The Liverpool Thread

[PA11111]

Worst squad in 10 years and still finish in a similar position... Brendan's a genius

sorry super fan liverpools number 1 fan they can do no wrong in ur eyes id be shocked if we finish higher then 7th with this **** squad one good player

 

[LFCMarshall]

sorry super fan liverpools number 1 fan they can do no wrong in ur eyes id be shocked if we finish higher then 7th with this **** squad one good player

I was taking the ****, whilst at the same speaking the truth (about our league position finishes, not BR being a genius)

 

[PA11111]

I was taking the ****, whilst at the same speaking the truth (about our league position finishes, not BR being a genius)

we are fighting with burnley over what to pay for danny ******* ings while ac milan a team who have easily bein worse then us the last 4 or 5 years are abound to spend 35 million euros on jackson martinez and we could end up paying 35 million POUNDS for benteke the big donkey the manager and owners are both clueless and should leave

 

[PatrickLFC]

If indeed the Kovacic stuff is true... few more bits (No idea if credible):

1. LFC scouts are at the Italy-Croatia game tonight. 2. Inter will sell the player due to FFP and to finance signings in priority areas.

3. Kovacic will be replaced by Duda (Legia Warsaw), whom Inter should sign soon, thus ensuring conclusion of deal with LFC.

4. Inter want to spend the rest of the Kovacic money (£18m + add-ons) on Kongdobia. Essentially, Inter would like to keep Kovacic but can't.

If this is true, then why are we buying Kovacic and not Kondogbia ourselves? Kovacic is an excellent player but Kondogbia would improve our squad much more, and if that is to be believed, for not much extra cost.

 

[Quasit]

we are fighting with burnley over what to pay for danny ******* ings while ac milan a team who have easily bein worse then us the last 4 or 5 years are abound to spend 35 million euros on jackson martinez and we could end up paying 35 million POUNDS for benteke the big donkey the manager and owners are both clueless and should leave

Milan won Serie A just 4 years ago and finished runners up year after that. Only these two last years have been bad. Milan are a huge club and with the new investor it's easy to sign these players especially because I think Doyen Group who have a lot player connections are part of the investor consortium.

 

[LFCMarshall]

we are fighting with burnley over what to pay for danny ******* ings while ac milan a team who have easily bein worse then us the last 4 or 5 years are abound to spend 35 million euros on jackson martinez and we could end up paying 35 million POUNDS for benteke the big donkey the manager and owners are both clueless and should leave

Well yeah, we are not going to pay more than we have to when he has already agreed to join us are we?

Milan have been poor for two seasons, before that they were still one of the biggest teams around and now have a new billionaire investor ... You still completely ignored the fact that this 'worst team in 10 years' actually did better in the league than 6 of those 10 years

 

[LFCMarshall]

Tony Barrett suggesting that Sterling edges closer to the exit and Man City is the likely destination

Could be a player involved in the deal. Dzeko, Fernandinho, Jovetic the players mentioned

 

[Aannddyy]

we are fighting with burnley over what to pay for danny ******* ings while ac milan a team who have easily bein worse then us the last 4 or 5 years are abound to spend 35 million euros on jackson martinez and we could end up paying 35 million POUNDS for benteke the big donkey the manager and owners are both clueless and should leave

Yeah lets have a go at people for something they probably aren't going to do because that's what football fans are like. We might (probably won't) sign somebody for a ridiculous (probably isn't) fee so I'm outraged. Okay.

Tony Barrett suggesting that Sterling edges closer to the exit and Man City is the likely destination

Could be a player involved in the deal. Dzeko, Fernandinho, Jovetic the players mentioned

Fernandinho would be a good addition, especially if we brought Kondogbia in as well.

I'd be happy with Dzeko and/ or Jovetic, neither hold a value anywhere near the fee City paid for them but both are good enough for our squad.

£30m + Fernandinho, Dzeko, & Jovetic would be a good deal. Then spend that £30m on somebody like De Bruyne. Never gonna happen, though.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Yeah lets have a go at people for something they probably aren't going to do because that's what football fans are like. We might (probably won't) sign somebody for a ridiculous (probably isn't) fee so I'm outraged. Okay.



Fernandinho would be a good addition, especially if we brought Kondogbia in as well.

I'd be happy with Dzeko and/ or Jovetic, neither hold a value anywhere near the fee City paid for them but both are good enough for our squad.

£30m + Fernandinho, Dzeko, & Jovetic would be a good deal. Then spend that £30m on somebody like De Bruyne. Never gonna happen, though.

£30m + All three is not going to happen... Im guessing it would be more like their first offer (25+5mil) and one of those

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

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Fernandinho would be a good addition, especially if we brought Kondogbia in as well.

I'd be happy with Dzeko and/ or Jovetic, neither hold a value anywhere near the fee City paid for them but both are good enough for our squad.

£30m + Fernandinho, Dzeko, & Jovetic would be a good deal. Then spend that £30m on somebody like De Bruyne. Never gonna happen, though.

Galliani is set on Kondogbia so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him commit to Milan through next week. And I believe he more meant £30 mill plus one of the listed players. Completely agree Dzeko would be a real solid addition. Not as high on Jovetic personally. Talented, but both injury prone and not that consistent a scorer, whereas Dzeko's proven in the BPL. Jovetic does have age on Edin so there is that.

I fully expect Boston to hold out for their valuation in cash ala Suarez and Torres. Which is all well and good but you still have to replace and when clubs know you've got the money the price jumps. We got lucky with Rafa and Sturridge so cheap, but I never understood why we didn't push for that out of the Torres deal.

Completely and utterly agree on spending the bulk, if not all, on top bracket quality. He bulked up the squad last year. Something we've consistently done for years with average to good players instead of sacrificing numbers for talent. Add one or 2 top class talents every window and you'll eventually build the squad you crave. Add 5 or 6 good at best players who aren't difference makers and you get what we are.

Quality over quantity.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Galliani is set on Kondogbia so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him commit to Milan through next week. And I believe he more meant £30 mill plus one of the listed players. Completely agree Dxeko would be a real solid addition. Not as high on Jovetic personally. Talented, but both injury prone and not that consistent a scorer, whereas Dzeko's proven in the BPL. Jovetic does have age on Edin so there is that.

I fully expect Boston to hold out for their valuation in cash ala Suarez and Torres. Which is all well and good but you still have to replace and when clubs know you've got the money the price jumps. We got lucky with Rafa and Sturridge so cheap, but I never understood why we didn't push for that out of the Torres deal.

Completely and utterly agree on spending the bulk, if not all, on top bracket quality. He bulked up the squad last year. Something we've consistently done for years with average to good players instead of sacrificing numbers for talent. Add one or 2 top class talents every window and you'll eventually build the squad you crave. Add 5 or 6 good at best players who aren't difference makers and you get what we are.

Quality over quantity.

We have a squad now - we have lost a few players and replaced them with free signings - now spend some money on one or two additions of real quality

 

[Aannddyy]

£30m + All three is not going to happen... Im guessing it would be more like their first offer (25+5mil) and one of those

I did say "Never gonna happen" but yeah, I'd be happy with just Dzeko and Fernandinho + £30m, we won't be bullied into selling for a low price.

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Agree. We've done well to bring in Bogdan, Milner, & Ings alongside Origi, that's the squad beefed up following the departure of Jones, Gerrard, & Johnson.

Now we need to bring in a quality Keeper, Centre back, Right back, Holding Midfielder, & Striker.

 

[Mike.]

Galliani is set on Kondogbia so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him commit to Milan through next week. And I believe he more meant £30 mill plus one of the listed players. Completely agree Dzeko would be a real solid addition. Not as high on Jovetic personally. Talented, but both injury prone and not that consistent a scorer, whereas Dzeko's proven in the BPL. Jovetic does have age on Edin so there is that.

I fully expect Boston to hold out for their valuation in cash ala Suarez and Torres. Which is all well and good but you still have to replace and when clubs know you've got the money the price jumps. We got lucky with Rafa and Sturridge so cheap, but I never understood why we didn't push for that out of the Torres deal.

Completely and utterly agree on spending the bulk, if not all, on top bracket quality. He bulked up the squad last year. Something we've consistently done for years with average to good players instead of sacrificing numbers for talent. Add one or 2 top class talents every window and you'll eventually build the squad you crave. Add 5 or 6 good at best players who aren't difference makers and you get what we are.

Quality over quantity.

You won't though, because its not the "FSG way". and that is the crux of the issue.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

You won't though, because its not the "FSG way". and that is the crux of the issue.

Sadly it is.

I honestly don't expect any 'marquee' signing this window. Just more of the same plug and go mediocrity or youngsters with 'potential' that may or may not turn into something.

Over the last 33 years of going the game regularly, I've experienced some of the highest of highs with memory's that only Utd fans the past 2 decades can match; along with the lowest of lows through 2 life changing disasters. But I've honestly never felt as low about the current state and future of the football club as I have this past season to this point. Completely directionless, with average, hugely over paid players; a stubborn ***, clueless manager; and an ownership who seem to see us as just another addition to their sports portfolio. As we stand now, I expect nothing more than scrambling for a UEFA cup slot. We are, to all intents and purposes on the field, little better than a Villa or Newcastle or Everton but with a name and history.

It's gotten like it was the back end of Benitez's time, and into Hodgson's. I'll be back next year, but it's now force of habit like it is for so many of my generation rather than excited passion and hope/ expectation.

And that's the saddest thing of all.

 

[LFCMarshall]

I did say "Never gonna happen" but yeah, I'd be happy with just Dzeko and Fernandinho + £30m, we won't be bullied into selling for a low price.

At this rate I'd be tempted with 30-35mil and either of those players!

 

[LFCMarshall]

You won't though, because its not the "FSG way". and that is the crux of the issue.

Sadly it is.

I honestly don't expect any 'marquee' signing this window. Just more of the same plug and go mediocrity or youngsters with 'potential' that may or may not turn into something.

Over the last 33 years of going the game regularly, I've experienced some of the highest of highs with memory's that only Utd fans the past 2 decades can match; along with the lowest of lows through 2 life changing disasters. But I've honestly never felt as low about the current state and future of the football club as I have this past season to this point. Completely directionless, with average, hugely over paid players; a stubborn ***, clueless manager; and an ownership who seem to see us as just another addition to their sports portfolio. As we stand now, I expect nothing more than scrambling for a UEFA cup slot. We are, to all intents and purposes on the field, little better than a Villa or Newcastle or Everton but with a name and history.

It's gotten like it was the back end of Benitez's time, and into Hodgson's. I'll be back next year, but it's now force of habit like it is for so many of my generation rather than excited passion and hope/ expectation.

And that's the saddest thing of all.

Im hoping (Probably foolishly) that the transfer strategy may have changed slightly with the signing of Milner a change of ways..

Tony Barrett also suggested that FSG have realised more funding is needed to challenge for the top 4

 

[Mike.]

Im hoping (Probably foolishly) that the transfer strategy may have changed slightly with the signing of Milner a change of ways..

Tony Barrett also suggested that FSG have realised more funding is needed to challenge for the top 4

Slightly isn't enough but you're right it needs to for your sake.

 

[LFCMarshall]

With Cech seemingly close to Arsenal, United willing to spend silly amounts of money and Man City and Chelsea being the teams they are, I am struggling to see how Liverpool can realistically get into the top four

Unless the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Everton and Southampton get some sort of bigger financial backing It may be this way for the foreseeable future as well

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

With Cech seemingly close to Arsenal, United willing to spend silly amounts of money and Man City and Chelsea being the teams they are, I am struggling to see how Liverpool can realistically get into the top four

Unless the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Everton and Southampton get some sort of bigger financial backing It may be this way for the foreseeable future as well

Sad symptom of modern day football. You need the big financial outlay, year on year, to consistently compete at the very top level.

Personally speaking, I'd hate to be a City or Chelsea and just buy anything that moves. (Often to the point of buying players just so other clubs can't have them just because.). But without that serious financial backing, I just don't see how you get back up there. And the more years you spend out of the Champions League, whilst your 'competitors' are in it, the wider that financial gap gets.

Season's like 2 years ago are fewer and further between these days. That's what makes it still so sickly frustrating to come to terms with. 3 games to go in our own hands and we threw it away. The whole landscape could of been so much different right here, right now if momentum had carried over into last season off the back of # 19.

Gods honest, I'm truly not sure when we'll next be that close again. If ever. I'm just real glad and feel so fortunate I've seen Liverpool pick up the league as I'd hate to be of todays generation and potentially never see that. That sounds dramatic but we're on 25 years now and as far away as we've ever been.

Ironic how we laughed at Utd through their 26 year barren patch. We're looking like we'll blow that out of the water and then some.

 

[fuelledbypassion]

Sad symptom of modern day football. You need the big financial outlay, year on year, to consistently compete at the very top level.

Personally speaking, I'd hate to be a City or Chelsea and just buy anything that moves. (Often to the point of buying players just so other clubs can't have them just because.). But without that serious financial backing, I just don't see how you get back up there. And the more years you spend out of the Champions League, whilst the your 'competitors' are in it, the wider that financial gap gets.

Season's like 2 years ago are fewer and further between these days. That's what makes it still so sickly frustrating to come to terms with. 3 games to go in our own hands and we threw it away. The whole landscape could of been so much different right here, right now if momentum had carried over into last season off the back of # 19.

Gods honest, I'm truly not sure when we'll next be that close again. If ever. I'm just real glad and feel so fortunate I've seen Liverpool pick up the league as I'd hate to be of todays generation and potentially never see that. That sounds dramatic but we're on 25 years now and as far away as we've ever been.

Ironic how we laughed at Utd through their 26 year barren patch. We're looking like we'll blow that out of the water and then some.

The problem is the relaxation of FFP rules. If I were Liverpool (or Chelsea owners to a great extent, or any of the smaller teams really), I'd be rightly ****** off that the goalposts have moved. You can't just change the rules because you feel like it, especially when the majority of clubs have planned a business and financial model for a three to five year period around them.

You can't really blame FSG when they came to the club with a plan to develop young talent and break into the top four while the other squads aged and held little regard to the future. They succeeded temporarily and would have had more optimism going into next season, but now you just cannot compete.

I haven't even seen much of a fuss about the changes to FFP either, but I'm livid. You can't just make a rule and then change it for no apparent reason, other than to please the rich and the powerful! Ridiculous state of affairs with that and FIFA too, it's just destroying the game we all once loved so much.