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And we controlled the second half and ended with one less chance (3-4) to Tottenham and hit the woodwork.

What more do you expect after three days work?
 
Where/what do you analyse if you don't mind my asking.
Formerly Europa and Premier League Football (13/14). Now it's Premiership and European Rugby (pre, half time and post match) and also live Tog analysis in game, all for BT sport
 
Formerly Europa and Premier League Football (13/14). Now it's Premiership and European Rugby (pre, half time and post match) and also live Tog analysis in game, all for BT sport

Definitely canceling my BT Sport contract now then. :>

Seriously though I'll have a look next time as I don't watch pre/mid/post that often.
 
Mike, Scouse,

To be fair I can see both sides of your argument here.

It wasn't excellent, but it wasn't bad by any means. We looked much more solid in defence than we have under Rodgers in a while. Yeah there were a few mistakes, but there was a clean sheet. So it wasn't poor by any stretch, certainly looked miles more comfortable than we have under Rodgers' defending (I can use that loosely.) Because under Rodgers in his last seaon and a bit, EVERY time we had the ball at the back my stomach was all over the place, it was scary to watch.

Watching Rodgers' football became painful, and this is coming someone who backed him to the hilt. He failed to learn from his mistakes of constantly try and play it around the back and goback to Simon "Can't kick for ****" Mignolet every time. It was awful to watch someone put him under that pressure so often, especially like I said he couldnt deal with it for his life.

So no, if Rodgers played that game we wouldnt have gone mad. We did playit round the back against Spurs, but when it was needed. And Mignolet wasnt put in incredibely bad situations with his feet, which was great to see.

But yeah we lacked creativity in attack, but you're naturally going to struggle when using your FOURTH choice striker, especially in a squad which isn't full of world class players, Origi probably would struggle to get in any Prem sides starting XI, without being harsh.

We're all excited for what Klopp will bring to this football club. Probably not a title, I'm not expecting that, but I'm also not saying it's impossible.

Changing us into a regular top 4 team is his job for now, and then he can aim for the top.

A team who stuffed City 4-1 and are in good form creating chances against us, no biggie. That's football.

Everyone has injuries yes, but not when you walk into a new side and are missing they're best player, and then his back up options. It's laughable to think you're trying to play down Klopp's ability and are not looking into the bigger picture.

That XI we had out against Spurs? Nothing on City's is it, look at them results....

Every game is different but we were not bad by any stretch. Using the fact you analyse football matched for a living doesn't mean you're correct, and through everything I've ever seen you post about Liverpool it looks like you have a big dislike to them, and rarely see a positive.

I also wouldnt get carried away with saying were excellent, I'd imagine Scouse means excellent compared to Rodgers lately, and yes there is a big comparision.

This isn't the season to judge Klopp anyway, but I think he's going to give us a big eye opener to where we will be in a few years time.

And Scouse, the players did fight for us in 13/14, ever so much! Rodgers managed to motivate them then (as well as self motivation would have played a part)

Like I said I was a huge Rodgers fan, until I realised every reason why I shouldnt be, he didn't learn from any mistakes, and he clearly wasn't the best man manager, as it's coming out.
 
Sorry for Subtle misconstruing/ misunderstanding that Jamie.

I was making the point about the big difference in the work rate of the players Saturday and somehow that transcended to '13/14and them not working for Rodgers.
 
Definitely canceling my BT Sport contract now then. :>

Seriously though I'll have a look next time as I don't watch pre/mid/post that often.

If you watch rugby, I'll be doing the analysis Friday and Sunday.
 
Please, enlighten us to when I haven't credited Rodgers for his part in '13/14.

He he took arguably the 6th best side going in and came within a game of the title. I've never not credited him for that on here.

But what I also don't do is go OTT on him that year and look at the key factor that season. A player having a Worldie, career year. The first four games we were shockingly poor. We eaked out some 1-0's that we were lucky to. Stumbled through Notts County the league cup. Then lost at home to Sourhampton. Then Suarez returned and was other Worldly for 34 games. That, along with Stirridge being for the majority, was what brought around the run in the main. ALL Ridgers had to do was get the defensive side organised. But instead he had no earthly on how to do that. Conceding a historically bad number of goals that were overshadowed by the 100 plus we scored the other end. Suarez by his mere nature pulls every other player along with him and his play on the field demanded extra from everyone else. To deny he was the catalyst that year is revisionist history and then some.

Rodgers deserves credit for being the manager of that team. But by the same token it can WELL be argued his naivety and cluelessness in certain areas cost us the league title that should of been wrapped up well before we played Chelsea.

There for a start? ALL he had to do was sort out the defense? Really? The idea that Suarez was so unstoppable that he basically single-handedly transformed into a worldclass attack, without input from Rodgers, is mad. There are plenty of teams that have phenomenally good attacking players and play like **** because they're being misused or the system as a whole is broken. Even with the best players, you still need someone to mould that attack, to ensure that they're being supplied and that they're able to focus on doing what they do best. Just look at Argentina, Brazil, Belgium etc if you see that in action.

So why not credit him for it? The only thing anyone seems to want to credit Rodgers for at all, are the things that he didn't do well. Defense is bad? Rodger's fault. Great attacking play? All because of the players. Good press? Proud players motivated by playing for Gerrard and the club. Fullbacks overcommitting? Rodger's fault. This brand of spin is a familiar one: it's the same variety that Liverpool fans used to slate Sterling, the same one Mourinho used to justify selling off Mata, the same one fans love to use against Wenger. There was so many jobs that he did well, the reason you noticed the **** ups is because they were exceptions, not the general standard of his term.

No one is saying that he wasn't naive in areas or that he didn't make mistakes. The thing that lots of Liverpool fans like to do is to create a seemingly measured assessment of the man, the trick being that the values that going into it have all been through a spin cycle first. Rather than crediting Rodgers for what he did do fairly, all his achievements are downplayed, so when it's "analysed" the result is a negative one.

It makes sense at face value, but go beneath the surface and there are clear flaws. It never for a minute stops to think that maybe without Rodgers, you wouldn't have been such a potent attacking force or that if he had opted for a less swashbuckling style, you wouldn't have scored many of those goals in the first place. Saying that you would have won it if you'd had the same attack but a better defense doesn't make any sense because it completely disregards the fact that football is a team game that's heavily dependant on balance.

The original point, which wasn't misconstrued, though is that you named lack of belief in the manager as one of the 3 reasons why you didn't win it, which is nonsense.

I get that you guys are full of hope, which is cool and I'm happy for you, but it's possible to be hopeful about a new arrival without tearing down the last one.
 
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Can we just please move on from rodgers and just get behind our new man. Jheez I whine the most about rodgers and I find this all tedious.
 
I'm not confused about anything. You realise I'm a match analyst right? I do this for a living, and without trying to be arrogant, I'm really rather good at it. Lack of chances and lack of goals is absolutely what you have to taken into consideration.

Actually he would have needed them to be organised AND scoring the tonne of goals they did that season.

I've heard about your professional career Mike.

Meanwhile I work part-time at Sports Direct on a 0 hour contract and minimum wage to afford my student rent. Eating 20p noodles for breakfast lunch and tea scraping along life while working towards completing my degree.

Not to mention paying over £30 to see Liverpool face European giants Rubin Kazan.
 
I've heard about your professional career Mike.

Meanwhile I work part-time at Sports Direct on a 0 hour contract and minimum wage to afford my student rent. Eating 20p noodles for breakfast lunch and tea scraping along life while working towards completing my degree.

Not to mention paying over £30 to see Liverpool face European giants Rubin Kazan.

Feel the student pain, just started my second degree and whilst working nights have to go to uni its ******* **** when I do the night shift then go straight to uni, the job is not taxing but staying awake is they still have not sorted my bursary either tossers.
 
I've heard about your professional career Mike.

Meanwhile I work part-time at Sports Direct on a 0 hour contract and minimum wage to afford my student rent. Eating 20p noodles for breakfast lunch and tea scraping along life while working towards completing my degree.

Not to mention paying over £30 to see Liverpool face European giants Rubin Kazan.

Feel the student pain, just started my second degree and whilst working nights have to go to uni its ******* **** when I do the night shift then go straight to uni, the job is not taxing but staying awake is they still have not sorted my bursary either tossers.

I remember the student life well. Can't say I miss it. Hang in there gents.
 
Feel the student pain, just started my second degree and whilst working nights have to go to uni its ******* **** when I do the night shift then go straight to uni, the job is not taxing but staying awake is they still have not sorted my bursary either tossers.

Sounds tough mate. What is your first and second degrees in?


I remember the student life well. Can't say I miss it. Hang in there gents.

I know how to PM in 3 years for a graduate job. ;)
 
..... The original point, which wasn't misconstrued, though is that you named lack of belief in the manager as one of the 3 reasons why you didn't win it, which is nonsense.....

In response to this .....

And that is the point. If Rodgers had the team working as hard for him and being as organised and defending as well as that as a team he'd not only of still been in a job, he'd of won a league title.

Don't confuse lack of chances/ goals for Sat'day not being an excellent first outing from a manager with three days training ground work and a slew of major injury's. The difference between he and Rodgers was markable. We've not looked as organised in a 4 or defended as well as a team since Rafa.

You completely misconstrued that. In large part down to my wording for which I apologise. I was making the distinction between Saturday's performance and what went before as you well know. And you also fully know, as we've had the discussion previous, that the ' ..... and being as organised and defending as a team' was related to 2013/14 and a title he'd of won if he'd done any of that. You just chose to band it all together on 2013/14.

As for that season, it's been done ad-nauseum. If you continue to choose to dismiss the major difference maker Suarez was upon his return to a team that coming off a home loss that had struggled through the first 4 (wonder what happened to this great managerial 'inspiration' there?) then that's your prerogative. (The similar way he transformed Barcelona's season last year upon his return from the ban. Or was that all Enrique too?). He had a career year that elevated everyone way more than anyone else's influence on that side. Rodgers, Gerrard or anyone else you care to mention. The attack, with Sturridge fit and working brilliantly with him and Sterling playing off the extra space created by Luis the second half of the year took care of itself. ALL he had to do was have any semblance of a defence and he'd be sat up there with Shankly, Paisley and Dalglish as a legend who finally brought home number 19.

Again, credit him for being the manager of arguably the 6th best squad going in and coming within a game of the title. But he was equally at fault as to why it ultimately ended fruitless.

And that season was the exception to the norm as it was one continuous ****-up from a man that should never of been appointed to start with.

But that's past and you're gonna' think what you like. The same with Sterling. So carry on unabated and we'll leave it at that.
 
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Sounds tough mate. What is your first and second degrees in?




I know how to PM in 3 years for a graduate job. ;)

First Degree was in Psychology which is essentially ******* useless where I live, I have just started a degree in Learning Disability Nursing, its probably the least clinical of the nursing degrees and the most flexible, the upside and downside is one in the same all day with 300 females;) . What are you studying?
 
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