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I did see this on Twitter which made me laugh...

Torres broke my heart; Luis made it hard to love again. Sterling's just a fling with girl who, ok has a nice pair, but is never meeting mum.
 
So the only way to grow as a team is to follow the Chelsea and Man City Model? Spend 100m every summer for 3-4 years until we create a good team?

Not at all. The strategy in place can work, it can bring us to the top - potentially. But in order for it to work, some of the money saved on buying talents instead of established world class players must be spent on wages in order to keep them at the club.

We have a very good, young squad at the moment. Players like Moreno, Sakho, Henderson, Can, Coutinho, Sterling and Ibe can all become top class players, one could even argue that some of them already are. But we obviously need to keep them in order to move forward, we have to stop taking one step backwards every time we take a step forward. The future for Liverpool should be to keep their up-and-coming talents like the players mentioned, and adding the occasional class player who is just a step or two away from becoming world class. Torres and Suarez are prime examples of such players, they both became world class at Liverpool. They both cost around £22m, so they weren't too expensive. If we could add a player like Dybala or Lacazette this summer, we would take a step forward. But if we sell Sterling and buy a player like Will Hughes, we'll take a step backwards if moving at all.
 
Really? I find that very hard to believe.

Pure delusion from him, both liverpool and united have massive fan bases because of how successful both clubs are. Same with arsenal they have a massive non London fan base, Chelsea numbers have grown massively since 2005 and **** even city have a ton of new fans who aren't from Manchester, Stockport etc.
 
Nah mate we're massive because of the 80s not our philosophy. Ten years ago we won the CL with direct football.
 
I did see this on Twitter which made me laugh...

Torres broke my heart; Luis made it hard to love again. Sterling's just a fling with girl who, ok has a nice pair, but is never meeting mum.

I disagree. Allowing Sterling to leave could be the biggest mistake of them all.
 
I disagree. Allowing Sterling to leave could be the biggest mistake of them all.

No doubt he has the potential to be world class but he is nowhere near that level of Torres/Suarez when they left

If we did receive a large sum of money then it could turn out okay (provided we spent it correctly)... Saying all of that, I obviously would prefer it if he stayed
 
Nah mate we're massive because of the 80s not our philosophy. Ten years ago we won the CL with direct football.
I know that most of the fans were made during that period and yeah we won UCL 10 years ago but that is not enough. LFC is growing as a club and that is not because we win the BPL or the UCL once every 10-15 years is not enough. Obviously there is something more that attracts supporters. If it was just trophies then why the team fan base is growing every year? Of course trophies do help but in Liverpool's case obviously there is something else since we lack of current success apart from than amazing UCL final. maybe is the fact we try as an underdog to compete with all these teams spending millions every summer i don't know....
 
No doubt he has the potential to be world class but he is nowhere near that level of Torres/Suarez when they left

If we did receive a large sum of money then it could turn out okay (provided we spent it correctly)... Saying all of that, I obviously would prefer it if he stayed

No doubt their class was far superior to Sterling, buy they were (one of) the worlds best at the time they left Liverpool. Losing Sterling now when he's so close to becoming world-class (remember Gareth Bale?), is like admiting that we cannot compete with the worlds elite. Which not only damages our ego but also makes us less inviting to the big players we're "chasing", Higuain etc.

I think anything below £50m is a slap in the face for Sterling. I know everyone has been saying "Oh but, Ibe, he's like amazing and has the potential to have the potential Sterling has".. And then what? He leaves? Great. We will be in the exact same position in 2 or 3 years time.

For those with short memories, Sterling was not born a Red, he was brought into the youth academy at 16(?) and he owes us virtually nothing. I don't blame him one bit for trying to vacate Anfield but I do have an issue with the way he's handled himself. But I suppose it's easier to accuse a player of greed than it is to accuse a club of being unambitious. Nobody is bigger than the club and that's a sentiment I completely agree with. However, to be losing stars at the age of 20 is an embarrassment.
 
Not at all. The strategy in place can work, it can bring us to the top - potentially. But in order for it to work, some of the money saved on buying talents instead of established world class players must be spent on wages in order to keep them at the club.

We have a very good, young squad at the moment. Players like Moreno, Sakho, Henderson, Can, Coutinho, Sterling and Ibe can all become top class players, one could even argue that some of them already are. But we obviously need to keep them in order to move forward, we have to stop taking one step backwards every time we take a step forward. The future for Liverpool should be to keep their up-and-coming talents like the players mentioned, and adding the occasional class player who is just a step or two away from becoming world class. Torres and Suarez are prime examples of such players, they both became world class at Liverpool. They both cost around £22m, so they weren't too expensive. If we could add a player like Dybala or Lacazette this summer, we would take a step forward. But if we sell Sterling and buy a player like Will Hughes, we'll take a step backwards if moving at all.

I agree with that but is not easy to keep your players when you receive big offers or you don't fullfill their ambitions. Borrusia Dortmund for example had Lewandowski and Gotze who both went to Bayer Munchen because 1st for Gotze at least Bayer Munchen offered loads of money 2nd they Bayer can fulfill their personal ambitions. Torres when left for Chealse he won UCL europa league and BPL Suarez has plenty of time to win UCL and the Spanish League. When a good offer in the future will come for the players you mentioned the only who is able to say no will someone who loves the team like Steven Gerrard did in the past. The rest will say look you will get 50£ for me is a great offer and if you do not accept it you will have a disappointed player in the team so it's a loose-loose situation so you better let me go. Happened with Torres and Suarez.... the situation it is not that simple
 
No doubt their class was far superior to Sterling, buy they were (one of) the worlds best at the time they left Liverpool. Losing Sterling now when he's so close to becoming world-class (remember Gareth Bale?), is like admiting that we cannot compete with the worlds elite. Which not only damages our ego but also makes us less inviting to the big players we're "chasing", Higuain etc.

I think anything below £50m is a slap in the face for Sterling. I know everyone has been saying "Oh but, Ibe, he's like amazing and has the potential to have the potential Sterling has".. And then what? He leaves? Great. We will be in the exact same position in 2 or 3 years time.

For those with short memories, Sterling was not born a Red, he was brought into the youth academy at 16(?) and he owes us virtually nothing. I don't blame him one bit for trying to vacate Anfield but I do have an issue with the way he's handled himself. But I suppose it's easier to accuse a player of greed than it is to accuse a club of being unambitious. Nobody is bigger than the club and that's a sentiment I completely agree with. However, to be losing stars at the age of 20 is an embarrassment.

I completely agree with you, but the past 5-10 years have already made us less appealing and losing Gerrard in the summer will only add to that unfortunately
 
No doubt he has the potential to be world class but he is nowhere near that level of Torres/Suarez when they left

If we did receive a large sum of money then it could turn out okay (provided we spent it correctly)... Saying all of that, I obviously would prefer it if he stayed

We're gonna be saying the same thing every time. "If we get a lot of money, we could come out on top". Well guess what, usually we don't. Fowler left and we got Owen. Owen left early and we got who? Cisse? Baros? That's a joke. Who did we replace Torres with? Carroll. And who did we replace Suarez with? Balotelli and Lambert?

And who are we gonna replace Sterling with? Ibe? Then who is gonna replace Ibe when he leaves? Don't you see how this is a neverending loop of us ******* ourselves over, and constantly reassuring ourselves it's gonna be OK, it's the players' fault etc? Maybe it's time to assess our ambitions.
 
I agree with that but is not easy to keep your players when you receive big offers or you don't fullfill their ambitions. Borrusia Dortmund for example had Lewandowski and Gotze who both went to Bayer Munchen because 1st for Gotze at least Bayer Munchen offered loads of money 2nd they Bayer can fulfill their personal ambitions. Torres when left for Chealse he won UCL europa league and BPL Suarez has plenty of time to win UCL and the Spanish League. When a good offer in the future will come for the players you mentioned the only who is able to say no will someone who loves the team like Steven Gerrard did in the past. The rest will say look you will get 50£ for me is a great offer and if you do not accept it you will have a disappointed player in the team so it's a loose-loose situation so you better let me go. Happened with Torres and Suarez.... the situation it is not that simple

And that's the key here: "don't fulfill their ambitions". That's exactly our problem. And if we keep doing the same thing over and over, we're never gonna fulfill the ambitions of top players.

There's nothing wrong with selling top players if they're the right age and it's the right offer. United sold Ronaldo, and they coped just fine. But they had Ferguson and a team machine, we don't have that. But to sell your brightest talent at the age of 20? That's an admission of failure on the club's part. That's saying "we're happy to do good deals, trophies aren't that important".
 
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I completely agree with you, but the past 5-10 years have already made us less appealing and losing Gerrard in the summer will only add to that unfortunately


Yup. Not really relevant to the point I was making though.

Stop making out like Sterling leaving isn't a big deal. It is. Not aimed at you, just certain people in this thread and Liverpool fans in general.
 
Paul Merson gives his thoughts about the Sterling situation, and he makes a lot of sense:


Liverpool star Raheem Sterling is just one bad decision from ruining his career
I'M desperately worried for Raheem Sterling - and that's worrying in itself!

Why should I give a **** about a young kid who's turning his nose up at a £100,000 a week pay packet?

But my problem with the fiasco going on at Liverpool is that I know this boy is just one bad decision from potentially shunting his career into the sidings.

At 20 you have to cut anyone a bit of slack. But what he - and his advisors - are thinking of, is just mind-blowing. It's madness.

Sterling will end up a very rich young man come what may but if he came to me for advice, I'd take him a few places and show him how things can go wrong so quickly.

I'd ask him to have a word with Scott Sinclair, one of our brightest young prospects now trying to rebuild his career at Aston Villa after a couple of years of hardly kicking a ball at Manchester City.

I'd show him Shaun Wright-Phillips sitting on the bench at QPR and then tell him to go and have a word with Christian Benteke at Villa who was going to the World Cup as a £30m player, or so he thought.

He was making noises that he wanted to leave Villa, got a bad injury and everything has changed for him now. He's got five league goals this season and the queue of clubs trying to sign him has disappeared.
David Bentley, was supposedly the new David Beckham and ended up retiring at 29.

Then there's Michu on the bench at Napoli. All these players were the hottest thing around one minute, only to see it all change.

And while I was at it, I'd get Sterling to stand outside Anfield and try to explain to hard-working fans why he wasn't satisfied with a deal that would give him in a WEEK what it takes many of them around six or seven YEARS to pick up.

Trust me, Sterling is now stepping into the middle of a crisis that has nothing to do with whether he plays football or not.

He's in danger of being vilified by his own fans when he should be a an absolute hero.

I worry for this lad. I really do.
One bad decision or wrong move might make you rich beyond your wildest dreams but it can send your career on a downward spiral.

Liverpool fans are very loyal and they are extremely knowledgeable. It's a working class city where most people have to work really hard for their money.

You can lose the fans in the blink of an eye. They can't get their heads around someone grumbling in this way and I can't get my head around it either. They deserve better.
Fans don't get it. You are living the dream. Every supporter behind the goal would swap everything they had to score for their team in front of the Kop.

This is all about making bad decisions. When people ask where are all the good English players, it's not that they aren't there, it's just that some have made wrong decisions.

Sinclair chased the money and went to City. There was no chance he was going to play every week.

He's bright, he must have known he wasn't going to play a lot of the time. If he'd have stayed at Swansea, enjoyed it and developed even more, he would probably have been an England regular now with 30-odd caps.

Look at Shaun Wright-Phillips. He's at QPR - I'd forgotten he was there.

Where is Sterling going to go? He can probably only go to Real Madrid or Barcelona.
He can't go to Manchester United. He ain't going to Arsenal because they won't pay. City? Maybe, but £50m plus millions more in wages is still a lot of money even for them.

Why would a 20-year-old want to go to Spain where you can't speak the language and all the other pressures that go with it?
If Gareth Bale is getting stick then that should set the alarm bells ringing because Sterling isn't in his league.

Any agent in their right mind should be telling Sterling to put pen to paper on a great new deal at Liverpool. Why isn't that happening?
He'd only be 24 when that finished. If he's that good he will get the move because money talks. Even a massive club like United couldn't hang on to Cristiano Ronaldo when Madrid came calling.

Sterling needs to improve for a start. It's the easiest thing in the world getting to the top but staying there is the hard bit.

You know, sometimes the problem is that these players don't have a lot of belief in their own ability. It's like they have to move there and then, when in reality, if you are good enough it will come anyway.

Listen. I've made enough bad decisions in my life. I went to Middlesbrough for a lot more money than I was on at Arsenal but it was the wrong decision.

Money turned my head. Luckily enough, my move worked out and I went to the World Cup, but that didn't make it the right decision.

Saido Berahino at West Brom is another. He gets in the England team, suddenly he wants to leave.

Is a coincidence they both have the same agent?

Sterling should be warned. He's got it made at Liverpool. Someone should tell him and sharpish.
 

Don't agree with some parts of it, but many bits are true.. The part about explaining to fans about turning down 100k was stupid, imo. Also, living the supporters dream bit. But, it is definitely true that he won't be a starter at other clubs, least, not like at Liverpool, starting week in, week out.
 
Don't agree with some parts of it, but many bits are true.. The part about explaining to fans about turning down 100k was stupid, imo. Also, living the supporters dream bit. But, it is definitely true that he won't be a starter at other clubs, least, not like at Liverpool, starting week in, week out.

I think he was just trying to add perspective to it with those comments. And really, what are you gonna with £140k a week that you can't do with £100k a week? That's greed, no one can convince me otherwise.
 
Liverpool lineup vs Arsenal:
Mignolet, Can, Toure, Sakho, Allen, Lucas, Moreno, Henderson, Coutinho, Markovic, Sterling

Subs:
Jones, Johnson, Borini, Sturridge, Brannagan, Manquillo, Lovren
 
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