and we didnt even get out of the group stages...Made up to welcome Barcelona into the ranks of the major European clubs with 5 European Cup wins or more.
Wah wah Juve and the lying French ****bag. Like Nottingham Forest, you've only won TWO!
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I appreciate where you're coming from, even if I don't agree; but do you honestly feel confident going into another year with the (let's be kind) inconsistent Belgium as undisputed, unchallenged # 1?
it will be hard to find anyone good enough to replace mignolet, that is affordable for lfc. i would perhaps say begovic but his missus loves stoke apparently. cech is out of our reach. we have more pressing positions that need filling e.g striker. if we did press for a keeper, perhaps germany lots of excellent keepers e.g zieler,trapp etc...
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Here's the thing with that, that makes it a lame excuse. (And I know you aren't making any excuses but many do.).
Two seasons ago we finished runners-up despite having arguably the worst 'keeper in the league in our goal.
We then proceeded to blow through £ 117 million, on 8 players, WITHOUT addressing the weakest area of the team.
You could well argue, as **** poor as Liverpool were last season, had we had ANY semblance of a solid goalkeeper prior to Christmas, we'd of now been looking at a Champions League qualifier instead of Utd. Instead, we rolled with Mingolet, who turned it around for 3/4 months to his credit; but then returned to his career mediocrity as he turned to *** along with the rest of the team the run-in.
And we're now looking at rolling with him again.
So in two straight off-seasons, and a **** ton of money spent, we steadfastly refuse to address one of the most glaring weakness' on the team. And one of the most important positions to boot.
The 'affordable' line comes down to how you choose to spend what you have. Let's say the budgets the reported £ 40 million. With Sterling looking at going for at least 30. That's pushing two hundred million in two years. And that's not taking into account any other sales that may well happen. And we couldn't find/ afford a better standard of 'keeper than Mingolet who would instil confidence rather than outright panic in the defence? SERIOUSLY?
It's how you chose to spend it. And when your looking at 'prospects' like the deep lying playmaker from Inter we don't need, instead of a position we desperately do; the 'we can't afford it' line falls down.
Goalkeeper is a VITALY important position of this or any other team. And we have a shockingly poor one.
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Oh bollocks. Goalkeepers aren't that expensive. Especially considering how much money Rodgers blew on the market. ****, if he just didn't loan Reina you'd probably had won the title 2 years ago.
i know goalkeepers are not expensive but if you want a proper worldclass keeper then cech only comes to my mind. would he come to lfc i dont think so.
mignolet is bad, but he is not that bad. i just feel if we are going to get a keeper id rather we went for a top keeper than plug the gaps with bogdan otherwise its a waste of wages.
You can't attract the top 5 in the world, but you can definitely attract someone who'd at least become top 5 in the Premier League.
Spurs somehow managed to get Lloris for gods sake. Ter Stegen was definitely up for grabs for a few years before Barca grabbed him. Diego López was up for grabs last year. Begovic might have been available for not much more than Mignolet. Saints snagged Forster for 10 million and he became Golden Glove contender right off the bat. Diego Alves from Valencia could work great too. ****, you could've just signed Fabianski for free and probably be better for it, he has some of the best stats in PL this year.
Plus like I said, letting Reina go was Rodgers worst decision to date. Forget even his goalkeeping, but his ability to distribute the ball quicly with accurate throws woulda been perfect for your counter-attacking team when Suarez was still here.
Made up to welcome Barcelona into the ranks of the major European clubs with 5 European Cup wins or more.
Wah wah Juve and the lying French ****bag. Like Nottingham Forest, you've only won TWO!
Woah.. You are something else.
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Yes, I would be more than confident providing we strengthened the other areas correctly... Mignolet isn't a bad goalkeeper and whilst he could be improved upon, in my opinion, there are at least 3 or 4 other areas in the starting line-up that need improvement before him
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Keiran Trippier the latest to be linked.
Created the 2nd most chances for a defender last season and if he is being targeted as a squad/back-up player, then great.. Anything more than that and its worrying
Created the 2nd most chances for a defender last season and if he is being targeted as a squad/back-up player, then great.. Anything more than that and its worrying
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If he hadn't reverted back to absolute garbage late in the season, which pretty much encapsulates his time here, I'd of agreed with you on the list of priorities. But he did, making the mid season turnaround look what it was. A complete anomaly to the rest of his career.
FWIW, I sincerely hope your faith turns out to be well-founded and he is reliable back there.
For as we stand, until he consistently shows otherwise, I stand by he's the single worst long term 'keeper I've ever seen in red and he fills me with absolutely no confidence going into next year regardless of what's in front of him. He always has the propensity to f-up every game.
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He is nowhere near as bad as you say he is... He had a terrible spell where his confidence was shot and at the time looked nothing short of a poor back-up let alone a starter
But heading into the last day of the season he was in contention for the golden gloves award. This terrible Liverpool defence and goalkeeper that people keep chirping up about in fact wasn't as bad as some make out (although it can still be improved, obviously)
Like everything in this thread, it's usually you and Dilakh2 thinking everything is in crisis and me of the opinion it can be improved but not as bad as you two seem to make out (doesn't mean either are correct all the time, just made me laugh)
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Oh come on man. We tightened up from the defeat at Utd through to the defeat at home to Utd no question. And Mingolet, as has been repeatedly noted, turned around his form totally to his credit. But those stats are misleading as to how a lot of that run went when we were always on the verge of results going the other way. We never once really dominated anyone, and as soon as the one result went against us, it all collapsed. The way the actually games played out we we're never as solid as the run of clean sheets suggested. It's like the way BR was lorded for (stumbling in desperation) on a system that changed the middle of the year. As soon as it went South, he had absolutely zero idea how to change anything to rectify it. That's how much his tactics came into play.
The back end of our side is shocking however you want to try claim it's not. The 'keepers woeful and instills little to no confidence to anyone in front of him. We have as I type a completely inexperienced Spanish kid at right back and a local lad who's got serious injury question marks regarding his future. On the other side we have another in the very long line of modern day Liverpool full backs who's very suspect defensively. And the less said about the shambles in the middle the better. ****, the defence was that bad he ended up putting a fricking midfielder back there to try shore it up.
Statisitcs darn statisitics. They can be manipulated to make anything you want look good.
It's like the throw away line on our average league position the last 5 years and 6th being where we should realistically expect to be based off that so the reality isn't that bad. Hodgson and Dalglish didn't blow through over 200 million to get to that point. The least that should of been expected last year was top 4 consolidation. Nobody, at least nobody sane, expected a title challenge. But to get what we ultimately got made it an absolute disaster of a year which ever way you cut it and to hold up the recent history is a lame out for just how bad and unacceptable it was.
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We were the most in form team in the country.. Just because we wasn't beating teams 5-0, doesn't mean it wasn't a fantastic run... I'm not quite sure why Liverpool fans are adamant on belittling this. On another day people would be saying it's the sign of a good team playing not at their best and continuously picking up results (One result and the fans got on the players' and managers backs - sure that helped)
The defence can be improved but it isn't as bad as people make out.. Didn't we set a record for the amount of away clean sheets on the spin? Again. It can be improved alot, but that's not a bad record for a side who shocking, woeful, a team in crisis, whatever you want to call it
I've been used to mediocrity and the last 20 years bar a few have been mediocre. That is why this season and people's reaction to it is laughable in my opinion when there has been little signs to suggest we should be achieving anything more than that...
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If Mingolet turns it around and consistently becomes a solid, not even good, just solid, safe 'keeper back there, I'll happily eat whatever crow you want to send my way.
But to suggest he's not a bad goalkeeper on his career to date is homerism at it's finest.
But to suggest he's not a bad goalkeeper on his career to date is homerism at it's finest.
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To suggest he is not good enough for Liverpool is viable, but to suggest he is a bad goalkeeper is not
He can improve in areas such as command of area and kicking, but his reflexes, one on ones and shot stopping are very good
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This isn't directed at the above, just running with it, but it's always amused me the last 10 years when people say a goalkeeper is a good shot stopper. Well, yeah, he's a goalkeeper. It's his job! The one thing every goalkeeper should be regardless is a good shot stopper.
Just amuses me when fans and pundits so flippantly praise a pre-requesit for the position. Often to mask whomever they are talking about's glaring other deficiencies.
worst descison rafa made was letting pako go. his an excellent fitness coach, heard ingelthorpe is also being promoted this should be good for the youth players as he knows them very well. only problem is will rodgers give them a chance.