The Liverpool Thread

[LFCMarshall]

Im almost certain this will be Aidy Ward just stirring the pot that little more... There is no surprise Sterling is interested in a move to United if he wants to leave Liverpool but taking it to a newspaper is pure mind games

 

[LFCMarshall]

FSG know they can't sell Sterling to United no matter what. If they do, the fans might respond by focusing all the hate on Sterling himself, but selling a huge talent to the arch rivals is something that cannot, and will not, be ignored. Hopefully FSG are fully aware of this, and know that it will upset the fans regardless of how big of a douche Sterling might or might not be. United wouldn't sell HEINZE to us, and we're gonna let them have Sterling? It just won't happen. If it does, I will eat the parts of the cactus that Tyton shaves off.

Im not saying Sterling is Suarez, but FSG shown last season they are no pushovers when players want to leave to divisional rivals

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Im not saying Sterling is Suarez, but FSG shown last season they are no pushovers when players want to leave to divisional rivals

True, but conversely I'm reliably informed he would of been an Arsenal player if they hadn't taken the **** and had offered something approaching what we valued him at, so desperate where we to offload him at that time down to the clubs PR fears.

Hearing Clyne's a done deal. Just need to thrash out the fee with Southampton but he's agreed.

 

[LFCMarshall]

True, but conversely I'm reliably informed he would of been an Arsenal player if they hadn't taken the **** and had offered something approaching what we valued him at, so desperate where we to offload him at that time down to the clubs PR fears.

Hearing Clyne's a done deal. Just need to thrash out the fee with Southampton but he's agreed.

Wouldn't surprise me actually.. thank god it didn't happen.

Yep, seems almost inevitable now

 

[damola3]

Wouldn't surprise me actually.. thank god it didn't happen.

Yep, seems almost inevitable now

What basically happened in the end, is that Arsene was informed by scouts that they thought he had a £40,000,001 release clause. They got this terrible wrong and ended up taking the **** with the bid. If it had been £41 Million, would we be sitting here now? If Liverpool wouldn't sell Suarez to a division rival, Sterling to United is insanity. Correst me if I'm wrong, but I've yet to see a solid news source confirm serious interest in Clyne, let along an offer. Don't tell me in the express, Dailymail, daily star etc.

 

[LFCMarshall]

What basically happened in the end, is that Arsene was informed by scouts that they thought he had a £40,000,001 release clause. They got this terrible wrong and ended up taking the **** with the bid. If it had been £41 Million, would we be sitting here now? If Liverpool wouldn't sell Suarez to a division rival, Sterling to United is insanity. Correst me if I'm wrong, but I've yet to see a solid news source confirm serious interest in Clyne, let along an offer. Don't tell me in the express, Dailymail, daily star etc.

Yes, the got their information wrong and It could have cost them.. I honestly think Suarez wins you the league and makes you very hard to beat

Echo, Times, Guardian and even Sky Sports... whole host of newspapers/journalist's reporting it. The bid is genuine and not just rumours

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...bid-for-southamptons-nathaniel-clyne-rejected

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ews/liverpool-fc-ready-increase-offer-9352029

http://www.theguardian.com/football...l-southampton-nathaniel-clyne-brendan-rodgers

 

[sunilvk7]

Sterling to ManUtd will never happen. Centuries of rivalry won't be broken for a player who is yet to achieve anything in the game.

Last time player moved from Liverpool to United was in 1930s.

 

[damola3]

Great signing if it does happen. He's a rock solid full back defensively, which isn't said much about Liverpool.

 

[Quasit]

What basically happened in the end, is that Arsene was informed by scouts that they thought he had a £40,000,001 release clause. They got this terrible wrong and ended up taking the **** with the bid. If it had been £41 Million, would we be sitting here now? If Liverpool wouldn't sell Suarez to a division rival, Sterling to United is insanity. Correst me if I'm wrong, but I've yet to see a solid news source confirm serious interest in Clyne, let along an offer. Don't tell me in the express, Dailymail, daily star etc.

Suarez actually had the RC of 40mil. It was confirmed by John W. Henry in an interview some time ago, but Suarez lacked balls to fight you for it.

 

[damola3]

Suarez actually had the RC of 40mil. It was confirmed by John W. Henry in an interview some time ago, but Suarez lacked balls to fight you for it.

I Googled this and found this article: Liverpool's owner admits Luis Suárez did have £40m clause – reports | Sport | The Guardian
It makes sense really. Football and the law don't go well together. John Henry blocking the release clause was in fact illegal. Suarez probably didn't want to hand in a transfer request and lose a loyalty bonus, due to his release clause being activated, making him unhappiness. There's every reason that he felt that a lawsuit was touch trouble and eventually had to continue playing for Liverpool, as lawsuits in football are expensive and sports defining. For example, the Bosnian ruling at a lawsuit changed football forever, as it allowed free transfers.

 

[Quasit]

I Googled this and found this article: Liverpool's owner admits Luis Suárez did have £40m clause – reports | Sport | The Guardian
It makes sense really. Football and the law don't go well together. John Henry blocking the release clause was in fact illegal. Suarez probably didn't want to hand in a transfer request and lose a loyalty bonus, due to his release clause being activated, making him unhappiness. There's every reason that he felt that a lawsuit was touch trouble and eventually had to continue playing for Liverpool, as lawsuits in football are expensive and sports defining. For example, the Bosnian ruling at a lawsuit changed football forever, as it allowed free transfers.

Yeah Bosman ruling changed the sport, but by the time it was done Bosman had retired. Suarez would have needed to take the case to court and who knows how long that would have taken and he would have still needed to play for Liverpool until ruling.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Great signing if it does happen. He's a rock solid full back defensively, which isn't said much about Liverpool.

Honestly can not think of the last full back we've had that could defend first and foremost beyond Flanno.

Probably going back to Stevie Finnan. and Arbeloa. Before that Robbie Jones. THAT'S how badly the position has been neglected on both sides.

This modern day shift to full backs that can attack first and foremost has contributed to the woeful overall standard of defending in England right across the board. Give me a defender that can defend, what should be his primary role, first and foremost ANY day of the week over an athletic player that can bomb up and down, contributing more in an attacking sense. Phil Neal redefined the attacking full back role. But he never lost sight of his primary role being to defend. If you then can find a Neal-esq one like Clyne who can defend properly and contribute in attack you have the perfect fullback.

A lots changed as the games progressed and a lot not for the better.

Little aside, but this makes reading Utd fans wanting Alves all the more amusing to me. They have a woeful set of centre halves, are on the verge of losing the main contributor to getting them in the Champions League in nets; and many are wanting Alves who is attack minded first and pretty darn suspect defensively however folk like to make out he isn't brought into the mix.

One can only hope Van Gaal is as foolish to be thinking the same.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Suarez actually had the RC of 40mil. It was confirmed by John W. Henry in an interview some time ago, but Suarez lacked balls to fight you for it.

I Googled this and found this article: Liverpool's owner admits Luis Suárez did have £40m clause – reports | Sport | The Guardian
It makes sense really. Football and the law don't go well together. John Henry blocking the release clause was in fact illegal. Suarez probably didn't want to hand in a transfer request and lose a loyalty bonus, due to his release clause being activated, making him unhappiness. There's every reason that he felt that a lawsuit was touch trouble and eventually had to continue playing for Liverpool, as lawsuits in football are expensive and sports defining. For example, the Bosnian ruling at a lawsuit changed football forever, as it allowed free transfers.

I think the same happened with Konoplyanka and Liverpool, If i'm correct

 

[Mike.]

Honestly can not think of the last full back we've had that could defend first and foremost beyond Flanno.

Probably going back to Stevie Finnan. and Arbeloa. Before that Robbie Jones. THAT'S how badly the position has been neglected on both sides.

This modern day shift to full backs that can attack first and foremost has contributed to the woeful overall standard of defending in England right across the board. Give me a defender that can defend, what should be his primary role, first and foremost ANY day of the week over an athletic player that can bomb up and down, contributing more in an attacking sense. Phil Neal redefined the attacking full back role. But he never lost sight of his primary role being to defend. If you then can find a Neal-esq one like Clyne who can defend properly and contribute in attack you have the perfect fullback.

A lots changed as the games progressed and a lot not for the better.

Little aside, but this makes reading Utd fans wanting Alves all the more amusing to me. They have a woeful set of centre halves, are on the verge of losing the main contributor to getting them in the Champions League in nets; and many are wanting Alves who is attack minded first and pretty darn suspect defensively however folk like to make out he isn't brought into the mix.

One can only hope Van Gaal is as foolish to be thinking the same.

The idea that Alves is suspect defensively doesn't stack up. The key is actually WHERE he wins the ball. Alves wins it back extremely high up the pitch and then immediately counters. it's why for so long the more resolute Abidal was on the left. You play a good covering reader on Alves side and you allow him to create the press leading to the counter attack. Which is not what Clyne does.

 

[Subtle]

Suarez actually had the RC of 40mil. It was confirmed by John W. Henry in an interview some time ago, but Suarez lacked balls to fight you for it.

???

At what point was Suarez desperate to leave but the club refused to let him go because of his price? Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't it the other way around when Arsenal came in for him: the club wanted him to go for PR reasons but Suarez was fairly ambivalent?

 

[sunilvk7]

The idea that Alves is suspect defensively doesn't stack up. The key is actually WHERE he wins the ball. Alves wins it back extremely high up the pitch and then immediately counters. it's why for so long the more resolute Abidal was on the left. You play a good covering reader on Alves side and you allow him to create the press leading to the counter attack. Which is not what Clyne does.

Brazilian and excellent at attacking so obviously he should be suspect defensively.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

The idea that Alves is suspect defensively doesn't stack up. The key is actually WHERE he wins the ball. Alves wins it back extremely high up the pitch and then immediately counters. it's why for so long the more resolute Abidal was on the left. You play a good covering reader on Alves side and you allow him to create the press leading to the counter attack. Which is not what Clyne does.

And is consistently out of position as a traditional full back, and Utd don't have the personnel to compensate for him in his natural wing back role.

I sincerely hope you sign him FWIW.

 

[Mike.]

Brazilian and excellent at attacking so obviously he should be suspect defensively.

No one won more tackles than him in all of La Liga last season. My only argument against him is age. But he is the blueprint for Rafael, who hasn't been sold yet. What you need though is a good cover defender on his side, but then again that's what we are looking to buy anyway.

 

[sunilvk7]

No one won more tackles than him in all of La Liga last season. My only argument against him is age. But he is the blueprint for Rafael, who hasn't been sold yet. What you need though is a good cover defender on his side, but then again that's what we are looking to buy anyway.

Yeah age is a big issue but he should be good enough for at least 2 years and then we can search for a new RB as I don't think there are any good ones available.

Also Rafael is gone case but I hope we retain him.If he can pick up a thing or 2 from playing/training with Dani Alves then it would be nice for him. Also he is just 24 or 25 at start of next season, plenty of time to sort out his future. His biggest concern is injuries, so with Dani Alves we will have super fit RB so Rafael and Dani Alves can rotate for RB spot.

 

[LFCMarshall]

No one won more tackles than him in all of La Liga last season. My only argument against him is age. But he is the blueprint for Rafael, who hasn't been sold yet. What you need though is a good cover defender on his side, but then again that's what we are looking to buy anyway.

Everything is a lot easier when you play for Barcelona... Dani Alves is a good player and would be a good signing but turning out for United rather than Barcelona will likely make his flaws a lot more obvious