The Liverpool Thread

[CJACKO11]

Interesting analysis from Neville and Carragher. They're being pretty critical of Liverpool's approach and Rodger's tactics.

Some of it is pretty silly though. Like they moan about the unprepared long shots and too much crosses. Apparently you should have just played tika-taka and wait for an opening. Except that's exactly what Bayern did and they also broke their teeth on Chelsea-bus.

You'd think two former defenders would have more praise for the resilience of Chelsea defense and admit there's simply no foolproof way to break it down. Bayern, City, Barca, basically the best attacking teams in the world, are almost helpless when facing JT and the gang. Last couple of years they've pulled off some of the best defensive displays I've ever witnessed, and I'm a lifelong Milan fan, so I've seen decent defender or two.

Instead of simply saying that, moan about wrong attacking tactics. Silly.

[video=youtube;TdmxV-7QvJ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdmxV-7QvJ8[/video]

As much as i agree with you there are ways to break this side down but the defeat is 100% on Rodgers's shoulder. If Rodgers is not willing to get a target man (which he had in Carroll) and use a plan B then you won't break teams down like Chelsea. Barca have the same problem and now Bayern do too.

 

[Alcaraz]

Nice to see the Chelsea fans be something other than massively negative and depressed about their season.

Remind me when Chelsea fans were ever depressed about their season? Most were very positive actually and got jumped on for being so happy despite the llikes prospect of us finishing this season with 0 trophies

 

[Alcaraz]

Chelsea fans are like they won the league in anfield.

But wait you didn't and most likely you won't.

Tapatalked

And we massively dented Liverpools chance of winning it ... That's good enough for me

 

[Tyton]

As much as i agree with you there are ways to break this side down but the defeat is 100% on Rodgers's shoulder. If Rodgers is not willing to get a target man (which he had in Carroll) and use a plan B then you won't break teams down like Chelsea. Barca have the same problem and now Bayern do too.

Even Caroll would struggle to connect with the crosses against 3 center backs.

 

[CJACKO11]

Even Caroll would struggle to connect with the crosses against 3 center backs.

Agree he would struggle but he would have caused more problems than the likes of Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho in the air. Not even when Liverpool needed a goal late on did he push someone like Skrtel upfront just for the aerial threat, in my opinion just pure stubborness by Rodgers and this defeat is 100% down to him not the players.

 

[DannyLFC1892]

Interesting analysis from Neville and Carragher. They're being pretty critical of Liverpool's approach and Rodger's tactics.

Some of it is pretty silly though. Like they moan about the unprepared long shots and too much crosses. Apparently you should have just played tika-taka and wait for an opening. Except that's exactly what Bayern did and they also broke their teeth on Chelsea-bus.

You'd think two former defenders would have more praise for the resilience of Chelsea defense and admit there's simply no foolproof way to break it down. Bayern, City, Barca, basically the best attacking teams in the world, are almost helpless when facing JT and the gang. Last couple of years they've pulled off some of the best defensive displays I've ever witnessed, and I'm a lifelong Milan fan, so I've seen decent defender or two.

Instead of simply saying that, moan about wrong attacking tactics. Silly.


[video=youtube;TdmxV-7QvJ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdmxV-7QvJ8[/video]

I agree there were far too many crosses being put into the box, and with the height of some of Chelsea's players compared to ours as well it was never going to happen. Same goes for long shots, there was too many again, they're far too organized and narrow at the back for anything to get through. There were a few occasions in the game when we were more patient on the ball and Suarez actually found a decent opening, and I think if we'd have spent more time trying to do that we would have been much more likely to get a goal. I think to play like we did on Sunday against Chelsea, we should have put Skrtel up front, at least towards the end of the game, and maybe then we could have gotten a result.

 

[CJACKO11]

I agree there were far too many crosses being put into the box, and with the height of some of Chelsea's players compared to ours as well it was never going to happen. Same goes for long shots, there was too many again, they're far too organized and narrow at the back for anything to get through. There were a few occasions in the game when we were more patient on the ball and Suarez actually found a decent opening, and I think if we'd have spent more time trying to do that we would have been much more likely to get a goal. I think to play like we did on Sunday against Chelsea, we should have put Skrtel up front, at least towards the end of the game, and maybe then we could have gotten a result.

Exactly what i just said mate. I just look back to Inter away at Barca when Jose was in charge semi final 2nd leg. Barca could not break them down despite Inter being down to 10 men. They push Pique upfront and he scored almost straight away.

 

[Tyton]

Agree he would struggle but he would have caused more problems than the likes of Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling and Coutinho in the air. Not even when Liverpool needed a goal late on did he push someone like Skrtel upfront just for the aerial threat, in my opinion just pure stubborness by Rodgers and this defeat is 100% down to him not the players.

Stuborness about what? Their entire team was on your half during second goal. What else was Rodgers supposed to do, run **** naked around the touchline to try and create a distraction?

 

[LFCMarshall]

Interesting analysis from Neville and Carragher. They're being pretty critical of Liverpool's approach and Rodger's tactics.

Some of it is pretty silly though. Like they moan about the unprepared long shots and too much crosses. Apparently you should have just played tika-taka and wait for an opening. Except that's exactly what Bayern did and they also broke their teeth on Chelsea-bus.

You'd think two former defenders would have more praise for the resilience of Chelsea defense and admit there's simply no foolproof way to break it down. Bayern, City, Barca, basically the best attacking teams in the world, are almost helpless when facing JT and the gang. Last couple of years they've pulled off some of the best defensive displays I've ever witnessed, and I'm a lifelong Milan fan, so I've seen decent defender or two.

Instead of simply saying that, moan about wrong attacking tactics. Silly.

[video=youtube;TdmxV-7QvJ8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdmxV-7QvJ8[/video]

The overreaction to Liverpool's failings have been ridiculous. Yes, Rodgers maybe could have changed tactics slightly but the credit needs to go to a fantastic Chelsea defensive performance

Also if it wasn't for a slip, Liverpool had a least the draw... Chelsea didn't look at all threatening until Liverpool had to chase the game

 

[LFCMarshall]

There have also been a lot of rumours the past few days that Lallana is almost certain to join LFC for a fee around 20mil and wages at roughly 70k a week

Would be a very good signing IMO but would have like to have paid slightly less if it proves to be true

 

[spook]

And we massively dented Liverpools chance of winning it ... That's good enough for me

With 120+ mil spend in the transfer market last year from Chelsea if you you are happy just from stopping use winning the league i am also happy with the progress made for my club with a lot less.

Tapatalked

 

[Mike.]

Stuborness about what? Their entire team was on your half during second goal. What else was Rodgers supposed to do, run **** naked around the touchline to try and create a distraction?

he was supposed to do nothing. all they needed was a draw.

 

[Subtle]

Some of it is pretty silly though. Like they moan about the unprepared long shots and too much crosses. Apparently you should have just played tika-taka and wait for an opening. Except that's exactly what Bayern did and they also broke their teeth on Chelsea-bus.

Those are both perfectly valid points though. Being reduced to speculative longshots and silly crosses from deep are the tell-tale signs of a side who is running out of ideas. Like Neville said, there's a way to play when you're chasing a deficit, which is with the composure that lets you pick the optimal path. He didn't advocate tiki taka, he said they should have been calm. Being calm and taking your time to pick the right pass isn't the same as tiki-taka. He never said that they should keep sterile possession and use it to strangle Chelsea out of the game, he criticised the way you kept trying things that obvious weren't working and didn't suit your playing style.

You'd think two former defenders would have more praise for the resilience of Chelsea defense and admit there's simply no foolproof way to break it down. Bayern, City, Barca, basically the best attacking teams in the world, are almost helpless when facing JT and the gang. Last couple of years they've pulled off some of the best defensive displays I've ever witnessed, and I'm a lifelong Milan fan, so I've seen a decent defender or two.

They praised Chelsea's defensive shape repeatedly, so I don't really understand your problem. A good tactician or coach doesn't just see an excellent piece of strategy and say: "well ****, that's really good isn't it? GG guys." They break it down and analyse it to see how it can potentially be beaten. That's exactly what they did with their commentary and honestly it's one of the best pieces of analysis I've seen on a major sports channel in a long time.

Instead of simply saying that, moan about wrong attacking tactics. Silly.

Your attacking tactics, for at least parts of the game, were wrong. Like Neville said, once you found that your initial barrage wasn't going to work, you got frustrated and started making bad decisions.

Valid, reasoned criticism isn't moaning, and these are kind of mistakes you will need to learn from.

 

[LFCMarshall]

he was supposed to do nothing. all they needed was a draw.

You cannot play for a draw... It may work on the odd occasion but if you play with a negative mindset the majority of the time it will not work, especially for a side like Liverpool who's weakest part is their defence

 

[Subtle]

You cannot play for a draw... It may work on the odd occasion but if you play with a negative mindset the majority of the time it will not work

Kind of funny to see you post this in response to a loss vs a manager who is renowned for playing for draws and tight 1-0's (and getting them consistently).

 

[Mike.]

You cannot play for a draw... It may work on the odd occasion but if you play with a negative mindset the majority of the time it will not work, especially for a side like Liverpool who's weakest part is their defence

Jose shows otherwise. Chelsea were never coming to play against you

 

[rephlex]

20m/70k pw is sadly cheap these days for an attacking midfielder who is 25 and in great form.

He's an England international and club captain too, I'd be happy seeing him at Arsenal with someone shipped off.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Kind of funny to see you post this in response to a loss vs a manager who is renowned for playing for draws and tight 1-0's (and getting them consistently).

Jose shows otherwise. Chelsea were never coming to play against you

We'll see come the end of the season as to how successful it will be for Jose, because if they win nothing perhaps a different approach would have helped

 

[Subtle]

We'll see come the end of the season as to how successful it will be for Jose, because if they win nothing perhaps a different approach would have helped

That's not really relevant though: our end of season result isn't going to be decided by our ability to play for draws/1-0's. So far this season it's been pretty successful and it's backfired twice that I can think of, which isn't bad considering how many points it's given.

 

[MANUMAD]

We'll see come the end of the season as to how successful it will be for Jose, because if they win nothing perhaps a different approach would have helped

Dont forget that basically Chelsea have been playing the whole season with -at most- very limited/past it cfs (of course Mourinho is guilty of spending on people like Van Ginkel/Salah/Willian instead of on a class cf ...
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