The Liverpool Thread

[ajt09]

What?!

I remember BR coming out with the same statements when he first joined. I also remember all the mass fawning and the images of Brendan with Shankly photoshopped. I also remember people saying he could be the new Shankly.

Good words, but absolutely nothing that is much different to what many other managers have said before.

I'm not even getting drawn into this Klopp/Shankly comparison farce. To compare like this so incredibly quickly, is absurd. Yeah it's great to have a feel good factor but chillax. I'm just glad there some Liverpool fans who are more realistic

 

[Mike.]

What disturbed me analysis wise is how poor most of these chances where, mostly half chances. And then a lack of composure with said chances,

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Frustrating night. Just flat, On and off the pitch. Poor defending on their goal. Complete lack of a cutting edge but that's expected down to a fourth choice striker who's still very raw. Sooner Benteke and Sturridge are up to speed the better.

Can't get beat Kazan now. Could do with Sion beating Bordeaux and running away the group now.

Least we'll have better attacking options Sunday.

 

[Subtle]

Frustrating night. Just flat, On and off the pitch. Poor defending on their goal. Complete lack of a cutting edge but that's expected down to a fourth choice striker who's still very raw. Sooner Benteke and Sturridge are up to speed the better.

Can't get beat Kazan now. Could do with Sion beating Bordeaux and running away the group now.

Least we'll have better attacking options Sunday.

Aside from Coutinho, you don't have a lot of creativity in the squad so having Benteke for a change up in styles will do you the world of good. Very interested to see him under Klopp.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Aside from Coutinho, you don't have a lot of creativity in the squad so having Benteke for a change up in styles will do you the world of good. Very interested to see him under Klopp.

And Phil's been frustratingly poor this year.

Firmino is interesting me as to where he'll play because nobody knows his best position yet as he's not had a set one. Being down to Origi has nobody particularly annoyed at the lack of any clinicalness. Just frustrating.

 

[Subtle]

And Phil's been frustratingly poor this year.

Firmino is interesting me as to where he'll play because nobody knows his best position yet as he's not had a set one. Being down to Origi has nobody particularly annoyed at the lack of any clinicalness. Just frustrating.

I have to admit I mainly know him from FM. Did he turn out to be a striker or a midfielder in the end?

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I have to admit I mainly know him from FM. Did he turn out to be a striker or a midfielder in the end?

Firminio? Nobody knows. Rodgers never had a clue how to play him and he never had one fixed position. Presumably he's an attacking midfielder/ #10; but he's been all over.

Hoping Klopp has a better idea from his time in Germany.

 

[Mike.]

Firmino is a creative/goal scoring 10, like Mhkitaryan, only not as good. You don't have a creative deep lying player. Well you would have one in Sahin, but BR botched that up when he was loaned to you.

Problem tonight wasn't even Origi, the actual quality of chances created was poor overall.

 

[Legend Incredible]

Not good enough. It's simply not good enough to create 35 chances against 10 men and not win. That is a lack of composure there. Too much huff and puff, not enough measured ability and thinking

35 chances...like 31 half assed chances and only 3-4 clear cut

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

35 chances...like 31 half assed chances and only 3-4 clear cut

With only 6 on target which is **** poor finishing however you cut it.

That said, we did hit the post and had a nowhere near sharp Benteke miss a sitter. And Kazan defended exceptionally well en-mass and worked their behinds off all night long. They were the favourites going into this group for a reason as poor as their form has been thus far this season.

Just a frustrating night all round. The attitude and effort was good. Just the paucity of the squad with it's share of average players he inherited let us down. When the manager is talking about the players 'confidence', that tells you all you need to know about the fragile group he's inherited. And that rolled over into them falling back on what they've been conditioned to do and playing slow and safe which is going to take time to change.

Phil needs to up his game massively. Outside of a Worldie at Stoke he's been real poor this year. Do the simple things lid and stop trying to be the superstar. 'The Welsh Xavi' showed yet again why he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football pitch. Let alone in our colours. (Lucas was a BIG step up when he replaced him.). Lallana had another decent game. Mingolet continued to be respectable which is a pleasant if shocking change. And I'd still love someone to tell me exactly what we've gained in the Milner pick-up. And whomever keeps allowing him anywhere near ANY dead-ball wants shooting. He can't take a corner or free kick to save his life.

All things considered, with the newness of it all, the major injuries (not least up front where there's currently no cutting edge until Benteke and Sturridge are upto fitness), and an opposition who aren't half as bad as is being made out; it was just a frustrating rather than maddening night. Carlisle we had a similar disparity in shots and chances. Yet never looked like scoring and they were most all long range hit and hope flying wide or over the bar. Sion last time out in Europe you were just left utterly deflated and flat expecting to go out.

Last night, coming out, it was just frustration rather than annoyance as you know there's now a plan and direction that will only improve the more they work together and get the better players fit. Attack wise it is what is until players return.

Benteke, Firmino and (for the love of God PLEASE) Sturridge should be another step nearer fitness Sunday to add to the attacking options along with another few days work so hopefully that will go up a notch.

I'd air on another draw if we're still down to using Origi and Firmino not's fit to start. But then it's a step forward in itself when you're confident of the team being organised enough to give you that.

Imperative we don't get beat in Kazan now but provided we don't, qualification is still well within reach. Be a help if Sion won again to wrap it up like and not be arsed the last game.

 

[Mike.]

The quality of the chances was horrible. But you cannot blame it on the averageness of the squad, you had a 10 man advantage for over an hour. To not win is poor on all sides, because you had more than enough out there. No composure shown out there at all.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

The quality of the chances was horrible. But you cannot blame it on the averageness of the squad, you had a 10 man advantage for over an hour. To not win is poor on all sides, because you had more than enough out there. No composure shown out there at all.

You seem a lot angrier on our display than any Liverpudlian taking everything into consideration 10 days or so into this new regime.

Not despondent at all at the way this has started out. We know we should be beating a 10 man side for over half the game but that will come. Klopp will eventually kick this team into overdrive which was never happening in a million years the way we were falling the previous regime. But again, they defended en-masse real well and were the favourites going into this group for a reason so let's not just flippantly dismiss Kazan.

There's noticeable differences already that anyone not seeing obviously didn't have to sit through the tedium of the last year and a half. The fact those differences aren't making this team anywhere near great right now tells you just HOW bad it had gotten.

Small progression that will improve as it goes.

 

[LFCMarshall]

Really good to see Sakho getting some recognition though - he is without doubt our best CB, and by some margin.

 

[Anthony]

You seem a lot angrier on our display than any Liverpudlian

Doesn't come across as angry to me?
Just somebody making astute observations.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Doesn't come across as angry to me?
Just somebody making astute observations.

Without taking everything in context.

But it's all good. We're satisfied all things considered and looking forward to Sunday.

 

[Vanjagl]

You seem a lot angrier on our display than any Liverpudlian taking everything into consideration 10 days or so into this new regime.

Not despondent at all at the way this has started out. We know we should be beating a 10 man side for over half the game but that will come. Klopp will eventually kick this team into overdrive which was never happening in a million years the way we were falling the previous regime. But again, they defended en-masse real well and were the favourites going into this group for a reason so let's not just flippantly dismiss Kazan.

There's noticeable differences already that anyone not seeing obviously didn't have to sit through the tedium of the last year and a half. The fact those differences aren't making this team anywhere near great right now tells you just HOW bad it had gotten.

Small progression that will improve as it goes.

You would be even more angry if that kind of performance was under BR.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

You would be even more angry if that kind of performance was under BR.

Now you're missing the point.

There's noticeable differences and hope under Klopp. There never was the last year or so under Rodgers. We know the work that needs doing. But with key players out, mediocrity with the rest, and a whole mindset needing changing, last night felt nottin' like the last time against Sion. The attitude of the players was good. We just lacked the needed quality which will come.

Previous, that attitude and organisation seen the first two wasn't there.

Nobody is suggesting last night was great. But the vast majority aren't too despondent when you take everything into consideration and what differences we've seen in the side.

All in stages.

 

[Dannybell2011]

on a better note the crowd was booming last night even after ruben scored the chants kept coming

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

on a better note the crowd was booming last night even after ruben scored the chants kept coming

Wouldn't go as far as 'booming', but it was a WHOLE lot better than it has been.

Another major difference last night. Belief was back that this will now turn.

Frustrating but far from maddening.

 

[Dannybell2011]

Wouldn't go as far as 'booming', but it was a WHOLE lot better than it has been.

Another major difference last night. Belief was back that this will now turn.

Frustrating but far from maddening.

well tbh as you say compared to how it was you honestly could say booming, loved sakhos chant sakho sakho first time ive heard that one