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Sorry, but there is absolutely no way Rodgers and Liverpool are some innocent victim of Sterling and his agent. The revisionism around him is ridiculous and some of the character assassination comes across as bitter. Comparisions with Ibe are off since before we can even really start to say he is better, he needs to have a better season than Sterling did at senior level, bearing in mind he is only a year older.

This idea that Rodgers has been stabbed in the back is rubbish. They knew full well 2 years ago he wanted a slighty better contrac and stuck to lowballing, and missed the point they should have offered him one, and would have got a reasonable deal ie when you finished second. Should be noted the Ibe actually turned down 3 offers before accepting this deal. How much is he on now? That's right the same 35k a year that Sterling is on right now. So expect him to ask for a better offer in two years, only don't be greedy lowballers this time around.

Sterling is going to be an excellent player if the flaws can be ironed out. He most certainly will get plenty of game time, as Navas will lose out to him, he'll play CL at club who take it seriously as opposed to bottling Madrid to play Chelsea
 
LFCMarshall said:
This all started because of money... what's happened since has made him come out with this. The main point from the first offer was that Sterling was worth more than that

Had Liverpool offered 120k say from the start, he would be tied down to a long-term contract now
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Actually had Liverpool offered around 70k last season it'd have been done.
 
Mike. said:
Sorry, but there is absolutely no way Rodgers and Liverpool are some innocent victim of Sterling and his agent. The revisionism around him is ridiculous and some of the character assassination comes across as bitter. Comparisions with Ibe are off since before we can even really start to say he is better, he needs to have a better season than Sterling did at senior level, bearing in mind he is only a year older.

This idea that Rodgers has been stabbed in the back is rubbish. They knew full well 2 years ago he wanted a slighty better contrac and stuck to lowballing, and missed the point they should have offered him one, and would have got a reasonable deal ie when you finished second. Should be noted the Ibe actually turned down 3 offers before accepting this deal. How much is he on now? That's right the same 35k a year that Sterling is on right now. So expect him to ask for a better offer in two years, only don't be greedy lowballers this time around.

Sterling is going to be an excellent player if the flaws can be ironed out. He most certainly will get plenty of game time, as Navas will lose out to him, he'll play CL at club who take it seriously as opposed to bottling Madrid to play Chelsea
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Bottling it yet doing better than the supposed first choice? (but that's a pointless discussion)

RE. Sterling, it has been said by the majority of people on here that Liverpool are no innocent party but Sterling and his agents actions have alienated the fan base. Rightly or wrongly he is the one coming out of this looking worse

And will he play at Man City regularly with these superstar signings City have said they're making? Two deeper midfielders with Silva, Nasri, Aguero, Toure (if not deeper) and any new additions signing?

Mike. said:
Actually had Liverpool offered around 70k last season it'd have been done.
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Without doubt - the 120 figure was based on this season but Liverpool should have tied down as many as possible whilst the club was having success at that moment in time

poor, poor management throughout the club
 
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You're either getting your facts muddled or are being very ill-informed Mike but regardless, he'll soon no longer be our problem so it's a futile debate.
 
LFCMarshall said:
Bottling it yet doing better than the supposed first choice?

RE. Sterling, it has been said by the majority of people on here that Liverpool are no innocent party but Sterling and his agents actions have vindicated the fan base. Rightly or wrongly he is the one coming out of this looking worse

And will he play at Man City regularly with these superstar signings City have said they're making? Two deeper midfielders with Silva, Nasri, Aguero, Toure (if not deeper) and any new additions signing?
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You didnt really do much better, you then dropped all but one of that side for the Chelsea game. You bottled the game, put out a second string side, did marginally better, Rodgers tried to spin it, but then he dropped all those better performers for the Chelsea game (bar Can) and lost that anyway.

Sterling has Navas to face on that right flank. he's going to own it.

Sterling is only coming off worse due to a concerted effort by "true Liverpool" press, the number of ex-reds wheeling themselves out to have a pop, after praising him 12 months ago, is embarrassing.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
You're either getting your facts muddled or are being very ill-informed Mike but regardless, he'll soon no longer be our problem so it's a futile debate.
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Neither actually, but there you go. Agree he won't be your problem much longer. Let's hope you invest that money much better than you did with Suarez.
 
LFC, to answer your edit. When he signed that 35k deal, it had actually been a compromise as he had asked for 45k rising to 50k and was urged by Ward (of all people) to take the 35k at the time. The club then he would come back with increased demands with his performances.
 
Mike. said:
You didnt really do much better, you then dropped all but one of that side for the Chelsea game. You bottled the game, put out a second string side, did marginally better, Rodgers tried to spin it, but then he dropped all those better performers for the Chelsea game (bar Can) and lost that anyway.

Sterling has Navas to face on that right flank. he's going to own it.

Sterling is only coming off worse due to a concerted effort by "true Liverpool" press, the number of ex-reds wheeling themselves out to have a pop, after praising him 12 months ago, is embarrassing.
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I wouldn't expect any other opinion from you on that matter to be totally honest.

There is quite rightly a concerned effort with the way he and his agent have conducted themselves... He was receiving praise twelve months ago because he kept his head down and was performing very well.

Either way, as Scouseinthehouse has said, he soon wont be our problem
 
LFCMarshall said:
I wouldn't expect any other opinion from you on that matter to be totally honest.

There is quite rightly a concerned effort with the way he and his agent have conducted themselves... He was receiving praise twelve months ago because he kept his head down and was performing very well.

Either way, as Scouseinthehouse has said, he soon wont be our problem
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Well yeah, there is no way to spin that game as a positive if you then drop those you say performed better.

There is being concerned, and then there is character assassination and being revisionist. Suddenly he isnt that good a player? From the same people saying he was? Not buying it.
 
Mike. said:
Well yeah, there is no way to spin that game as a positive if you then drop those you say performed better.

There is being concerned, and then there is character assassination and being revisionist. Suddenly he isnt that good a player? From the same people saying he was? Not buying it.
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Maybe because Madrid away and Chelsea away are different propositions and perhaps require a different tactical approach? We tried the Chelsea approach at Anfield against Madrid and got annihilated

Who said he wasn't that good of a player? His form has dipped but he is still one of our better players - but with Sterling it's still all potential even though he is a good player now.. For £50million people of comparing him to the likes of Suarez and Torres being sold
 
LFCMarshall said:
Bottling it yet doing better than the supposed first choice? (but that's a pointless discussion) .....
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Total aside but that was when BR lost me.

It doesn't get ANY bigger than Real Madrid/ Liverpool. ANYWHERE. The all whites against the all reds. Two of only 5 clubs to actually OWN a European Cup. 10 times Champions of Europe against 5 times Champions of Europe. And to go there putting out that side was just giving up on the game before we even started IMHO. The fact that it played out like you noted and was probably our iggest pride performance of the season is immaterial to what we did before kick-off. You'll probably shake your head at this, but as soon as that team came up on the vide board in the Bernabeu that night prior to kick-off I was personally so insulted and so ****** off I walked out and was back in a wine bar down Sol before the first half was over. (Hey, I'm an impulsive Scouser. Sue me. Lol.). THAT'S how insulted I felt that he could do that in such a game, with so much at stake, and with all we stand for in Europe. We had 15 thousand or so in Madrid. We were all over the Bernabeu. And he repays us with that before the game.

To then TOTALLY contradict himself on the Saturday compounding it was beyond the pale.

He alleged that he'd made the changes agains Madrid as players weren't cutting it and didn't deserve their place and he picked the side he thought could get a result. Those players then played their socks off in a real pride performance and narrowly got beat. So after all that, one would think they'd continue at the weekend right? Not least Toure who was immense at the back in Madrid.

Four players kept their place from the Tuesday through the Saturday. FOUR. Brendan made a complete *** of himself through that episode. And he took the best player on the park, Can, off along with the only other player having a go, Coutinho against Chelsea to massive boos to finish it off.

That was where he really began to lose me.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Total aside but that was when BR lost me.

It doesn't get ANY bigger than Real Madrid/ Liverpool. ANYWHERE. The all whites against the all reds. Two of only 5 clubs to actually OWN a European Cup. 10 times Champions of Europe against 5 times Champions of Europe. And to go there putting out that side was just giving up on the game before we even started IMHO. The fact that it played out like you noted and was probably out biggest pride performance of the season is immaterial to what we did before kick-off. You'll probably shake your head at this, but as soon as that team came up on the vide board in the Bernabeu that night prior to kick-off I was personally so insulted and so ****** off I walked out and was back in a wine bar down Sol before the first half was over. (Hey, I'm an impulsive Scouser. Sue me. Lol.). THAT'S how insulted I felt that he could do that in such a game, with so much at stake, and with all we stand for in Europe. We had 15 thousand or so in Madrid. We were all over the Bernabeu. And he repays us with that before the game.

To then TOTALLY contradict himself on the Saturday compounding it was beyond the pale.

He alleged that he'd made the changes agains Madrid as players weren't cutting it and didn't deserve their place and he picked the side he thought could get a result. This players then played their socks off in a real pride performance and narrowly got beat. So after all that, one would think they'd continue at the weekend right? Not least Toure who was immense at the back in Madrid.

Four players kept their place from the Tuesday through the Saturday. FOUR. Brendan made a complete *** of himself through that episode.

That was where he really began to lose me.
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I completely see this side of it - If you go by names on a teamsheet then we gave the game away

But if went to the Bernabeu with the same team and approach we did at Anfield it could have been a lot worse that the three in the previous game

The game required a defensive approach and it worked very well for a lot of the game.. We even looked dangerous to take a point at the end of the game

But I understand I am in the minority on this one and fully understand people's views on it
 
LFCMarshall said:
Maybe because Madrid away and Chelsea away are different propositions and perhaps require a different tactical approach? We tried the Chelsea approach at Anfield against Madrid and got annihilated

Who said he wasn't that good of a player? His form has dipped but he is still one of our better players - but with Sterling it's still all potential even though he is a good player now.. For £50million people of comparing him to the likes of Suarez and Torres being sold
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I watched both games. the 7 players dropped had nothing to do with a tactical approach. he dropped players before the game saying no positions where a given and speaking strongly of performances doing the talking, then dropped almost all those who had come in and done "sensationally" in his own words, for the players for who had underperformed for the madrid game.
 
Thats what gets me scouse. Liverpool worked so hard to get back in. Games against the likes of Madrid are what you dream of and he does that? Excuse me if I don't buy his bollocks of performances and teamspeak, when he then goes and drops them all anyway.
 
Mike. said:
I watched both games. the 7 players dropped had nothing to do with a tactical approach. he dropped players before the game saying no positions where a given and speaking strongly of performances doing the talking, then dropped almost all those who had come in and done "sensationally" in his own words, for the players for who had underperformed for the madrid game.
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Must have been a complete coincidence that the team had more defensive personnel in then
 
Salomon Rondon and Carlos Bacca the strikers now being looked at according the the Liverpool Echo... Bacca would be a great signing, not so sure on Rondon

Also close tabs being kept on Roberto Firmino
 
I'm surprised really, given that Liverpool are in the market for another striker that you aren't going after Jackson Martinez, well it seems that way at least.
 
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