goes for Sat'day.
Without being spectacular, it was an excellent first outing for me all things considered.
However If I remember clearly two of the gilt edged chances spurs had were from individual mistakes by skrtel. I specifically remember seeing him running backwards 3 times ( why does he always do that it allows op player to get closer to goal e.G martial goal ). I would be more worried if the chances came from an unorganised back four.