Like I said a few weeks back. Clubs rarely if ever lie to local journalists. United, bayern, Liverpool all saying watching but not interested.
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Like I said a few weeks back. Clubs rarely if ever lie to local journalists. United, bayern, Liverpool all saying watching but not interested.
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Your first mistake was forgetting the absolute lunatics that hangout on social media don't represent any kind of actual reality mate.
It is utterly mad like how quickly people are disregarding not only one of, if not the single best L'pool squad of all time (Certainly the most complete squad I've ever had the privilege of watching in nigh on 4 decades the match), and the best side in all of Europe to boot, SO quickly, just because they're fuming at not getting what they want. And a squad that's already stronger than last season by both returning addition and the experience of everything they achieved and proved to themselves last season.
Nothing as queer as folk and all that.
Ignore the background noise d and continuing basking in #6. A week tomorrow we set again with our first chance of 7 pieces of silverware this coming season.
Oh woe us!
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We've been more than interested in Pepe mate. But not at the ridiculous price Arsenal are reported to be paying. That's changed the landscape on that one.
That was always the general fee. 70-80m euros price. That has never deviated. Clubs knee around feb (Liverpool certainly did) became public knowledge in March. As such Liverpool monitored but were never paying it. I’ve genuinely had this said to me already from a Liverpool rep (we’re doing all sorts now for media with the season in full swing)
It just irks me lol reading the nonsense online like just stop for a minute and think why would a player albeit as excellent as Pepe is sign for us to be second fiddle to Salah when he can get PL wages at Arsenal and improve by getting more minutes. Ffs Klopp himself said the most important is keeping this group together and growing as a team together we have one or if not the most balanced squad in the whole of Europe all thats left is fine tuning.Your first mistake was forgetting the absolute lunatics that hangout on social media don't represent any kind of actual reality mate.
It is utterly mad like how quickly people are disregarding not only one of, if not the single best L'pool squad of all time (Certainly the most complete squad I've ever had the privilege of watching in nigh on 4 decades the match), and the best side in all of Europe to boot, SO quickly, just because they're fuming at not getting what they want. And a squad that's already stronger than last season by both returning addition and the experience of everything they achieved and proved to themselves last season.
Nothing as queer as folk and all that.
Ignore the background noise d and continuing basking in #6. A week tomorrow we set again with our first chance of 7 pieces of silverware this coming season.
Oh woe us!
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Which was my point. What the general fee was and what we valued him at/ were quite prepared to wait it out through the window so that maybe Lille might get desperate and it fall, are, to us at least, two completely different things.
With a completely settled, young, squad all tied down we've no real need to add anyone outside of on our terms. Or they'll happily wait it out another window until everything falls right for them for the ones they want.
But there's been definite interest and contact on this one despite the denials.
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Welcome to #LFC, Harvey Elliott
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^^^^^ The summer of sound future proofing Europe’s best continues.
Welcome mate. Just look at Trent and Rhian for that open door to where you crave to be. But, as the manager brilliantly noted this pre-season, we only open it for you. YOU have to walk through it by yourself.
Work hard. Do exactly as your coaches ask. And your childhood dream to play for the Reds will be realised before too long.
Oh yeah, get the barbers and sort that show out! And lose the earings. This is Liverpool. Yers not a tart!
*Old **** me.
Welcome mate. Just look at Trent and Rhian for that open door to where you crave to be. But, as the manager brilliantly noted this pre-season, we only open it for you. YOU have to walk through it by yourself.
Work hard. Do exactly as your coaches ask. And your childhood dream to play for the Reds will be realised before too long.
Oh yeah, get the barbers and sort that show out! And lose the earings. This is Liverpool. Yers not a tart!
*Old **** me.
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Love that young Mr Elliott is straight into the group up in Edinburgh today and then out to France tomorrow for the week long camp in Evian where pre-season REALLY starts with the band all back together save for Sadio. Get him a taste of what's expected from the get-go to survive at the very top level with the standards we require.
Good to be back home after another really successful tour to the States ending in NY the other day with the draw against Sporting. Sidenote from that game- If that was Bruno Fernandes 'auditioning' in front of Klopp, he passed with flying colours! Everything Sporting do goes through him. Started the left but had licence to drift. Super playmaking and vision. Works hard defensively. Loves a mad web from outside the box. An all-round, top midfielder who fits what we do. Even with the caveat of it being a friendly, that was a real high energy, intelligent 82 minute display.
Enjoyable end to the tour that one with the tempo real high through out from both sides with a combination of the much cooler temperature in NY from the record heat in South Bend and Boston. And it helped we couldn't train the day before/ the morning as we do pre-season so lads legs weren't as leggy as they naturally have been the other two games. And the strongest available XI that went the longest. Things are really starting to get serious now.
Lot of plusses out of the States despite no wins. Both on the pitch from a fitness POV under the extreme conditions. With some good experience for the younger lads. Whilst all the work off it went down a storm yet again with our American friends. The BOSS gigs looked, well, boss with everyone packed in signing along with Webster. Pity about the Clyne injury and Sevilla deciding to tip up and try decapitate everything in a red shirt but all-in-all a beneficial 9 days.
As noted previously, its hard to really judge much of anything from the actual games with the lack of so many top players along with the intensity of the training in the heat tiring legs. The game is in effect just another training session. That said, a few things I took from it-
Origi. Man what confidence does for a lad huh? Really pleasing and noticeable how his movement in the box has improved. Adding a 6-yard-box poacher side to his game is most welcome.
Brewster. Kid belongs. Kid's on the path to be a genuine superstar.
Kent and Wilson. Sadly, they don't. Not at our level anyway. Sure they'll both have solid careers as both are tidy, exciting players. But we've moved on massively. They haven't. Similarly, Woodburn looked back to where he was but still a ways short of doing anything here. But he is younger so there's time yet.
Hoever/ Lewis/ Larouci. With the versatility of Milner and JMG in the short term, there's why we haven't panicked into buying specific FB cover. All stepped up great and didn't look out of place.
Mignolet. Is what he is. Some brilliant. Some the furthest thing from that. It's not like watching different players watching him and Alisson. It's like watching a completely different sport at times when the balls at his feet! But hey, I can live with him for another year whilst Kamil get's the experience nd hopefully continues his very promising development to date.
Oxo-Chambo. Slowly getting stronger as the weeks go on. Touch wood but that's a massive addition from last year right there.
Onto Edinburgh this tea-time and Napoli.
Good to be back home after another really successful tour to the States ending in NY the other day with the draw against Sporting. Sidenote from that game- If that was Bruno Fernandes 'auditioning' in front of Klopp, he passed with flying colours! Everything Sporting do goes through him. Started the left but had licence to drift. Super playmaking and vision. Works hard defensively. Loves a mad web from outside the box. An all-round, top midfielder who fits what we do. Even with the caveat of it being a friendly, that was a real high energy, intelligent 82 minute display.
Enjoyable end to the tour that one with the tempo real high through out from both sides with a combination of the much cooler temperature in NY from the record heat in South Bend and Boston. And it helped we couldn't train the day before/ the morning as we do pre-season so lads legs weren't as leggy as they naturally have been the other two games. And the strongest available XI that went the longest. Things are really starting to get serious now.
Lot of plusses out of the States despite no wins. Both on the pitch from a fitness POV under the extreme conditions. With some good experience for the younger lads. Whilst all the work off it went down a storm yet again with our American friends. The BOSS gigs looked, well, boss with everyone packed in signing along with Webster. Pity about the Clyne injury and Sevilla deciding to tip up and try decapitate everything in a red shirt but all-in-all a beneficial 9 days.
As noted previously, its hard to really judge much of anything from the actual games with the lack of so many top players along with the intensity of the training in the heat tiring legs. The game is in effect just another training session. That said, a few things I took from it-
Origi. Man what confidence does for a lad huh? Really pleasing and noticeable how his movement in the box has improved. Adding a 6-yard-box poacher side to his game is most welcome.
Brewster. Kid belongs. Kid's on the path to be a genuine superstar.
Kent and Wilson. Sadly, they don't. Not at our level anyway. Sure they'll both have solid careers as both are tidy, exciting players. But we've moved on massively. They haven't. Similarly, Woodburn looked back to where he was but still a ways short of doing anything here. But he is younger so there's time yet.
Hoever/ Lewis/ Larouci. With the versatility of Milner and JMG in the short term, there's why we haven't panicked into buying specific FB cover. All stepped up great and didn't look out of place.
Mignolet. Is what he is. Some brilliant. Some the furthest thing from that. It's not like watching different players watching him and Alisson. It's like watching a completely different sport at times when the balls at his feet! But hey, I can live with him for another year whilst Kamil get's the experience nd hopefully continues his very promising development to date.
Oxo-Chambo. Slowly getting stronger as the weeks go on. Touch wood but that's a massive addition from last year right there.
Onto Edinburgh this tea-time and Napoli.
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No wins in 4! 3 of those defeats! A 0-3 reverse to Napoli! BIN THEM ALL! GET YOUR HEAD OUT YER **** KLOPP AND MAKE SOME SIGNINGS OR WE WON'T EVEN MAKE THE TOP 4! FSG OUT! ..... The internet/ social media really is a great case study on the mentally insane getting SO bent out of shape with extended pre-season workouts.
Meanwhile in the rational, relaxed World .....
Well that was a boring, tedious exercise huh until the kids came on and livened up the last 30? Reminiscent of proper old-school pre-season kick-arounds where nobody was ever particularly arsed outside of getting back into shape. Which this pre-season is turning into as a whole results wise. We used to suffer some hilarious defeats at some proper ***** the friendlies back in the glory years through some of out greatest ever sides. But nobody was ever remotely arsed as you knew they'd get it right come opening day. Which, ultimately, is ALL that matters. Being at it next Sunday against City for the first of 7 chances of silverware this season. Loved Klopp joking after saying (paraphrasing) 'Well at least City won't have a clue what to expect as we don't have a ****** clue what we're doing right now.' Which pretty much summed today up so the less said on it the better.
Kudos to the youngsters again though.
Hoever looks a complete Dutch natural in a long line whichever side he plays. Totally unfazed at LB. It's like a younger version of JMG with his versatile competency to fill in right across the back 4. But with the added bonus of a proper attacking outlet going forward from FB.
Sepp looked very tidy on the ball again his 12 minutes in that aesthetically pleasing, elegant Dutch style they all seem to have. But not under any pressure defensively so not much more to add there.
Wilson continues his fine pre-season but I still don't see him being here if a high enough offer comes in before a week Thursday.
Brewster continues to shine and do all the right things.
And talk about Harvey Elliott living the dream! Liverpool fan. Liverpool player. Liverpool debutant at 16. And fearless with it. Very tidy little display to wet the intriguing appetite on him. The 23's have a very useful, quality addition while he continues to grow and develop by the looks of things.
So, 6 down, 1 left in Geneva Wednesday before we can put this pre-season to bed and get things up and running at Wembley next Sunday afternoon. With our pre-season properly starting tomorrow when they go out for a week of intense three-a-days in the seclusion of Evian with the return of the last 5 big names out of 6 left. Two of which, Keita and big Shaq, are already back in training apparently.
Amongst all the doom and gloom of those who madly put serious stock on half-baked kick-arounds in the summer, it's starting to come together now the bands all but back together.
Roll on the CS!
Meanwhile in the rational, relaxed World .....
Well that was a boring, tedious exercise huh until the kids came on and livened up the last 30? Reminiscent of proper old-school pre-season kick-arounds where nobody was ever particularly arsed outside of getting back into shape. Which this pre-season is turning into as a whole results wise. We used to suffer some hilarious defeats at some proper ***** the friendlies back in the glory years through some of out greatest ever sides. But nobody was ever remotely arsed as you knew they'd get it right come opening day. Which, ultimately, is ALL that matters. Being at it next Sunday against City for the first of 7 chances of silverware this season. Loved Klopp joking after saying (paraphrasing) 'Well at least City won't have a clue what to expect as we don't have a ****** clue what we're doing right now.' Which pretty much summed today up so the less said on it the better.
Kudos to the youngsters again though.
Hoever looks a complete Dutch natural in a long line whichever side he plays. Totally unfazed at LB. It's like a younger version of JMG with his versatile competency to fill in right across the back 4. But with the added bonus of a proper attacking outlet going forward from FB.
Sepp looked very tidy on the ball again his 12 minutes in that aesthetically pleasing, elegant Dutch style they all seem to have. But not under any pressure defensively so not much more to add there.
Wilson continues his fine pre-season but I still don't see him being here if a high enough offer comes in before a week Thursday.
Brewster continues to shine and do all the right things.
And talk about Harvey Elliott living the dream! Liverpool fan. Liverpool player. Liverpool debutant at 16. And fearless with it. Very tidy little display to wet the intriguing appetite on him. The 23's have a very useful, quality addition while he continues to grow and develop by the looks of things.
So, 6 down, 1 left in Geneva Wednesday before we can put this pre-season to bed and get things up and running at Wembley next Sunday afternoon. With our pre-season properly starting tomorrow when they go out for a week of intense three-a-days in the seclusion of Evian with the return of the last 5 big names out of 6 left. Two of which, Keita and big Shaq, are already back in training apparently.
Amongst all the doom and gloom of those who madly put serious stock on half-baked kick-arounds in the summer, it's starting to come together now the bands all but back together.
Roll on the CS!
Pre-season is about fitness and for young players to showcase their talents and prove themselves. I've said it before i dont even bother watching pre season games only catching the highlights here and there after Voronin fooled me into thinking he was going to be world class for us...
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I'm the same.
One of my nephews thinks United are going to be scrapping for the title this season, due to the results so far XD
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Well that was a belter performance to put pre-season to bed. Funny how when the band's all but back together, along with reasonable temperatures and next to no travelling, everything goes up a couple of levels and L'pool start looking somewhat like the best side in Europe again huh?
Alisson getting an hour back at it, along with Mo and Nabby a half and big Shaq and Bobby, back with a quality goal, getting a good half hour was just the tonic before the big kick-off Sunday. All looking like they'd never been away and not just returned this past Monday. Lallana throwing the fitness concerns of everyone who ridiculously jumped on him for a dead-leg, that cost him a mere one game this pre-season, back in their reactionary faces with another highly assured display as a controlling, play-making #6. In certain games this year he's looking like a cracking option in this new role for him. As always, you caveat it with 'it's just another training session that happens to be a friendly game.' But the real pleasing aspect was the intensity, pressing and creative, inventive one/ two touch football never dropped for the whole 90 after a shaky first 10. Even with a completely new team on the hour.
All the kids doing themselves no harm again. Particularly Hoever, who celebrated his first pro-contract today at 17-years-of-age with another real mature outing:358760-ki-jana-hoever-signs-new-long-term-liverpool-fc-contract (What a year that young man has had BTW Stolen from Ajax. then a rapid rate of standout progress from the 18's through the 23's to being our third youngest debutant at 16 back in January the Cup at Wolves.). I have little doubt he'll be the de-facto back-up to Trent not long into this season at this rate. If he isn't already. Allowing JMG to resume the best CH partnership across Europe before too much longer. (I'd figure on Matip starting the year as a reward for the second half of last season and continuity. But he's got a serious fight to remain there with Joe's imperious form all summer.). The future-proofing back there with him and Sepp ..... Oranje is DEFO the way forward.
Talking of the future, just how in the heck have Fulham managed to keep Harvey Elliott under wraps? 16-years-old, and playing with absolutely NO fear for the European Champions. Looking like a natural at his boyhood club. (https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/...ott-posts-brilliant-throwback-photo-as-a-kid/). No wonder Fulham are pushing for a record tribunal fee for this hidden gem. One touch passing. Beating 3/4 lads at a time. Intelligent decision making/ movement. Rapid ..... At 16? In that environment? ****** ****!!!!! ..... Just stunned I don't even remember Harvey become the PL's youngest ever debutant last season as he looks to have a limitless ceiling. Ridiculous half hour to go along with what he showed Sunday when he came on. No wonder they've got him straight into training at Melwood with the first team like van den Berg.
Special mention to Larouci playing again. And playing well both ends of the park again. A mere 10 days after the brutal assault on him by Sevilla. That was great to see and thank the Lord for him getting lucky there. And a belter of a 30-yard goal for the continually perplexing, if highly talented, Harry Wilson. Still expecting someone to meet the £25 million valuation before next Thursday's deadline and him to move on. Still don't think he's good enough for the very top level L'pool are now at. But man alive all he does, no matter how quiet he is in games, like this evening against Lyon, is score and assist. A real paradox that one.
Two more days intense three a-day's in South-East France and then we can put a nail totally in pre-season 2019. That's seen a lot of positives along with some 'meh' games and results.
Then the proper stuff starts in earnest with what should be a real competitive CS between two managers who won't want to lose face to each other. With a real chance to put down a marker, against the other team, for the only two clubs with any realistic ambition in this league again the coming season.
Oh yeah, and the small matter of our first chance of 7 this season to win silverware.
Roll on Sunday. Europes best are ticking over nicely for the season opener.
Can. Not. WAIT!
Alisson getting an hour back at it, along with Mo and Nabby a half and big Shaq and Bobby, back with a quality goal, getting a good half hour was just the tonic before the big kick-off Sunday. All looking like they'd never been away and not just returned this past Monday. Lallana throwing the fitness concerns of everyone who ridiculously jumped on him for a dead-leg, that cost him a mere one game this pre-season, back in their reactionary faces with another highly assured display as a controlling, play-making #6. In certain games this year he's looking like a cracking option in this new role for him. As always, you caveat it with 'it's just another training session that happens to be a friendly game.' But the real pleasing aspect was the intensity, pressing and creative, inventive one/ two touch football never dropped for the whole 90 after a shaky first 10. Even with a completely new team on the hour.
All the kids doing themselves no harm again. Particularly Hoever, who celebrated his first pro-contract today at 17-years-of-age with another real mature outing:358760-ki-jana-hoever-signs-new-long-term-liverpool-fc-contract (What a year that young man has had BTW Stolen from Ajax. then a rapid rate of standout progress from the 18's through the 23's to being our third youngest debutant at 16 back in January the Cup at Wolves.). I have little doubt he'll be the de-facto back-up to Trent not long into this season at this rate. If he isn't already. Allowing JMG to resume the best CH partnership across Europe before too much longer. (I'd figure on Matip starting the year as a reward for the second half of last season and continuity. But he's got a serious fight to remain there with Joe's imperious form all summer.). The future-proofing back there with him and Sepp ..... Oranje is DEFO the way forward.
Talking of the future, just how in the heck have Fulham managed to keep Harvey Elliott under wraps? 16-years-old, and playing with absolutely NO fear for the European Champions. Looking like a natural at his boyhood club. (https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/...ott-posts-brilliant-throwback-photo-as-a-kid/). No wonder Fulham are pushing for a record tribunal fee for this hidden gem. One touch passing. Beating 3/4 lads at a time. Intelligent decision making/ movement. Rapid ..... At 16? In that environment? ****** ****!!!!! ..... Just stunned I don't even remember Harvey become the PL's youngest ever debutant last season as he looks to have a limitless ceiling. Ridiculous half hour to go along with what he showed Sunday when he came on. No wonder they've got him straight into training at Melwood with the first team like van den Berg.
Special mention to Larouci playing again. And playing well both ends of the park again. A mere 10 days after the brutal assault on him by Sevilla. That was great to see and thank the Lord for him getting lucky there. And a belter of a 30-yard goal for the continually perplexing, if highly talented, Harry Wilson. Still expecting someone to meet the £25 million valuation before next Thursday's deadline and him to move on. Still don't think he's good enough for the very top level L'pool are now at. But man alive all he does, no matter how quiet he is in games, like this evening against Lyon, is score and assist. A real paradox that one.
Two more days intense three a-day's in South-East France and then we can put a nail totally in pre-season 2019. That's seen a lot of positives along with some 'meh' games and results.
Then the proper stuff starts in earnest with what should be a real competitive CS between two managers who won't want to lose face to each other. With a real chance to put down a marker, against the other team, for the only two clubs with any realistic ambition in this league again the coming season.
Oh yeah, and the small matter of our first chance of 7 this season to win silverware.
Roll on Sunday. Europes best are ticking over nicely for the season opener.
Can. Not. WAIT!
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The future is most definitely Oranje!
https://twitter.com/MaddockMirror/status/1156625224613486592
Why the best young talent across Europe wants to come here. That open pathway if you're good enough to grasp it with both hands.
We open that first-team door whatever your age ..... The very best ones will walk though it by themselves.
https://twitter.com/MaddockMirror/status/1156625224613486592
Why the best young talent across Europe wants to come here. That open pathway if you're good enough to grasp it with both hands.
We open that first-team door whatever your age ..... The very best ones will walk though it by themselves.
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Oh Sky can F right off!!!!!
United- L'pool at half 5 Saturday tea-time. Just what nobody needs getting in and out of there peacefully after everyones had all day on the ale!
United- L'pool at half 5 Saturday tea-time. Just what nobody needs getting in and out of there peacefully after everyones had all day on the ale!
Dont they usually kick off big games like that at lunch time as its less likely for people to be drinking?
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Yeah. Very surprised GMP have sanctioned that. Although they did it a few years ago Rodgers last season. (Martial debut and Tyler having an on air ******/ Benteke scissor-kick volley belter consolation.).
All that said. Europe will probably flip it to the Sunday.
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What a glorious day to open the 2019/20 top flight English season. The way opening days always used to be with the sun cracking the flags. Defo shorts and sunnies day today.
And what a glorious way to start for once with the two sides head and shoulders above anything else in England (I'm hesitant to say 'Europe' until City actually start winning knock-out games of European football. ), contesting the 97th version of the FA Community Shield.
Fully expecting a highly competitive game with both sides wanting to lay down an early marker on the other for the season ahead. I love that City have been running with the slogan 'READY FOR THIS DEFENDING THE FA COMMUNITY SHIELD' all week. With Pep as hungry as ever to add as much silverware as possible. ****, they run the end of last season with the quadruple which included the CS. I had to laugh when Klopp was really taken aback when it was put to him the presser that it's just another 'friendly' ...... Why bother playing the game indeed mate if that's the case. Utterly mad to me the POV of some, admittedly of this Sky generation, L'pool fans who aren't arsed about today. This is our first CS since 2006. In CARDIFF! Which just shows how the trophy drought has been. One would think they'd want to see the Reds have the chance to pick up any silverware! And as Paisley always used to succinctly say, it's an honour to be in games like the CS and SC as it's a reward for how successful you were the previous year. That always used to be the aim. To start the following season with a day out at Wembley and a chance for early silverware and momentum over invariably a rival as it meant you'd invariably one either League or Cup the previous year.
Great to finally have the proper business back and a proper contest between two teams with next to nottin separating them again as we get set for what will doubtless be another titanic struggle between the two this season.
9 months, 1 day after Madrid we get the chance to make more memories we've this superb gang of Reds. (And a week Wednesday we could be looking at seeing them lift a third trophy in 3 months. That'd be something huh?).
Roll on 3 PM and getting up and running.
This one matters!
Up the trophy hunting Reds!
And what a glorious way to start for once with the two sides head and shoulders above anything else in England (I'm hesitant to say 'Europe' until City actually start winning knock-out games of European football.
), contesting the 97th version of the FA Community Shield. Fully expecting a highly competitive game with both sides wanting to lay down an early marker on the other for the season ahead. I love that City have been running with the slogan 'READY FOR THIS DEFENDING THE FA COMMUNITY SHIELD' all week. With Pep as hungry as ever to add as much silverware as possible. ****, they run the end of last season with the quadruple which included the CS. I had to laugh when Klopp was really taken aback when it was put to him the presser that it's just another 'friendly' ...... Why bother playing the game indeed mate if that's the case. Utterly mad to me the POV of some, admittedly of this Sky generation, L'pool fans who aren't arsed about today. This is our first CS since 2006. In CARDIFF! Which just shows how the trophy drought has been. One would think they'd want to see the Reds have the chance to pick up any silverware! And as Paisley always used to succinctly say, it's an honour to be in games like the CS and SC as it's a reward for how successful you were the previous year. That always used to be the aim. To start the following season with a day out at Wembley and a chance for early silverware and momentum over invariably a rival as it meant you'd invariably one either League or Cup the previous year.
Great to finally have the proper business back and a proper contest between two teams with next to nottin separating them again as we get set for what will doubtless be another titanic struggle between the two this season.
9 months, 1 day after Madrid we get the chance to make more memories we've this superb gang of Reds. (And a week Wednesday we could be looking at seeing them lift a third trophy in 3 months. That'd be something huh?).
Roll on 3 PM and getting up and running.
This one matters!
Up the trophy hunting Reds!
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