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Arsenal and city are the benchmark and with the money we have spent we should be closer to them but no point in crying over spilt milk. In the case of players such as clyne etc... its hard to explain because majority of people who watch football are ball watchers. So theres no point in trying to change your mind if you havent watch clyne properly and if you did you would know that he is **** poor going forward to the point were klopp himself is screaming at him many times to support the play, he also gets caught out way to many times and lastly cant cross to save his life. Only plus is he is young and he can work on the weaknesses of his game. Hopefully a fully fit Flanno can push him to improve.

You're not going to get anything from Flanagan going forward mate. (If he ever fully recovers to play at this level.). He's more defensive minded than Clyne and doesn't have the pace for it. The one knock on him.

Clyne attack wise is funny. He attacks well as a traditional FB. (Although his crossing does leave a lot to be desired at times it's true.). But he's useless at it when he's asked to be more of a wing back. Weird conundrum. He's also not helped out much by often having nothing in front of him the right when he strides upfield. Defensively (back post crosses exploiting his lack of height excepted) I think he's been sound and far better than Moreno. (I also think that plays into Lovren looking far more solid now he's playing the right side of the centre backs and has Clynes security as opposed to Moreno being caught in attack like he almost always was under Rodgers when Lovren was all over the place.)

I get the frustration but i wouldn't be too quick to move on there at all personally.
 
Lets not forget the obvious here that Klopp has walked in mid-season to a team that belongs to the previous manager, he is essentially working with Rodgers players and trying to get them instilled into his way of thinking whilst the season is underway.

Klopp needs to be judged once he has put his stamp on the team with his own players that he brings in, starting from January transfer window. But honestly no one will see the full Klopp effect until start of next season.
 
Arsenal and city are the benchmark and with the money we have spent we should be closer to them but no point in crying over spilt milk. In the case of players such as clyne etc... its hard to explain because majority of people who watch football are ball watchers. So theres no point in trying to change your mind if you havent watch clyne properly. If you did you would know that he is **** poor going forward to the point were klopp himself is screaming at him many times to support the play. He also gets caught out way to many times and lastly cant cross to save his life. Only plus is he is young and he can work on the weaknesses of his game. Hopefully a fully fit Flanno can push him to improve.

Money spent is only scratching the surface. The fact we lose a star player almost every summer or two means we would have to sign star players to replace them nearly every year, which doesn't happen. If it did every big money signing would be a success.

I remember fans crying out for a full-back who was decent at defending after Johnson, and now most of those are frustrated because Clyne does not attack in the same way
 
Clyne is just about the least of our worries, can hardly believe this is a discussion!

Disappointed that Benteke seems to be proving me right. Really hope Sinclair gets a chance in the FA Cup at least, and if so, that he grabs it
 
Clyne is just about the least of our worries, can hardly believe this is a discussion!

Disappointed that Benteke seems to be proving me right. Really hope Sinclair gets a chance in the FA Cup at least, and if so, that he grabs it

Given the misguided young man has gone appointed Adie frigging Ward as his agent, not holding out much of any hope we'll get a deal done before he's up the summer.

Completely agree on Clyne, And sadly me too on Benteke. SO frustrating as he can be a beast when he fully applies himself. Just getting that out of him is the problem. Much more and he'll be a one year and done flop. Talking of (and related to Exeter) I hope we persevere with Firmino next year and it's just the first season/ new league/ Country thing. He's flashed that he can be a real talent so I'd give him year two to really show it. And Exeter (STILL wholly ****** that's a Friday night! Frigging BBC!) now becomes tricky. As much as that looked the one to rest players, the front players probably need to play to try get some form and confidence. I can see one or both FB's and a centre half being rested. Maybe even Mingolet. But the likes of the Brazilians and Benteke will probably be out there in the hope it kick starts their season.
 
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Money spent is only scratching the surface. The fact we lose a star player almost every summer or two means we would have to sign star players to replace them nearly every year, which doesn't happen. If it did every big money signing would be a success.

I remember fans crying out for a full-back who was decent at defending after Johnson, and now most of those are frustrated because Clyne does not attack in the same way
If only Clyne was decent at defending...
 
If only Clyne was decent at defending...

Boys. Play nice and stop narking at each other will yers.

The only real impending issue at FB is FB depth. Far more pressing needs to attend to before any discussion on Clyne.

We confident he'll get a reaction Tuesday? Really don't want to be coming away chasing a lead.
 
Boys. Play nice and stop narking at each other will yers.

The only real impending issue at FB is FB depth. Far more pressing needs to attend to before any discussion on Clyne.

We confident he'll get a reaction Tuesday? Really don't want to be coming away chasing a lead.

I fully admit i am quite negative at the moment so it probably wont mean much... But i'm not too confident going into any game at the moment

I am just hoping that at some point in the future our attacking players actually do something. Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Ibe (not much game time admittedly) just haven't done enough recently
 
I fully admit i am quite negative at the moment so it probably wont mean much... But i'm not too confident going into any game at the moment

I am just hoping that at some point in the future our attacking players actually do something. Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana, Ibe (not much game time admittedly) just haven't done enough recently

Let's not go getting silly now. I was only asking to not come back behind. Not that kind of crazy optimism haha!
 
Lets not forget the obvious here that Klopp has walked in mid-season to a team that belongs to the previous manager, he is essentially working with Rodgers players and trying to get them instilled into his way of thinking whilst the season is underway.

Klopp needs to be judged once he has put his stamp on the team with his own players that he brings in, starting from January transfer window. But honestly no one will see the full Klopp effect until start of next season.

Absolutely. It's going to take time to fully ingrane what he requires into them so they do it as a team like Dortmund instead of in drips and drabs. And within that he's having to battle a whole ingrained mindset from the previous regime that they keep falling back into.

It's all going to take time and we knew there'd be plenty of downs along the way.

But it still doesn't excuse the very worrying, inexcusable trend the last month of a poor work ethic. Nothing is going to get fully implemented with this group if they can't motivate themselves to give what shouldn't be in question.
 
Believe it or not, If we have a fully fit squad i'm very positive about us moving forward - that just seems hard to achieve that at the moment

our squad is so paper-thin because of poor investment that as soon as a few players get injured we crumble. Henderson was hugely missed today, and had the likes of Sturridge/Ings/Gomez/Flanagan been available we would have obviously improved further.....

I think that's worth remembering (and what I see Klopp thinking), this window.

The first three in particular would doubtless of played a massive part in things this year had they not been injured. Daniel goes without saying. Ings looks the perfect Klopp player. Fantastic workrate and end product. And Gomez had a whirlwind start to his young top flight career before the season was cruelly taken from him. I expect him to be in the centre back rotation next year, but if not there he'd surely of gotten game time at either FB slot this year where we've basically had to run with 2 guys consistently. Add the developing Can (who still has a LONG way to go for me despite flashing his undoubted potential but that's for another discussion), Ibe, Origi and (hopefully, if he ever fully recovers to play at this level again) Flanagan; along with maybe the returning Markovic and Wisdom next year and one or two others like Rossiter; and you've got a good young crop he'll doubtless relish trying to develop. And you can throw the new Serb Grujic in that group as he'll be just 20 with a mere one season of Serbian top flight football under his belt when he arrives.

What we don't want to be doing (and I don't believe we will. Gut feeling), is signing say an experienced guy who's better than what we currently have to see us through this year, but not the ideal first XI player going forward; who will doubtless be on a 2/3 year deal at good money. And as such will be another potential block in the development on one of those youngsters mentioned above from next summer. We definitely need to be balancing up the 'here and now' with the overall bigger picture of the long term build.

As regards January targets, I don't know about specific names, but we most certainly need as a priority for me 'keeper, centre back and a mobile, better quality defensive midfielder who knows the position and is a step up from Lucas. With FB depth next on the agenda. If we had a reliable man between the sticks and a commanding centre back, along with a quality DM in front (Bender from Leverkusen maybe? Lucas I'd keep as a squad player. But he's not someone you want there every game. Not lest at home when we need to come out a lot more. Was this Mascherano still you'd have no fear. But Lucas .....); that would go a LONG way to giving us the stability back there to build on and let the attacking side get back it's confidence and flourish as they've flashed the ability to in spells.

I'm confident we won't be signing players just for the sake of it to fill out the squad though like we boneheadedly have right back to Rafa. They will have to be better than what we have, fit what he wants and requires from them; and not get in the way of long term development if they aren't going to be starters.

Here's a question ..... Benteke. Do we persevere? Or do we start planning for his departure next summer right now and (just throwing out a name for the sake of this) go big for someone of quality you may well get in January with no Europe at a struggling club like Lacazette? With Daniel's health issues, another top bracket striker into the mix along with Ings and Origi might not be a bad move. But is it too soon to write off Benteke? Yes, we overpaid for him. And yes, he's woefully under performed. But he's still our second biggest transfer ever so do we have to try make this one work?
 
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I think that's worth remembering (and what I see Klopp thinking), this window.

The first three in particular would doubtless of played a massive part in things this year had they not been injured. Daniel goes without saying. Ings looks the perfect Klopp player. Fantastic workrate and end product. And Gomez had a whirlwind start to his young top flight career before the season was cruelly taken from him. I expect him to be in the centre back rotation next year, but if not there he'd surely of gotten game time at either FB slot this year where we've basically had to run with 2 guys consistently. Add the developing Can (who still has a LONG way to go for me despite flashing his undoubted potential but that's for another discussion), Ibe, Origi and (hopefully, if he ever fully recovers to play at this level again) Flanagan; along with maybe the returning Markovic and Wisdom next year and one or two others like Rossiter; and you've got a good young crop he'll doubtless relish trying to develop. And you can throw the new Serb Grujic in that group as he'll be just 20 with a mere one season of Serbian top flight football under his belt when he arrives.

What we don't want to be doing (and I don't believe we will. Gut feeling), is signing say an experienced guy who's better than what we currently have to see us through this year, but not the ideal first XI player going forward; who will doubtless be on a 2/3 year deal at good money. And as such will be another potential block in the development on one of those youngsters mentioned above from next summer. We definitely need to be balancing up the 'here and now' with the overall bigger picture of the long term build.

As regards January targets, I don't know about specific names, but we most certainly need as a priority for me 'keeper, centre back and a mobile, better quality defensive midfielder who knows the position and is a step up from Lucas. With FB depth next on the agenda. If we had a reliable man between the sticks and a commanding centre back, along with a quality DM in front (Bender from Leverkusen maybe? Lucas I'd keep as a squad player. But he's not someone you want there every game. Not lest at home when we need to come out a lot more. Was this Mascherano still you'd have no fear. But Lucas .....); that would go a LONG way to giving us the stability back there to build on and let the attacking side get back it's confidence and flourish as they've flashed the ability to in spells.

I'm confident we won't be signing players just for the sake of it to fill out the squad though like we boneheadedly have right back to Rafa. They will have to be better than what we have, fit what he wants and requires from them; and not get in the way of long term development if they aren't going to be starters.

Here's a question ..... Benteke. Do we persevere? Or do we start planning for his departure next summer right now and (just throwing out a name for the sake of this) go big for someone of quality you may well get in January with no Europe at a struggling club like Lacazette? With Daniel's health issues, another top bracket striker into the mix along with Ings and Origi might not be a bad move. But is it too soon to write off Benteke? Yes, we overpaid for him. And yes, he's woefully under performed. But he's still our second biggest transfer ever so do we have to try make this one work?

I would much rather us strengthen in one or two positions than try to buy 6 or 7 and spread whatever budget we have on those.
Goalkeeper is a must (But unlikely to be looked at until the summer), and the likes of Ter Stegan, Butland, Horn or Karius seem linked the most.

In regard to Benteke I would most certainly keep. People keep comparing him to our previous flops but he has already outscored the majority of them in a dozen or so games.

He has not adapted very well and despite scoring some important goals his overall play has been disappointing. But I would say the players in behind him are particularly struggling at the moment as well, which certainly wont help him

Having said that, if somebody like Lacazette became available and realistic, it would be a no-brainer to pursue it
 
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I think that's a fair point about the lack of pretty much anything behind Benteke. He is woefully isolated of late. But he just gives the impression if it isn't on a plate for him, he's not moving his **** to make it so. When he goes up for a header for example, he should be taking the man, ball and everything into the goal the size and power of him. But he just doesn't seem to have that desire. Ironically, , although he's not half as talented, what Carroll showed again yesterday. That drive is either in you or it isn't. And even after he openly said he'd had his heart to heart, 'man' talk with Klopp and realises what's expected of him, we just haven't seen it. His goals record is better than most recent newbies as you mentioned. But his overall play should be so much better and more dominating for the talent he has if he just fully applied himself.

I guess what I'm more saying is if the manager has decided now that he isn't going to work and do what he requires, then the fee shouldn't be an issue and we shouldn't worry about backing him on the basis of he knows best and he isn't his player to start with.
 
After the rent boys routed Palace and kept them within a game, here's now hoping Everton do us another favour and beat 'Spurs.

Hate scenario's like this.
 
After the rent boys routed Palace and kept them within a game, here's now hoping Everton do us another favour and beat 'Spurs.

Hate scenario's like this.

We ain't finishing top four mate. We're just not good enough. Far too many holes in our squad and team
 
Finished 1-1. Take that. Keeps it at a very manageable 2 game gap. (Well, 3 taking GD into account.). With Tottenham to play at home still.

Just need to sort our own **** out now before Arsenal a week Wednesday haha. Which is easier said than done as I can't see where our next goal is currently coming from. Let alone win.

But in Klopp we trust!
 
Heavy rumours here in Poland that you're going for some youngster goalkeeper.
 
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