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We're slightly better than we were three years ago. In the process, we've spent 220 million.
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We're slightly better than we were three years ago. In the process, we've spent 220 million.
What happened?
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We went to two cup finals, winning one and outplaying Chelsea in the other for what should of been a Cup double. With a top class 'keeper and forward.
Hard to even argue we're 'slightly' better.
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Seville just won their 4th UEFA Cuo/ Europa League beating our (and Inter and Juves) 3.
Ahh. **** you Dnipro!
The 220 million figure is exaggerated because it's net. When was the last time you saw Liverpool with 85 points in a season? The only players from a few years ago that would make it in this team are Reina, Carragher and Suarez. Players like Coutinho, Sterling and Lallana are much better than Bellamy, Rodriguez and the Kuyt of 3 years ago that was near past it. Brendan Rogers is the only manager to bring you champions league football since Rafa. A Manchester United that could spend £150 million quid net was always going to finish above Liverpool. This Liverpool squad can become a real force in a few years with young talents like Sterling, Coutinho, Ibe, Markovic, Suso, Can and Moreno. Jordan Henderson has really stepped up and looks to be softening the blow to losing club icon, Stevie G. People wouldn't be anywhere near as harsh if you hadn't ended the season with that comical 6-1 loss vs Stoke.
How dare you, we obviously made a great deal when selling Agger and buying Lovren for 10 times the fee!
And Reina was only good at the things Rodgers wants a keeper to be good at, so, uh.
FYI, Suso is gone.
I have to admit that the biggest mistake that BR made was pushing out Reina who's only 32. You could easily get another 8-10 good years and he is at the age where he'd be at his prime. The irony is that Arsenal offered 25 million which he rejected a year before trying to push hin out of the door. Daniel Agger was solid at the back with Skrtel in the Europe League days and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Lovren has been poor so far, but give him time. It's his first year in a calamitous defense which has been chopped and changed. All summer signings bar him and Balotelli have been excellent imo.
BBC Sport - Steven Gerrard leads Liverpool squad in Toure brothers chant
atleast the boys are enjoying themselves.
atleast the boys are enjoying themselves.
Looks like that new Pitch Perfect film!
If Liverpool take the Eurpa league seriously enough, that can be won for a route to champions league. A solid striker, keeper and rock solid defended are needed imo.
To be fair, Reina had actually been worse his last 2 seasons than his first years at the club. He won the Golden Glove 3 times in a row when he joined, but suddenly he started making silly mistakes. But considering Mignolet's rollercoaster form in addition to his lack of skill with the ball at his feet + distribution, I would prefer Reina too. Whatever we saved on wages were probably spent anyway with Reina out and Mignolet in.
Agger was also excellent with the ball at his feet, but he lacked pace. I'm not sure he could even outrun me. Lovren has been very poor, and looking at his career one can't be too surprised. He had one good year behind him at Southampton, but when you're spending that much money on a defender at his age, you expect more. A lot more. I can't see him ever becoming a rock for us. A good backup, sure. A decent starter even, but never a top defender, not even close.
As for the summer signings, I would add Lambert and Markovic to that list of disappointments along with Balo and Lovren. Markovic is still young, and I had high hopes for him, but he needs to have a flying start next season if he's to have a future at the club. I've already seen reports from The Times that he could be for sale this summer.
According to Marca we've been in contact with Ancelotti, though I wouldn't believe them even if they said the Earth was round.
And Bild claims that Klopp might reconsider his planned break from football if he's approached by a Premier League club. If this one is true, FSG should be on their knees in front of him this very moment. With their hands folded. Behind their backs. And mouths open.
And Bild claims that Klopp might reconsider his planned break from football if he's approached by a Premier League club. If this one is true, FSG should be on their knees in front of him this very moment. With their hands folded. Behind their backs. And mouths open.
Bild are the German Dailymail. They are just as reliable as Marca. Liverpool have met what was expected for them at the start of the season. Those Markovic 'reports' are from the usual uncredible culprits. Whenever the world 'report' is used, it means bull. Markovic may not have set the world alight, however he's shown promise.
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Another of Rodgers detriments
Three years in and still no solid spine to the side
At all.
They don't come cheap. Missing out on Fraser Forster was a huge mistake. He's the next best thing you can get from Courtois. Top quality center backs are very hard to come by and Liverpool are screwed up top when Sturridge is out.
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Still doesn't excuse the fact three years in, and a ridiculous amount of waisted money in both transfer fees and wages, he STILL doesn't have a spine to the side.
Mingolet was on nobody's radar when we signed him. ****, he was a back-up 'keeper at Sunderland who only got his chance due to Gordon's injury. And we go shell out £ 10 million. We finished second last year with the worst 'keeper in the league, and went through over £ 100 million this past season without addressing the weakest area of the team which has cost us MASSIVELY yet again. As poor as we've been all year, had we had ANY semblance of a solid 'keeper before Christmas, we'd more than likely be sat looking at the Champions League next year. A very poor Utd squad had that and he was the difference in them making the top 4. Mingolet turned it around for a good spell the second half of the year, to his credit; but he fell back again the last month culminating in the last game which just summed up what he is. Or should be. A half decent back-up 'keeper. Who is STILL starting for one of the biggest clubs on the planet. The single worst long term 'keeper I've had the displeasure of watching in a Liverpool shirt from when I first went the match back in '82.
Centre half is a continuing nightmare. Lovren has been an unmitigated disaster. I've never seen a centre half pull out of SO many tackles. The one thing they normally relish. And we unbelievably paid 20 0dd million for him. Sakho has the tools but has been VERY up and down. His lack of consistency and boneheadedness doesn't just go from game to game, but DURING games. Skrtel plays by default as he's the most experienced and solid. Which isn't saying much as he's a continued liability with his recklessness back there. And not one of them has any positonal awareness. The only one that does is Toure who has no pace for the Premier League now.
Now Gerrard's no longer here (who to be perfectly honest, as much as I love him, should have been completely omitted from the team a year back. Games just pass him by now. When your legs go, your legs GO and you may as well hang it up. I fear for him in America. As poor as the MLS is, they're still great athletes out there and he just can't keep up); there's absolutely nobody to step in and take his place. Henderson is as limited and average a footballer as you could wish for. He's your typical modern day player. A great athlete who'll run all day for you. With very little else to his game. Which has shown this year in a very poor team. Last year, when we where flying, we could carry someone like him. This year, when we aren't and the onus has been on him, the majority of games he's been shown up for what he is. Lucas has fallen back to what he was when he first come. Which isn't much of anything. And as for Rodgers perennial favourite Joe Allen ..... he goes sideways and backwards more often than Ray frigging Wilkins. 'He never gives the ball away' ..... he never freaking passes it more than 10 yards and rarely if ever forward! NOBODY has any concept how Joe Allen is even still at the club Yet he's talked up by the manager like he's the best we have.
And up front we have a guy with a horrendous injury history everyone knew wouldn't last for long spells through this season yet we totally and utterly neglected planning ahead for that. And next to nothing behind him.
And that's just the lack of a solid spine through the middle of the team we're talking about here.
To have gone through the turnover of players we've gone through the past 3 years and STILL not have that in place is both criminal and inexcusable.
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Those Markovic reports are from Tony Barrett at The Times. I can't agree he's shown promise. He has decent pace and tracks back when needed, but that's about it. In his defence he's been played out of position a lot, but even when played as an attacker, he's hasn't shown any of what I thought we had in store: Taking on his man, accelerating with the ball, cutting inside, and ultimately getting assists and goals. In fact he's shown the opposite: Afraid to take on his man, and basically no composure on the ball.
Also, Liverpool haven't come close to what was expected at the start of the season. Rodgers himself admitted that, and everyone knows it. How on earth could 6th place in the league, failing to qualify from the CL group phase to Basel, losing in the EL to Besiktas, no cup finals, and getting mauled by Stoke in the final game of the season possibly be regarded "what was expected"? If you expected that, I'd like to know how much money you earned from betting on those results.
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