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Tackle on Sterling was never a penalty. Don't even understand why there's a debate? Great tackle.

Mignolet hand and ball would have been very very harsh. Came off his chest on to his arm.
 
Sterling has never got into the game. Playing him deeper is much wiser.
 
An FM match :D

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Mistake after mistake but conditions do look quite horrible to play in. Still schoolboy errors though
 
Fantastic win that, with a performance I didn't think we were capable of. Three points off third place and two off second - Bang in the top four race!
 
Great win, just 4 points from 3rd to 7th now. Lovren looked much better in the second half, and another clean sheet away from home. Skrtel the Barclays MOM.
 
great win and a great weekend really do think we will nick that 4th spot now
 
mersk said:
I already stated why: Because I think Moreno has higher potential. In other words, I believe this is about as good as Bertrand gets.
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Then that implies he'll do exactly the same, not get worse.

It's not only in hindsight. I was sceptical to the transfer when it happened, not just now. To pay an inflated £20m for a defender who had arguably only one good year behind him, playing behind the likes of Wanyama and Schneiderlin is, in my opinion, bad business. Not only because of the price, but also because Liverpool were playing with Gerrard as a DM, basically a regista. He has nowhere near the defensive qualities of the two aforementioned, and even when we play with Lucas, Lovren has shown that his lack of pace and questionable positioning and decision-making does not justify his transfer fee.
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I think you're rather overplaying the whole defensive cover aspect, particularly as Wanyama is a complete liability in defence quite a lot of the time, hence why they started playing Cork over him. Lovren managed to look like the best defender in the entire team, outshining even Fonte, who had an excellent season. Schneiderlin midfield cover did nothing for Hooiveld and Yoshida, they looked **** even with him.

£20 million isn't even that inflated for a talented young defender coming off a great year on a long contract with Premier League experience. If Gerrard is the problem, then it's hardly Lovren's fault for his own shortcomings. He wasn't a terrible signing at the time at all; he was a decent one. Of all the centre-backs brought in for less than his fee in the Prem during the summer, who can reasonably be said to be a better buy than him? Philippe Senderos? Brede Hangeland? Steven Caulker?Marcos Rojo, perhaps, but he's looked shaky at times. The only ones I can think of are Federico Fernandez and Florin Gardos, both of whom were huge punts that could have failed just as much as they could have succeeded.

Which is exactly why Borini should've been playing instead of Lambert. He was a better fit to the team, but it was almost as if Rodgers was trying to prove a point to him: If you don't accept to be sold when we want to cash in, you won't get playing time. I don't have anything personal against Lambert, I'm sure he's a fine player in the right team, but that team isn't Liverpool. He's slower than Carragher and I can only remember one time he successfully timed his run behind the defenders for Liverpool. In addition he doesn't have the stamina and mobility to perform the first-defender job Rodgers wants his strikers to do. Which is why he's been criticising Balotelli...
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Fine, I'm not debating whether Borini should've got a chance. I think one of Rodgers' biggest failings is that he essentially has a clique. If you're not part of it, you don't play. You only need to look at Lucas to see that. Lambert's a very fine player and he's good enough for Liverpool, just not the way he's been used.

Then again I never said the transfer was terrible, so I don't see the point in arguing against a straw man. All I said was that for £25m+ I feel we could've gotten better players, and I stand by that. I never said Borini and Allen were bad players - I actually reiterated they weren't - and I even argued that Borini should be playing ahead of Lambert.
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But that's a ridiculous, nonsensical argument. If you follow that to its logical extreme, for the money Palace spent on Dwight Gayle we could've acquired the next Messi for a quarter of that. Saying "we COULD'VE" got better players is 99.99999% always correct because unless you spent that £25 million LITERALLY PERFECTLY then you always could've got better players. The debate is whether they're worth what was spent on them, and most definitely in the case of Allen I'd say he is.

Those two aren't the only choices though. There's still the choice that's actually the reality today, namely a committee which Rodgers is a part of, and has influence in. And I prefer that model ahead of the other two you mentioned. Ideally I'd prefer a DoF, but Rodgers won't accept that.
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Well yeah, that's what I said when I said that Liverpool's board idea works pretty well at the moment.
 
GodCubed said:
Your run-in is no pushover, but it's doable. Only really big game in the final five is Chelsea away.
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have a very tuff weeks playing city, utd, arsenal an swansea 9 or 10 points out of those games we will be laughing
 
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