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Thing is sometimes a humbling can be a good thing, it can show the manager that **** just isn't working but this is Rodgers, he learnt nothing from west hame game and i doubt he will learn anything from this. He tries to be some kind of hipster and it just doesn't work, shame because he showed potential early on.
 
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A good team starts from the back right?
 
zzeezzy said:
It's all well and good asking for a change, but in all honesty who the **** would want to take over this team who is going to be a big improvement over Rodgers and who is available?
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If FSG have any brains, they've already been in contact with Klopp's agent. IIRC he said that he wouldn't mind coaching a non-CL team. And if he wants a challenge, an interesting prospect with the possibility of achieving legend status, then a fallen giant like Liverpool could be the perfect project.

As for this "it's only 5 games in" argument, it's actually 43 games in. Last season was a disaster.
 
Gerrard autobiography.


One time he did suffer a meltdown involving Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson. I went home from training that Friday lunchtime and switched on the TV. Rafa sat down with his usual half-smile. It looked likely to be a normal press conference, but then he reached into his pocket for a piece of paper.


He spread it out on the table and began to read out one 'fact' after another. Rafa kept saying 'fact... fact... fact...' and I could not believe what I was hearing. I was grabbing the couch, digging my fingers into the arms, feeling embarrassed for him.


Rafa started by saying that maybe Manchester United 'are nervous because we are at the top of the table'. I thought: 'Uh oh, what's happening here?'


It seemed so unlike Rafa to talk in such an emotional way. You could see the anger in him. 'I want to talk about facts,' Rafa said. 'I want to be clear, I do not want to play mind games too early, although they seem to want to start. But I have seen some facts.'


Rafa went off on a ramble about how Manchester United and 'Mr Ferguson' had not been properly punished for various misdemeanours. He listed dates and incidents and concluded that 'Mr Ferguson is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things'.


He then railed against the fixture list and the timing of matches being skewed in United's favour. Rafa was sounding muddled and bitter and paranoid. He was humiliating himself. It was a disaster. I couldn't understand Rafa's thinking in wanting to take on Ferguson, a master of mind games, when we were sitting so calmly on top of the table early into a new year.


When I met up with England all the Manchester United players told me Fergie was just laughing at Rafa, saying: 'I've got him. I've got him.'


Rafa made a lot of decisions with himself in mind. He wanted power and control. I didn't like it. Fighting with the board, other managers and the press wasn't the Liverpool way
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'I can pick up the phone and speak to all of my previous Liverpool managers. Apart from one of them. Rafa is the exception.' Steven Gerrard on his time under Benitez | Daily Mail Online
 
Alcaraz said:
Not sure what's the purpose of posting this except to take a dig. He also said Benitez was the best tactical coach he had ever had but obviously you won't post that
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Take dig? Looks like someone is searching for reasons to be offended.
 
sunilvk7 said:
Take dig? Looks like someone is searching for reasons to be offended.
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Indeed not sure how this can be a dig when it's an article that came out last night.

Gerrard is serialising his book, and this a chapter that has just been published last night.

Think he's got the wrong end of the stick here massively, Sunil.
 
Mike. said:
Indeed not sure how this can be a dig when it's an article that came out last night.

Gerrard is serialising his book, and this a chapter that has just been published last night.

Think he's got the wrong end of the stick here massively, Sunil.
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Exactly. Strange reaction indeed. How anyone is not interested in how the players felt after that press conference is beyond me.
 
Rodgers couldn't fault the players effort and commitment yesterday? Brilliant. Then perhaps you'd like to refund me my £45 because I certainly frigging could.

The big red book of B/S and excuses passed down from Houllier to successive managers never gets old. Sighs.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Rodgers couldn't fault the players effort and commitment yesterday? Brilliant. Then perhaps you'd like to refund me my £45 because I certainly frigging could.

The big red book of B/S and excuses passed down from Houllier to successive managers never gets old. Sighs.
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You can't throw your players under the bus in front of the media. What matters is what's being said behind closed doors
 
You can definitely say you weren't good enough. Managers say it all the time. You can definitely fault their commitment and effort because United were average, with Fellaini up top and yet were comfortable for the majority of the game. Partly because only one side turned up with any kind of coherent plan.
 
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Alcaraz said:
You can't throw your players under the bus in front of the media. What matters is what's being said behind closed doors
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I'm sick of it personally. It's insulting in the extreme. I'm sick of the continued B/S excuses from clubs and managers. Come out and be ******* honest. You'd get FAR more respect off people paying hard earned money to watch a COMPLETELY different product than what you're defending if you did.

And patently he has no ******* clue what to do behind closed doors as the same ***** happens week on week. Most ALL of his own making.

'Effort and commitment?' That was one of the most lukewarm, tepid L'pool/ Utd games I think anyones had the displeasure of watching by general consensus. Just be ******* honest about it.
 
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Saying you weren't good enough is one thing. Saying that your players lack commitment and effort in front of the worldwide media is quite another especially when it's a big game against United. That's the quickest way to throw your players under the bus. Unlikely to win you any respect in the dressing room

Especially when you are a manager who has won zilch in the game. Someone like Pep or Mourinho can still pull it off

Laughable to think otherwise really
 
To be honest it'd be kind of ironic to see Rodgers call out on a lack of commitment and effort. Because even if it's true in this case, he still carries the responsibility. He was the one who let Benteke get isolated, put Ings out of position, had Can closer to Benteke than Firmino, and in general lacked anything resembling a plan. So even with commitment and effort from the players, we'd still lose. And that's on Rodgers.
 
Alcaraz said:
Saying you weren't good enough is one thing. Saying that your players lack commitment and effort in front of the worldwide media is quite another especially when it's a big game against United. That's the quickest way to throw your players under the bus. Unlikely to win you any respect in the dressing room

Especially when you are a manager who has won zilch in the game. Someone like Pep or Mourinho can still pull it off

Laughable to think otherwise really
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Then say nothing. Simple. He never had to mention that.

But when you stand up there and bold faced lie it's an insult to everyone's intelligence that has watched something completely different.

Sick of the B/S managers and clubs come out with.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Then say nothing. Simple. He never had to mention that.

But when you stand up there and bold faced lie it's an insult to everyone's intelligence that has watched something completely different.

Sick of the B/S managers and clubs come out with.
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Exactly. There is no defending his comments.
 
Watching Sunderland play Tottenham right now, and Sunderland are just creating chance after chance, with Borini, amongst others, playing a couple of exquisite passes. So why can't our superior players, on paper at least, do this? It has to be the system right?
 
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