The Liverpool Thread

[LFCMarshall]

I suspect many peoples joy that Liverpool bottled it is mainly because of the media **** sucking coverage you have got this season mate. I genuinely cannot remember another side getting this much backing and so much dross written about them. I also think its very well known that Liverpool fans are known as unbearable winners and a whole season with them as Champions would have been a nightmare.

Although that is one of my reasons why i was so happy for the bottle job i have many other reasons alongside them.

Liverpool fans are no worse than every other club.. They have fans worse than others

Liverpool have had a lot of praise this season because what they have achieved has never even been close to being matched... They finished 7th last season and the net spend of Liverpool compared to the likes of Chelsea and City is minimal

Not to mention we are fielding alot of players who are English in which Rodgers has improved massively. The praise has been more than deserved. Winning the league or not, what Liverpool have done this season was not expected from anybody

 

[GodCubed]

Pleeeeease stop talking ****. Everyone talks **** on this forum nowadays.

They're selfishness and competitiveness with each other are what has made them so good this season. If you think you could get them scoring more then please, please, write Brendan a letter with your tips and analysis.

Sigh, you really didn't have to resort to "WELL IF YOU THINK YOU COULD DO BETTER" childishness. I'm not claiming to know the secret to unlocking their potential or somesuch bullshit, I was merely stating an observation.

Their competitiveness is one of their best attributes but it's also one of their worst. It's a double edged sword sharpened to a razor rim on either side. It's the reason why you consistently beat others by two or three and not the four or five City's selfless attack put past them. It's the reason why despite Liverpool's attack being the scariest in the league they didn't properly stick in the knife in. City, for example, pummeled Spurs into the ground at home and won 6-0. Liverpool got to 3-0 and then the strikers started doing their best Gimli vs Legolas impression.

Like I said, it's not a big issue, but these small issues can decide seasons. For all we know, perhaps this very issue decided this one.

Liverpool fans are no worse than every other club.. They have fans worse than others

Liverpool have had a lot of praise this season because what they have achieved has never even been close to being matched... They finished 7th last season and the net spend of Liverpool compared to the likes of Chelsea and City is minimal

Not to mention we are fielding alot of players who are English in which Rodgers has improved massively. The praise has been more than deserved. Winning the league or not, what Liverpool have done this season was not expected from anybody

Eh, both sides are right to some extent.

Punditry is horribly biased in favour of Liverpool - and always has been in favour of United, too - and even taking into account the great season the fawning comments of the media have worn a little thin. On the other hand, it really has been a great season, and Liverpool deserve almost all the plaudits they get.

 

[CJACKO11]

Liverpool fans are no worse than every other club.. They have fans worse than others

Liverpool have had a lot of praise this season because what they have achieved has never even been close to being matched... They finished 7th last season and the net spend of Liverpool compared to the likes of Chelsea and City is minimal

Not to mention we are fielding alot of players who are English in which Rodgers has improved massively. The praise has been more than deserved. Winning the league or not, what Liverpool have done this season was not expected from anybody

I think we will have to agree to dis-agree on the first point mate, except from my Portsmouth supporting mates (because they would have gotten 1million if you won it) i did not know anyone else who wanted Liverpool to win it. It was the media like they did when they made everyone believe Redknapp was everyones favourite for the England job who made us believe Liverpool was everyones second favourite side when it was not true.

On the net spend thing that means absolutely nothing to me as i pointed out not so long ago. Net spend is income + outgoings and when Chelsea sign a player for top money they usually keep that player were as Liverpool make a profit on players (Mascherano, Torres and Alonso made you 100million alone) so it has nothing to do with money you have actually spent because that is still quite high.

Did i expect Liverpool to finish top 3? No but i fully expected them to be fighting for 4th spot and improve. I also think Rodgers has done a very very good job and Liverpool have surprised no doubt about it but i do feel it was this season or not for the forseeable.

 

[Tezzz]

It's the reason why you consistently beat others by two or three and not the four or five City's selfless attack put past them. It's the reason why despite Liverpool's attack being the scariest in the league they didn't properly stick in the knife in. City, for example, pummeled Spurs into the ground at home and won 6-0. Liverpool got to 3-0 and then the strikers started doing their best Gimli vs Legolas impression.

You've effectively said our two strikers who have got us challenging for the title are to blame for us not winning the title.

 

[spook]

Look who is the only one smiling of those who played yesterday.

 

[Tezzz]

We need to invest in the defence and midfield this window. End of. If you think we need to prioritize improving our attack than you're a clown.

 

[Tezzz]

Look who is the only one smiling of those who played yesterday.

Knows he isn't getting a contract and off in the summer resulted in his half-arsed effort yesterday.

 

[Tezzz]

I think we will have to agree to dis-agree on the first point mate, except from my Portsmouth supporting mates (because they would have gotten 1million if you won it) i did not know anyone else who wanted Liverpool to win it. It was the media like they did when they made everyone believe Redknapp was everyones favourite for the England job who made us believe Liverpool was everyones second favourite side when it was not true.

Feel like I know everything about your portsmouth mates and I've never met the *******.

The media lied about everyone wanting 'arry to be the next england manager? Hmm, I'm sure we can dig up a forum poll to prove this wasn't just another 'media conspiracy'. Everybody wanted Redknapp. Mourinho's nailed into your head what he nailed into the madrid fans during his time at Spain with all this media conspiracy ****.

 

[TheFalse9]

So just to confirm, you think it's okay to just let easily winnable games slip out of the team's grasp, so long as your team scores a lot at other, meaningless times?

You're talking about extremes here, whereas I'm talking about a balance. Of course, take the shot if it's on, but Sturridge and Suarez often just start thinking about how many goals they could bag for themselves as opposed to the team and start taking shots when players are wide open. 52 goals this season could've and should've been more, that's how **** good this strike partnership is, but they need to be less selfish.



Quite aside from your defensive unit, if your attackers had worked better as a unit after going a couple of goals up in every game they did so then frankly these last few games might've taken on a whole different context. If Liverpool were even 6 goals better in GD than you were then you go 3-0 up against Palace and don't have to throw everyone forward and get caught on the counter. Goal difference is important, and next year with two-legged European ties it's going to be even more important.

I wasn't really giving this as a huge criticism, mind. It's just that it's pretty obvious what Liverpool need most desperately, so it's interesting to look at the smaller things that need improvement.

I think it's their selfishness and competitiveness which has made them so lethal, although that's just my opinion. Perhaps we could've done better with them being less selfish, but perhaps we would've done worse.

I think we will have to agree to dis-agree on the first point mate, except from my Portsmouth supporting mates (because they would have gotten 1million if you won it) i did not know anyone else who wanted Liverpool to win it. It was the media like they did when they made everyone believe Redknapp was everyones favourite for the England job who made us believe Liverpool was everyones second favourite side when it was not true.

On the net spend thing that means absolutely nothing to me as i pointed out not so long ago. Net spend is income + outgoings and when Chelsea sign a player for top money they usually keep that player were as Liverpool make a profit on players (Mascherano, Torres and Alonso made you 100million alone) so it has nothing to do with money you have actually spent because that is still quite high.

Did i expect Liverpool to finish top 3? No but i fully expected them to be fighting for 4th spot and improve. I also think Rodgers has done a very very good job and Liverpool have surprised no doubt about it but i do feel it was this season or not for the forseeable.

So the logical thing to do, when the media are telling lies, is to blame the club? And net spend (arguably) means a lot more than gross spend, since it's more difficult to be successful while selling your best players on for a profit (having spent a lot to buy them), than to spend a lot and be successful. You could say Wenger has had a much bigger gross spend than Sunderland over the last few years, but he probably hasn't had a much bigger net spend, which is why he's respected as a manager who can do well on a budget.

Did you honestly think we would be challenging for Top 4 this season? I accept it's your opinion, but I think most fans weren't expecting Europe, never mind Top 4. If you thought Chelsea and Liverpool would be both challenging for Top 4, and at the same level (at the start of the season), I'd find that difficult to believe.

 

[GodCubed]

You've effectively said our two strikers who have got us challenging for the title are to blame for us not winning the title.

...no I didn't. Jesus Christ, talk about a strawman.

 

[CJACKO11]

Feel like I know everything about your portsmouth mates and I've never met the *******.

The media lied about everyone wanting 'arry to be the next england manager? Hmm, I'm sure we can dig up a forum poll to prove this wasn't just another 'media conspiracy'. Everybody wanted Redknapp. Mourinho's nailed into your head what he nailed into the madrid fans during his time at Spain with all this media conspiracy ****.

I suspect you do lol.

Just after Hodgson got the job i listened to quite a few podcasts and a lot of them mentioned that online polls actually suggested people wanted Hodgson not Redknapp that's where i got the info from in the first place bud.

I think it's their selfishness and competitiveness which has made them so lethal, although that's just my opinion. Perhaps we could've done better with them being less selfish, but perhaps we would've done worse.


So the logical thing to do, when the media are telling lies, is to blame the club? And net spend (arguably) means a lot more than gross spend, since it's more difficult to be successful while selling your best players on for a profit (having spent a lot to buy them), than to spend a lot and be successful. You could say Wenger has had a much bigger gross spend than Sunderland over the last few years, but he probably hasn't had a much bigger net spend, which is why he's respected as a manager who can do well on a budget.

Did you honestly think we would be challenging for Top 4 this season? I accept it's your opinion, but I think most fans weren't expecting Europe, never mind Top 4. If you thought Chelsea and Liverpool would be both challenging for Top 4, and at the same level (at the start of the season), I'd find that difficult to believe.

As i said that isn't the reason why i despise Liverpool but i feel that's whats got on everyone else's nerves. Past times show Liverpool spend high and sell higher which is a good model but the reason they leave (like they do Arsenal) is because they want to win trophies. I believed they would be around 4th yeah but not this high, as i say Rodgers deserves praise for improving the players he already had.

 

[Aannddyy]

I suspect many peoples joy that Liverpool bottled it is mainly because of the media **** sucking coverage you have got this season mate. I genuinely cannot remember another side getting this much backing and so much dross written about them. I also think its very well known that Liverpool fans are known as unbearable winners and a whole season with them as Champions would have been a nightmare.

Although that is one of my reasons why i was so happy for the bottle job i have many other reasons alongside them.

Maybe because we're the only PL club that has actually deserved any kind of recognition for playing good football.

What I find strangest about you is not your warped opinion, it's the fact you genuinely believe other people agree with what you say.

 

[Tezzz]

I suspect you do lol.

Just after Hodgson got the job i listened to quite a few podcasts and a lot of them mentioned that online polls actually suggested people wanted Hodgson not Redknapp that's where i got the info from in the first place bud.

I can't remember anyone wanting Hodgson in charge mate. It was a laughing stock at first. Mind you I do live in Liverpool, were he nearly single handily got us relegated.

 

[CJACKO11]

Maybe because we're the only PL club that has actually deserved any kind of recognition for playing good football.

What I find strangest about you is not your warped opinion, it's the fact you genuinely believe other people agree with what you say.

I never said anything about anyone agreeing with me or wanting anyone to agree with me. I'm also not even sure what points you are challenging when you say "other people agree with what you say".

I can't remember anyone wanting Hodgson in charge mate. It was a laughing stock at first. Mind you I do live in Liverpool, were he nearly single handily got us relegated.

Well as you said your area obviously didn't want Hodgson, i never wanted Redknapp personally and with good reason.

 

[GodCubed]

Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers agrees deal to keep him at club until 2018 | Football | The Guardian

Good move if true. Wrap it up early and get it out of the way.

 

[Alcaraz]

Maybe because we're the only PL club that has actually deserved any kind of recognition for playing good football.

What I find strangest about you is not your warped opinion, it's the fact you genuinely believe other people agree with what you say.

Yeah and City were parking the bus every game right? Were they applauded? Oh wait ... More to the point though, why should Liverpool be applauded for playing 'good' (attacking football) and then a team like Chelsea be castigated for playing defensive and compact football? Both of them are equally difficult to implement as you found out to your cost against Palace therefore, both should be applauded if implement successfully. Unfortunately they are not

And then maybe one of the reasons you could play such breathtaking football was because your players only had to play one game a week and were always fresh. Next season will be telling to see if the Liverpool squad can maintain their standard of quality football. More often than not, you will need to grind out results and it's questionable whether Rodgers can do that

At the end of the day though, it's your precise aim of playing 'good' football that probably cost you the title in the end. You could have just sat back against Chelsea but instead decided to pummel them into the ground playing right into Mourinho's hand. Your arrogance that you could smash Palace for 6-7 goals came back and hurt you hilariously in the end. So celebrate all you wan that Liverpool is the only club that stayed true to the etho's of the game blah blah blah ... City will be the ones popping the champagne at the end because of their more pragmatic approach to the game

 

[ajt09]

Yeah because City haven't bottled it before have they?

Bit presumptuous aswell to think that Man City won't screw up.

 

[Tezzz]

Yeah and City were parking the bus every game right? Were they applauded? Oh wait ... More to the point though, why should Liverpool be applauded for playing 'good' (attacking football) and then a team like Chelsea be castigated for playing defensive and compact football? Both of them are equally difficult to implement as you found out to your cost against Palace therefore, both should be applauded if implement successfully. Unfortunately they are not

And then maybe one of the reasons you could play such breathtaking football was because your players only had to play one game a week and were always fresh. Next season will be telling to see if the Liverpool squad can maintain their standard of quality football. More often than not, you will need to grind out results and it's questionable whether Rodgers can do that

At the end of the day though, it's your precise aim of playing 'good' football that probably cost you the title in the end. You could have just sat back against Chelsea but instead decided to pummel them into the ground playing right into Mourinho's hand. Your arrogance that you could smash Palace for 6-7 goals came back and hurt you hilariously in the end. So celebrate all you wan that Liverpool is the only club that stayed true to the etho's of the game blah blah blah ... City will be the ones popping the champagne at the end because of their more pragmatic approach to the game

Go away

 

[Tezzz]

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Loving these websites. It's getting me through it all.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Yeah and City were parking the bus every game right? Were they applauded? Oh wait

City deserve plaudits no doubt, but they have the biggest wage bill in world sport and have spent over ?1 billion since the owners took over... It is expected.


... More to the point though, why should Liverpool be applauded for playing 'good' (attacking football) and then a team like Chelsea be castigated for playing defensive and compact football? Both of them are equally difficult to implement as you found out to your cost against Palace therefore, both should be applauded if implement successfully. Unfortunately they are not

Yes, Chelsea's organisation and structure is fantastic and in that sense they are very good, but it is boring to watch and anti-football... it may work but it is not what the neutrals want to see and that is the reason Chelsea don't get as many plaudits. A Chelsea match the majority of the time is boring to watch

For instance in the big matches Real Madrid play defensive football but are always looking to score on the counter and it makes for an exciting match.. Chelsea defend, and rarely look to score apart from mistakes or set pieces... It works the majority of the time but as I've said, it is boring


And then maybe one of the reasons you could play such breathtaking football was because your players only had to play one game a week and were always fresh. Next season will be telling to see if the Liverpool squad can maintain their standard of quality football. More often than not, you will need to grind out results and it's questionable whether Rodgers can do that

So why has no club ever gone from below 3rd place the previous season to win it the next? If that was the reasons the teams that do not have european football should be challenging every year? Its a simple excuse to defend rival fans' team failings


At the end of the day though, it's your precise aim of playing 'good' football that probably cost you the title in the end. You could have just sat back against Chelsea but instead decided to pummel them into the ground playing right into Mourinho's hand. Your arrogance that you could smash Palace for 6-7 goals came back and hurt you hilariously in the end. So celebrate all you wan that Liverpool is the only club that stayed true to the etho's of the game blah blah blah ... City will be the ones popping the champagne at the end because of their more pragmatic approach to the game

Very very bitter ending i must say. We wasn't arrogant and we played relatively well against Chelsea, at the end of the day Chelsea looked very toothless if it was not for the slip from Gerrard. Results and scenario's such as these happen.

Again another simple thing to say our attacking football cost us, when in fact it is the reason why we are challenging in the first place... Man City are very likely to win the league, but it is not over yet and judging by this season when 10 days ago Liverpool were 1/4 shots, anything can happen.