The Liverpool Thread

[Alcaraz]

Completely agreed, we should have done better and I'm not blaming all of it on finances ... but to be consistently successful it is an almost direct correlation that strong financial backing is involved

£210m spent ove the past three seasons and you have no silverware and one disappointing CL campaign to show for it. Sure you might argue that net spend was low because you sold your best players but that just hides the fact that your transfer strategy was absolutely shambolic. It's not about poor finances that Liverpool are in this position, it's terrible transfer strategy and dealings and inability to replace your best players properly

If I was John Henry, I would be blowing Klopp or Ancelloti so hard now

 

[dilakh2]

I feel bad for you Liverpool fans. As a Man Utd fan, these past 2 seasons have been horrible. How can you guys live with being a Liverpool fan. Must be torture.

Huehue.

i bet someone said the exact same thing to a united fan in the 70s or 80s.

 

[dilakh2]

£210m spent ove the past three seasons and you have no silverware and one disappointing CL campaign to show for it. Sure you might argue that net spend was low because you sold your best players but that just hides the fact that your transfer strategy was absolutely shambolic. It's not about poor finances that Liverpool are in this position, it's terrible transfer strategy and dealings and inability to replace your best players properly

If I was John Henry, I would be blowing Klopp or Ancelloti so hard now

this.

i saw this coming months ago, but was ridculed when i mentioned rodgers had failed in the past 3 season, but hey theyve seen the light now.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

wow, scouseinthehouse you literally mentioned every single point i have been saying for the past months, its been a shambles from top to bottom. blaming everything on finances is rubbish and a fukin awful excuse. like one of the posters said identifying players that will work in set system does not result in this sort of 200million hit and miss of awful buys. however lfcmarshall did say a good point we have been midtable for the past couple of seasons and that cannot all be blamed on rodgers, the entire club needs reshaping from top to bottom.

I share and feel your pain man.

But sadly, the way things are looking, I can only see it getting a lot worse before it gets better. A LOT worse.

I didn't think this season could get any worse but then we had Sundays absolute disgrace at Stoke. And it's not all on Rodgers at all. Most all of the players need to hold their hands up and take a long hard look at themselves and their part in this mess.

But when a manager loses his players and they stop buying into what he wants and stop playing for him, there's usually only one outcome. If FSG are seriously preparing to stand by him, I honestly don't understand how they think that will miraculously change and the players will start giving everything for BR again.

He's by no means the ONLY problem at Anfield.

But he's a BIG part of our problems IMHO.

 

[dilakh2]

touching on marshalls point about losing our best players. this comes from our stupid transfer strategy off moneyballing or whatever its called. the best player want to play with the best players. failing in that you buy hungry players with a point to prove combined with talent obviously. e.g coutinho and sturiddge. not fuking waste of space idiots like ballo or substandard players like iago aspas etc... i could go on.

 

[Tyton]

Looks like I'll be shaving the cactus (this just to be slang term for wanking somewhere in the world).

FSG are mental to hold on to Captain Rodgers, winner of nothing, while Klopp Benitez and now Ancelotti being available.

 

[mersk]

Looks like I'll be shaving the cactus (this just to be slang term for wanking somewhere in the world).

FSG are mental to hold on to Captain Rodgers, winner of nothing, while Klopp Benitez and now Ancelotti being available.

Benitez looks bound for Real Madrid, while Klopp is (according to Bild) taking at least six months away from football. And I don't think we can get Ancelotti even if we tried.

But there's no doubt changes are needed. If it were up to me, I'd look to either dismantle the transfer committee, change the transfer strategy, get a new manager, or all of the above. Preferrably I wouldn't mind new owners as well, as their strategy likely won't change, but that seems even more unlikely.

All this talk about Rodgers' position not being threatened is something to take with a pinch of salt in any case. How many times have we seen managers assured of their position, only to get sacked soon after? It's become basically a tendency: The more outspoken a club is of support of the manager, the more threatened his position really is. I'm not sure when this final evaluation meeting is supposed to take place, but I would assume it's soon, and that if a new manager is to be in place before next season, it should be dealt with ASAP. But hey, we're Liverpool, we like to drag things out like a bureaucratic circlejerk. I wouldn't be surprised if the calendar says July or even August before a new manager is in place, to give him as little time as possible to settle in.

 

[LFCMarshall]

£210m spent ove the past three seasons and you have no silverware and one disappointing CL campaign to show for it. Sure you might argue that net spend was low because you sold your best players but that just hides the fact that your transfer strategy was absolutely shambolic. It's not about poor finances that Liverpool are in this position, it's terrible transfer strategy and dealings and inability to replace your best players properly

If I was John Henry, I would be blowing Klopp or Ancelloti so hard now

It is a terrible transfer strategy - but despite all the poor signings the right players have been targeted each season but we have been unable to finalise it due to bigger clubs coming in for the player

Yes we have all that money - but we are signing second rate players to replace our first team stars because we cannot compete

touching on marshalls point about losing our best players. this comes from our stupid transfer strategy off moneyballing or whatever its called. the best player want to play with the best players. failing in that you buy hungry players with a point to prove combined with talent obviously. e.g coutinho and sturiddge. not fuking waste of space idiots like ballo or substandard players like iago aspas etc... i could go on.

It is partly to do with the transfer strategy and partly to do with us just not being a successful club regular for the past 20 years - As soon as a bigger team comes in, that player will not be at the club much longer

 

[Alcaraz]

It is a terrible transfer strategy - but despite all the poor signings the right players have been targeted each season but we have been unable to finalise it due to bigger clubs coming in for the player

Yes we have all that money - but we are signing second rate players to replace our first team stars because we cannot compete



It is partly to do with the transfer strategy and partly to do with us just not being a successful club regular for the past 20 years - As soon as a bigger team comes in, that player will not be at the club much longer

I really wouldn't say Arsenal is a 'bigger' club than Liverpool yet they got Sanchez. Maybe the transfer committee needs to work harder on selling a vision to superstar players. It's not about not being able to compete- It's poor transfer strategy and execution

Also I find it hard to buy the idea that just because you weren't successfull in the past means that big players don't come to your club. By that logic, Arsenal would never have gotten superstars like Sanchez and Ozil. A large part of the problem clearly lies with the way the club executes things rather than any other external factors

 

[LFCMarshall]

I really wouldn't say Arsenal is a 'bigger' club than Liverpool yet they got Sanchez. Maybe the transfer committee needs to work harder on selling a vision to superstar players. It's not about not being able to compete- It's poor transfer strategy and execution

Also I find it hard to buy the idea that just because you weren't successfull in the past means that big players don't come to your club. By that logic, Arsenal would never have gotten superstars like Sanchez and Ozil. A large part of the problem clearly lies with the way the club executes things rather than any other external factors

Arsenal having the pulling point of London and paid 42million for Ozil - Both something Liverpool dont have/wont do..

It's not that players don't want to come, its that they prefer other clubs as soon as they come in. The only way to get around it is to offer more money to the player and that is not going to happen

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I really wouldn't say Arsenal is a 'bigger' club than Liverpool yet they got Sanchez. Maybe the transfer committee needs to work harder on selling a vision to superstar players. It's not about not being able to compete- It's poor transfer strategy and execution

Also I find it hard to buy the idea that just because you weren't successfull in the past means that big players don't come to your club. By that logic, Arsenal would never have gotten superstars like Sanchez and Ozil. A large part of the problem clearly lies with the way the club executes things rather than any other external factors

As regards the above, as Marshall said above, one word: London.

When it comes to foreign players, the pull of the Capitol is immense Even Utd through their Premiership domination couldn't compete with that. We BADLY wanted Sanchez as part of the Suarez deal and agreed the best money plus player we could with Barcelona. But he and more so his wife openly wanted to be in London. No amount of money we could of thrown at him would of changed that. It just is what it is.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Looking back over the weekends posts last night there was a spot on post from LFCMarshall about the need for finishing in the Europa League spots which I keep getting rejected as I quote for 'too many URL's' so let's try without quoting.

People honestly don't appreciate and realise how VITALLY important European competition is. WHATEVER the competition.

Aside from the fact Liverpool Football Club is ALL about playing at Europe's top table given our history; we've now fallen to 42nd on UEFA's club coefficient list. That will basically have us, when we eventually do get back into the Champions League, in pot 4. Meaning we'll have at least 2 top clubs to face in the group.

You miss just ONE season out of Europe and the long term knock-on effect on your ranking can be disastrous.

We DESPERATELY need a deep run in next season's Europa League. But sadly, given the way we approached the competition 3 years back, followed by how fast we couldn't wait to get out of it this past season when we fell into it; I don't foresee the club taking it seriously much at all.

Which when there's the carrot of a guaranteed Champions League group place, something we are FAR from guaranteed through the League these days, to the winners; it makes it even more head scratching why it's not right up there on the list of priorities.

 

[xJamieWilliams]

I think the club needs dramatic changes,

It's hard to back Rodgers after these last few games, it really is, well if not impossible.

But I do also want us to look at our players, they've all not been good enough this year, with the exception of Coutinho. A lot of them have been played out of position, again, Rodgers to blame for that. Sometimes he's been forced to.

Milner being linked heavily is only good news, while I will be the first to admit I'm not his biggest fan and by no means think he is world class, he will walk in to that shamples of a starting XI.

It's think next season will be the strangest of all in my 21 years of being a Liverpool fan, and it's going to be a long one too...

 

[Sherkey]

I haven't been following all of BR's conferences, but his words seem to come back to bite him in the ***.. He's atleast as bad as Moyes was//

9 things Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers probably wishes he never said - Mirror Online

 

[Mike.]

Looking back over the weekends posts last night there was a spot on post from LFCMarshall about the need for finishing in the Europa League spots which I keep getting rejected as I quote for 'too many URL's' so let's try without quoting.

People honestly don't appreciate and realise how VITALLY important European competition is. WHATEVER the competition.

Aside from the fact Liverpool Football Club is ALL about playing at Europe's top table given our history; we've now fallen to 42nd on UEFA's club coefficient list. That will basically have us, when we eventually do get back into the Champions League, in pot 4. Meaning we'll have at least 2 top clubs to face in the group.

You miss just ONE season out of Europe and the long term knock-on effect on your ranking can be disastrous.

We DESPERATELY need a deep run in next season's Europa League. But sadly, given the way we approached the competition 3 years back, followed by how fast we couldn't wait to get out of it this past season when we fell into it; I don't foresee the club taking it seriously much at all.

Which when there's the carrot of a guaranteed Champions League group place, something we are FAR from guaranteed through the League these days, to the winners; it makes it even more head scratching why it's not right up there on the list of priorities.

Exactly, even without the new changes to the CL, because United have been out for ONE season, we've dropped from first to second seeds. That's how important it is.

RE: Sanchez, Wenger went out to the world cup and spoke to him directly, that's what convinced him over Liverpool.

 

[PA11111]

England is the only country in europe that doesnt take the europa league seriously just look at germany, italy and spain very year they take it serious and the rubbish that you cant play thursday and sunday with out it affecting league form doesnt seem to have affected sevilla the last 2 years or napoli or lots of other teams in europe.

 

[Alcaraz]

As regards the above, as Marshall said above, one word: London.

When it comes to foreign players, the pull of the Capitol is immense Even Utd through their Premiership domination couldn't compete with that. We BADLY wanted Sanchez as part of the Suarez deal and agreed the best money plus player we could with Barcelona. But he and more so his wife openly wanted to be in London. No amount of money we could of thrown at him would of changed that. It just is what it is.

Hardly ... Just because he loves London doesn't necessarily mean he will choose Crystal Palace over Liverpool for instance. Can't just keep blaming external factors for your failing transfer strategy ... It's quite obvious that you didn't convince him enough on the long-term vision otherwise he would have come despite the London factor

 

[Subtle]

Hardly ... Just because he loves London doesn't necessarily mean he will choose Crystal Palace over Liverpool for instance. Can't just keep blaming external factors for your failing transfer strategy ... It's quite obvious that you didn't convince him enough on the long-term vision otherwise he would have come despite the London factor

It's one of the most important 2nd tier considerations, with things like wages, club stature, competitions, teammates, importance to the club etc being 1st tier. When you have 2 clubs like Liverpool and Arsenal, where many of the 1st tier considerations are similar, the place where that club is often what makes a big difference. There is an enormous difference between being young and rich in London and being young and rich in Liverpool.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Hardly ... Just because he loves London doesn't necessarily mean he will choose Crystal Palace over Liverpool for instance. Can't just keep blaming external factors for your failing transfer strategy ... It's quite obvious that you didn't convince him enough on the long-term vision otherwise he would have come despite the London factor

Nobody's excusing our transfer failings. We know full well what a mess our transfer policy is as has been noted the last few pages.

But as regards Sanchez, we never even got to speak to him. As soon as Arsenal came into play, he was only going in one direction and that was London. He openly admits it's what his wife in particular wanted. It most assuredly wasn't for the lack of the club trying it's damnedest to get him as part of the Suarez deal.

Love it or hate it, London is a MAJOR pull, particularly to foreign players. Even taking out the current state of the two respective clubs on the field; Liverpool and Utd, by far and away the two biggest cubs in England, struggle to compete with London if that's what a player wants.

Thats no excuse for Northern clubs missing out on players. It just is what it is.

 

[xJamieWilliams]

Seen a few reports that City are ready to offer £30 million and Jovetic for Sterling, **** it!