The Liverpool Thread

[dilakh2]

It depends what you class as 'bottom out'? I mean we rarely finish above 5th so it would have to be Hodgson esque relegation zone standered to be classed as that

Despite the crisis people are talking about the league position has not been changed from what we have on average achieved in the last 10 or so years

problem is marshall we could accept mediocrity for those years but as the years go on more and more money is being pumped into football. millions of millions are available for any team in those 4 positions of CL. this is why it is so vital that we get it right in the summer otherwise we drift away from the top4. 2016-17 season i wouldnt be surprised to see lots of premier league clubs being sold because this is is when value will be at its highest what with the new tv deals etc... if we are a solid top 4 team by then we would be good investment for any new owners e.g sugar daddy

 

[dilakh2]

Am I the only one who doesn't think Rodgers should be sacked?

We didn't have Suarez, we had the pleasure of an unfit Sturridge in a handful of games. Our forwards consisted of Balotelli, Lambert, & Borini, who between them didn't reach double figures.

This season, we put in one of the best defensive performances I've seen from a Liverpool side. If it wasn't for our dip towards the end of the season we would have ran United close to 4th place. Our abysmal end to the year really made United's awful performance look good, which is very frustrating.

If sacking Rodgers meant we would get Ancelotti and a world-class forward then I would accept it.. But very few managers that would be interested in Liverpool are better than Rodgers, and sacking him would be a huge mistake.

this is what makes me laugh, everytime i ask any pro rodgers fan i always say why we should not sack him. the answer is because their is no one better out their who would manage lfc. if that is the case than mediocrity has become engraved in lfc. i can only name one quality that he has and that is he is an excellent coach. apart from that i just cant list one quality. please can someone for the love of good mention one good quality.

 

[Vanjagl]

That's harsh on Joe to say he was 'never consistently good.'

He was terrific at West Ham the first go-around and was a mainstay of Mourinho's Chelsea sides, really standing out the first couple of years. He'd tailed off the couple of years before we picked him up, mainly down to injury as you mentioned.

What happened with him at Anfield I honestly don't know. When Kenny took over from Hodgson the season we signed him you would of thought he was the perfect Dalglish type player but he never got a look in at all for whatever reason. Even youngsters like Spearing and Shelvey where preferred. What went wrong between him and Dalglish I don't know as he still had the talent and desire as he showed when he went out on loan to Lille; who loved him and really wanted to sign him on a permy.

His career has gone South since then, but Joe Cole was a real tidy little player the first decade or so of his career.

What I mean by that, he had great early career, was one of the best Chelsea players, at least attacking wise, but he faded after that, showing his ability now and then. You always know what to expect from Milner, he won't do anything spectacular like Joe Cole, but unlike Cole, he'll get the job done 9/10 times. He may not be effective in attack as Cole could be, but Milner is really versatile player who can tighten up any midfield.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Yeah, I was thinking on that after I responded and figured that was where you were coming from.

Thanks for the clarification Vanjagl man.

 

[Ride The Walrus]

There is a huge gulf between clubs like City, United, & Chelsea compared to the rest of the league.. There are very few managers who could compete with those three with our squad. Sure you can blame Rodgers for the signings but what else was he meant to do!? We're not as tempting as the big 3 clubs and we don't pay the wages Arsenal do. Nor can we guarantee fourth place. Our biggest regret over the summer was not paying whatever it takes to sign Sanchez.

The transfer strategy isn't great, we've paid a lot of money for average players. That much is true. Perhaps it's Rodgers, perhaps it's not. Who really knows? Buying talents before we break through (which, btw, we're not doing, atm) is something Newcastle do, and it doesn't get you anywhere in football. It might get your relegated, though. We haven't spent well but players like Markovic, Coutinho, Lallana, Allen, Can, & Moreno are good players. Players that would get in most top clubs or at least have the potential to do so. Rodgers probably didn't want Balotelli, for obvious reasons.. I wish people would stop using Balotelli as an example of our transfers, he was a poorly thought out buy after all our other targets were taken by bigger clubs.

It's sad to see just how fickle Liverpool fans can be. We're similar to Newcastle in that way. When things go well we all sing and are proud to be red but as soon as things take a turn for the worst the manager should be sacked, the owners are bleeding us try and don't care about the fans, the players are useless, the world hates us, it's all a conspiracy! No, stop being ridiculous.

For all of Rodgers faults past and present, I honestly believe he is an incredibly talented manager. When he gets it right we're unstoppable and I really think we could benefit from having him long term. Tactically he is incredible, I know the team have made mistakes, but he has learned from every one of them. He may not be the man to buy our players, and perhaps the guys around him aren't the best to advise him, but every transfer is a flip of a coin, especially when the players you really want are signing for teams that can offer more money and consistent European football.

some stuff in your post I agree with, but Rodgers is certainly not tactically incredible. We went four months until Christmas where Rodgers kept playing the same side that kept getting beat, in the same way, and didn't change it.

Against Stoke, we had 6/7 CM's and got overran in midfield. Allen at left wing, and Hendo at right wing?

Tactically, is his weakest part of his game. He's a really good manager when things are going great, like most of our players, but when we're down, or struggling, neither the manager, or players turn up enough.

 

[dilakh2]

some stuff in your post I agree with, but Rodgers is certainly not tactically incredible. We went four months until Christmas where Rodgers kept playing the same side that kept getting beat, in the same way, and didn't change it.

Against Stoke, we had 6/7 CM's and got overran in midfield. Allen at left wing, and Hendo at right wing?

Tactically, is his weakest part of his game. He's a really good manager when things are going great, like most of our players, but when we're down, or struggling, neither the manager, or players turn up enough.

Lool, I didn't even bother reading andy's post because no offence to him but it was utter bullshit. All Rodgers has done is make mistakes after mistakes which would be fine if he learnt from them but he isn't and won't.

 

[Aannddyy]

some stuff in your post I agree with, but Rodgers is certainly not tactically incredible. We went four months until Christmas where Rodgers kept playing the same side that kept getting beat, in the same way, and didn't change it.

Against Stoke, we had 6/7 CM's and got overran in midfield. Allen at left wing, and Hendo at right wing?

Tactically, is his weakest part of his game. He's a really good manager when things are going great, like most of our players, but when we're down, or struggling, neither the manager, or players turn up enough.

Sure, maybe incredible is a tad strong. But you cannot deny he has completely overhauled the way we play to some success. Some fans have short memories, and don't remember the way we played under Hodgson or Dalglish. It seems everyone has a selective memory, they remember the two cup finals but don't remember how awful we actually were.

Don't use Stoke as an example of Rodgers tactical set-up. I don't know what that was, but it certainly isn't wasn't in typical for Liverpool.

Like I said, he has been very naive tactically, but he has good ideas, he is a fantastic coach and has got the best out of a bunch that are miles away from the likes of Chelsea etc.

Lool, I didn't even bother reading andy's post because no offence to him but it was utter bullshit. All Rodgers has done is make mistakes after mistakes which would be fine if he learnt from them but he isn't and won't.

My post is bullshit? Says the moron who thinks sacking a manager with no realistic replacement is a good idea? Okay then. You think it's funny that people don't want to sack Rodgers because we couldn't find anyone better, yet you can't name one manager to replace him? You talk about getting a "sugar daddy" owner? What planet are you on!? Seriously. Don't call my post bullshit when you are yet to bring anything constructive or in fact interesting to this discussion.

 

[Ride The Walrus]

We are miles from Chelsea...but we shouldn't be as far away as we are. With the money we have spent, we should be a lot closer. United have been ***** this year, yet they've trounced into the top four, purely because we, and Spurs are shocking.

 

[dilakh2]

Sure, maybe incredible is a tad strong. But you cannot deny he has completely overhauled the way we play to some success. Some fans have short memories, and don't remember the way we played under Hodgson or Dalglish. It seems everyone has a selective memory, they remember the two cup finals but don't remember how awful we actually were.

Don't use Stoke as an example of Rodgers tactical set-up. I don't know what that was, but it certainly isn't wasn't in typical for Liverpool.

Like I said, he has been very naive tactically, but he has good ideas, he is a fantastic coach and has got the best out of a bunch that are miles away from the likes of Chelsea etc.



My post is bullshit? Says the moron who thinks sacking a manager with no realistic replacement is a good idea? Okay then. You think it's funny that people don't want to sack Rodgers because we couldn't find anyone better, yet you can't name one manager to replace him? You talk about getting a "sugar daddy" owner? What planet are you on!? Seriously. Don't call my post bullshit when you are yet to bring anything constructive or in fact interesting to this discussion.

i live on planet earth, i didnt mean to upset you bruh. if i did im sorry my bad. i just meant that rodgers has failed i can name countless managers who are better and we have a shot at. for one klopp albeit a small chance but still a chance. theirs unai emery who could be leaving because their DOF monchi is being courted by others. theirs lucien favre of gladbach who could also be available and has done wonders with gladbach. my comment about sugar daddy you have clearly nitpicketed, if you had bothered reading my whole post you would understand that i meant that 2017-2017 is the cut of point, meaning lots of clubs could be sold because value would have skyrocketed due to the new tv deals. with lfc not being in top4 it means that we would be less appealing to buyers. you do know that fsg are looking to sell even you would know that. lastly to say i dont bring anything constructive is just wrong, i was one of the first posters on here to point out rodgers defenciencies yet got put on blast and now and the end of this awful season we see rodgers for what he truly is. a fraudstar. by "bullshit" i meant your point about rodgers being tactically amazing, he is not and is far from it. i also meant "bullshit" by he learns from mistakes, well can you care to explain why he continues to put square pegs in round holes, awful transfers as well as his bullshit philosophy of passing for no reason. If I did come across arrogant I'm sorry bro.

 

[Ride The Walrus]

Pulled out of Neto deal. Looks like Matt Ryan will be target.

We'll know next week if Rodgers goes or stays, though i'd expect him to stay. Gone on a short holiday with his new Mrs

 

[mersk]

we don't pay the wages Arsenal do. Nor can we guarantee fourth place.

There's a statistical correlation there. Without investing in the squad - through both transfers and wages - we rely on strategical prowess in the transfer market, which we obviously don't have. Or we can rely on luck, which we seemingly don't have either.

The transfer strategy isn't great, we've paid a lot of money for average players. That much is true. Perhaps it's Rodgers, perhaps it's not. Who really knows? Buying talents before we break through (which, btw, we're not doing, atm) is something Newcastle do, and it doesn't get you anywhere in football. It might get your relegated, though. We haven't spent well but players like Markovic, Coutinho, Lallana, Allen, Can, & Moreno are good players. Players that would get in most top clubs or at least have the potential to do so. Rodgers probably didn't want Balotelli, for obvious reasons.. I wish people would stop using Balotelli as an example of our transfers, he was a poorly thought out buy after all our other targets were taken by bigger clubs.

The owners should know, or Ayre should know. But neither have the expertise to realize it, it seems. Buying talents before they break through is what we're trying to do. That's been the overall approach to the transfer market, and was clearly the plan with players like Markovic, Can, Moreno and Manquillo last summer. Only Can can be said to have shown real promise, the rest have been average at best. And aside from Coutinho, and perhaps Can, I can't see any of the players you mention getting much game time at the top clubs in the league. Out of Markovic, Lallana, Allen and Moreno, Lallana is the one with the best chance as a rotational player at clubs like Chelsea and City. Moreno doesn't seem to know what defending is, Allen is the personification of mediocrity, and Markovic hasn't shown anything so far. The reason people are using Balotelli as an example, is because he's perfect to get the point across: We don't plan well enough, and the execution is *****.

It's sad to see just how fickle Liverpool fans can be. We're similar to Newcastle in that way. When things go well we all sing and are proud to be red but as soon as things take a turn for the worst the manager should be sacked, the owners are bleeding us try and don't care about the fans, the players are useless, the world hates us, it's all a conspiracy! No, stop being ridiculous.

I can only speak for myself, and I've never mentioned "owners sucking us dry" or anything close to "a conspiracy". I won't dignify such strawman argumentation any further.

For all of Rodgers faults past and present, I honestly believe he is an incredibly talented manager. When he gets it right we're unstoppable and I really think we could benefit from having him long term. Tactically he is incredible, I know the team have made mistakes, but he has learned from every one of them. He may not be the man to buy our players, and perhaps the guys around him aren't the best to advise him, but every transfer is a flip of a coin, especially when the players you really want are signing for teams that can offer more money and consistent European football.

Well, we would have to disagree strongly on that point. If there's one weakness Rodgers has (though there are obviously more than just one), it's tactically. The deciding game against Chelsea last season is the perfect example. We'd be fine with a draw, but what do we do? Rodgers chalks up his gung-ho plan on the board, leaving no cover for Gerrard when he slipped. Of course you can blame it on bad luck, but it's more than that. It's naivety and a complete lack of cynicism, one of the things he obviously didn't learn from Mourinho.

Learning from his mistakes is the one thing he seems incapable of doing. Game after game we play players out of position, no matter how poorly they played there the last game. How many different tactical approaches were used the last half of the season? 50? 70? It's laughable. There's no consistency at all, and even when we were on a winning streak we played poor at times, especially against Swansea and Southampton. Then of course, the horrible example of the Stoke game: "Look lads, we're 5-0 down, but I got a feeling that if we bring on Kolo and continue without a striker, we'll bag a few goals in no time". Really? No striker until the last 20 minutes of the game? Guess what happened when Lambert finally did come on, we scored a goal.

Sorry, but I can't support Rodgers any longer. And unless our transfer strategy changes dramatically, I can't support the owners either. That doesn't mean I'll be yelling for them to GTFO, it just means they don't have my support. The club will always have my support.

 

[Aannddyy]

i live on planet earth, i didnt mean to upset you bruh. if i did im sorry my bad. i just meant that rodgers has failed i can name countless managers who are better and we have a shot at. for one klopp albeit a small chance but still a chance. theirs unai emery who could be leaving because their DOF monchi is being courted by others. theirs lucien favre of gladbach who could also be available and has done wonders with gladbach. my comment about sugar daddy you have clearly nitpicketed, if you had bothered reading my whole post you would understand that i meant that 2017-2017 is the cut of point, meaning lots of clubs could be sold because value would have skyrocketed due to the new tv deals. with lfc not being in top4 it means that we would be less appealing to buyers. you do know that fsg are looking to sell even you would know that. lastly to say i dont bring anything constructive is just wrong, i was one of the first posters on here to point out rodgers defenciencies yet got put on blast and now and the end of this awful season we see rodgers for what he truly is. a fraudstar. by "bullshit" i meant your point about rodgers being tactically amazing, he is not and is far from it. i also meant "bullshit" by he learns from mistakes, well can you care to explain why he continues to put square pegs in round holes, awful transfers as well as his bullshit philosophy of passing for no reason. If I did come across arrogant I'm sorry bro.

Were we to sack Rodgers, our choice of managers would be similar to that of our transfer targets, we would probably get number 5 or 6 on the list.

Like I said, maybe Rodgers hasn't been incredible, but he's been better than what we've had. In a world where Rafa Benitez is considered the number 1 favourite for the Real Madrid job, sacking Rodgers seems ludicrous. So until Klopp categorically states he wants to join us I think Rodgers is safe. You might not like it but that's just the way it is.

I feel you're putting far too much pressure on Rodgers when it should come down to whoever has been "finding" these players. We've been missing out on key targets for years, and instead buying mediocre players for over-inflated prices. It's not ideal but I'm confident with a few big signings we'll be ready to compete a bit better next season.

 

[dilakh2]

Were we to sack Rodgers, our choice of managers would be similar to that of our transfer targets, we would probably get number 5 or 6 on the list.

Like I said, maybe Rodgers hasn't been incredible, but he's been better than what we've had. In a world where Rafa Benitez is considered the number 1 favourite for the Real Madrid job, sacking Rodgers seems ludicrous. So until Klopp categorically states he wants to join us I think Rodgers is safe. You might not like it but that's just the way it is.

I feel you're putting far too much pressure on Rodgers when it should come down to whoever has been "finding" these players. We've been missing out on key targets for years, and instead buying mediocre players for over-inflated prices. It's not ideal but I'm confident with a few big signings we'll be ready to compete a bit better next season.

I feel like you are given Rodgers far to much credit. Trust me their are excellent managers out their who have done more than Rodgers has. He asked as HIMSELF to give him 3 years well it's been three years and theirs been some improvements but not enough to warrant the amount of spending he has done. My biggest problem with giving Rodgers another year is that I literally have no faith I'm him to get it right. Transfer wise and on the pitch. I'm still waiting for someone to mention one quality of Rodgers that he has shown whilst he has been with us. Apart from being an excellent coach.

 

[Ride The Walrus]

We're in for Clyne.

**** me, you can't write this stuff.

play in England? You're signed!

Play for Southampton? BRING ALONG A MATE TOO! WE'LL TAKE 2

 

[mersk]

We're in for Clyne.

**** me, you can't write this stuff.

play in England? You're signed!

Play for Southampton? BRING ALONG A MATE TOO! WE'LL TAKE 2

I'd welcome Clyne any time. We obviously need a right back. With Johnson leaving there's only Manquillo and Flanagan, and Clyne is definitey a step up from them. Feel sorry for Southampton though, I'd probably hate Liverpool if I were a Saints fan.

 

[smith123]

You can have clyne lads if woody allows it.

 

[Ride The Walrus]

You can have clyne lads if woody allows it.

32 million bid in the offing?

 

[mersk]

32 million bid in the offing?

Tim Sherwood has stated that Benteke has a transfer clause in his contract, Daily Telegraph claims it's at £32.5m.

If we pay that much for Benteke, I'll probably shake my head and chuckle, not much else to do.

 

[LFCMarshall]

We're in for Clyne.

**** me, you can't write this stuff.

play in England? You're signed!

Play for Southampton? BRING ALONG A MATE TOO! WE'LL TAKE 2

Clyne would be a fantastic signing in a position we need strengthening

 

[dilakh2]

Clyne would be a fantastic signing in a position we need strengthening

I agree the kid is fantastic. he is strong, fast, good going forward and excellent defensively. The complete package imo. Only prob is southampton could take us to the cleaners and we could overpay.