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Ronaldinho on Firmino :

The 24-year-old, who was often been used as a centre forward this season, has found the net five times in the Premier League - with four of those coming in his last four games - and contributed five assists.


"I didn't ever question if he would be a great player for Liverpool, I knew that he would be," Ronaldinho told the Daily Mirror.


"He's one of the best at what he does in the world. He's in the same class as Ozil, [David] Silva, Iniesta, and all the other great players who play that role.

He's the player that I'm sure Klopp will build his new Liverpool team around.


"Klopp is one of the best coaches in the world, he will know that Liverpool need better players, he will know that Firmino will need better players around him to get the most out of his game.


"I'm sure when he joined Liverpool, Klopp was promised he could bring in his own players, and with Firmino at the centre of the team, there's no reason Liverpool cannot challenge once again."
 
Subtle said:
They haven't though. They clearly told people that he was going to be available in the summer, this was the price (38m), that's how it was. From what I understand, this is why we didn't lodge an official bid. You however, went in there and poked the sleeping lion by offering 38m now. Then he came out with that utterly stupid interview and the combination of the two, despite Akhmetov telling you not this window, has caused them to become pretty ****** off. Fair bit of blame for the club and the player really.
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If you (Chelsea), or anyone else for that matter, would of gone straight in with upwards of £38 million, I'm pretty sure the price would then of (mysteriously) jumped up again.

They patently wanted a bidding war to get upwards of the £50 million it now turns out his release clause is and outside of that the owner had little intention on selling as they're locked in a title fight with Kiev and have Europe coming back up.

Happens time and again dealing with the mobsters out that part of the World.

I might be wrong on that but that's what everythings appeared right through.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
If you (Chelsea), or anyone else for that matter, would of gone straight in with upwards of £38 million, I'm pretty sure the price would then of (mysteriously) jumped up again.
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Of course it would, because he was never available for 38m this window, that was the price they quoted for the summer and the club made it very clear that if he wanted to leave in this window the release clause would need to be met because they would not willingly give him up. They were two separate possibilities, you tried to combine the best elements of both into one deal and they justifiably told you to sod off.

They patently wanted a bidding war to get upwards of the £50 million it now turns out his release clause is and outside of that the owner had little intention on selling as they're locked in a title fight with Kiev and have Europe coming back up.
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They already basically said they will sell in the summer but they need him to finish the campaign. They have been saying that ever since we were linked to him in November.


Happens time and again dealing with the mobsters out that part of the World.
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It's nothing to do with being mobsters, they were very clear about what they would accept and when, and you guys basically ignored it and tried to force the transfer under your terms, as did the player himself with that stupid interview. You might get away trying to bully a club like Southampton with that sort of thing, but here you're dealing with someone that is more than willing to tell you where to stick your offer. Shakhtar have a history of refusing to bow to player pressure and of not being intimidated by pretty much anyone. You only need to look at the Fernandinho deal. They bent City over for every penny they wanted there, refused to compromise and even made the player himself effectively pay £4m to be transferred.

If anything, the ones acting like mobsters are Liverpool. Declaring interest and making a lowball bid in order to get the player come out and say he wants to leave, forcing the selling club into a ****** position. That's why I commented on Sterling, because you guys had a fit the second he got his head turned by City, yet you do exactly the same thing to everyone else. You even did it to Lacazette in the summer iirc. Which is how it goes really, that's the game and everyone else does it. The hypocrisy is the funny part.

(for the record, the cases are obviously not the same as Sterling really pushed his through but the overwhelming principle is the same)
 
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Interesting theory. Not going to debate it because it just goes around in circles. (And usually ends with your tired stichk of looking for bites on £terling.).

So we'll leave it as probably another one lost and being stung again by mobs ..... uhmmm, the underhand way of the World out there. (Better?).

Not it quite as bad as Koplenko (Sp?) I guess where we met his release clause and the mobs ...... Sorry, completely above board owner refused to sign the paperwork to let him leave so there is that.
 
Average Joe said:
Ronaldinho on Firmino :

The 24-year-old, who was often been used as a centre forward this season, has found the net five times in the Premier League - with four of those coming in his last four games - and contributed five assists.


"I didn't ever question if he would be a great player for Liverpool, I knew that he would be," Ronaldinho told the Daily Mirror.


"He's one of the best at what he does in the world. He's in the same class as Ozil, [David] Silva, Iniesta, and all the other great players who play that role.

He's the player that I'm sure Klopp will build his new Liverpool team around.


"Klopp is one of the best coaches in the world, he will know that Liverpool need better players, he will know that Firmino will need better players around him to get the most out of his game.


"I'm sure when he joined Liverpool, Klopp was promised he could bring in his own players, and with Firmino at the centre of the team, there's no reason Liverpool cannot challenge once again."
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I love Ronaldinho, him Ronaldo and Zizou are my top 3players of all time (not saying they're the best just my personal favourites that I grew up watching etc.) But **** me you have to wonder what he is talking about. I like Firmino and out of the Pool's AM's he is the best for me but he is no where near the class of the 3 players mentioned. That is 3 genuine world lass players who between them have won everything there is to win. They have been the heartbeat of club and National teams, no way is Firmino in that bracket. Maybe something got lost in translation or maybe he just wanted to big up a fellow Brazilian I dunno.
 
Just seen some old videos of Carra and Riise in their prime. How I would love to have them in the squad today. Also got me thinking of my lifetime best Liverpool XI. Mine would be something like this:

XI: Dudek, Riise, Carra, Hyypia, Flanagan, Macherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Suarez, Owen, Torres
Subs: Reina, Arbeloa, Luis Garcia, Coutinho, Agger, Murphy, Sturridge
 
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XI: Dudek
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iamauser said:
Just seen some old videos of Carra and Riise in their prime. How I would love to have them in the squad today. Also got me thinking of my lifetime best Liverpool XI. Mine would be something like this:

XI: Dudek, Riise, Carra, Hyypia, Flanagan, Macherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Suarez, Owen, Torres
Subs: Reina, Arbeloa, Luis Garcia, Coutinho, Agger, Murphy, Sturridge
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Not Reina in nets mate? Loved the big Pole, but I'd think I'd have to go with him. There was a spell there it was hard to split him and Cech as the best keeper in the league. Some fantastic players there.

I did this a whiles back (not sue if it was on here or not), and obviously I have a greater scope as I got back further being an auld **** haha, but I'd probably go something like:

4-4-2.

1. Bruce Grobbelaar. I just missed Clemence. He was in goal my first ever game in the League Cup 2nd round against then 4th division Bradford back in 1980. But he was gone the end of the season so Brucie is really who I grew up with. And Reina wasn't here long enough to get ahead of Brucie.
2. Phil Neal. 'Zico.' The man totally redefined modern full back play into the attacking FB's of today's game. He was doing that back then. And a penalty taker supreme. One of the greatest RB's there's ever been.
3. Rob Jones. Taking a bit of a liberty here at LB as he was ostensibly a RB. But when Evo signed McAteer and went to wing backs, moving Robbie out the left, he was just as effective there. Best debut EVER! From 4th Division Crewe Alexandra on the Friday, at 18, to signing for Liverpool and being thrown straight in on the Sunday, on Live TV, at Old Trafford and completely taking Giggs out the game in a MOTM performance. He was an England International a month or so later. SO unlucky with injuries. He would of been an all time great. Brilliant defender and glided effortlessly up field. I have the utmost respect for Neville, who was as solid as they come at FB. But he wouldn't of had half the caps he got if Robbie hadn't been blighted by injury.
4. Sammi Hyypia. YAY! A cross over! Don't need to add as you have him in your team.
5. Steve McManaman. Wizard of the dribble. He'd of been even more awesome than he was (he and Fowler almost single handedly carried us for a spell the '90's) with the others around him. And absolutely idolised in Madrid. No more needs saying.
6. Allan Hansen. Coolness and class personified. Never the fastest. (Though FAR from slow.). But virtually NEVER caught out of position. He made it look so effortless back there. And he had the ability of a graceful midfielder when he strode forward and glided up the other end of the pitch. Would be my captain too if it wasn't for another Scott. Him and Hyypia would of been a purists wet dream together back there.
7. Kenny Dalglish. Our greatest ever player. Which is saying something given all the greats we've had. And more importantly, just about the most important person there's ever been to many in my City. The way he and Marina threw their door open to a City on it's knees after Sheffield, and the self sacrifice he made for everyone that eventually wore him down to having to give up the job for his own mental well being ..... I can't speak highly enough of Kenny Dalglish the man. Let alone footballer.
8. Steven Gerrard. YAY! 2 cross overs! ^5. Don't need to say anything on him.
9. Ian Rush. SO struggling to leave Luis out (and Fowler for that matter), but how do you leave out our greatest ever goalscorer who had a telepathic understanding with Kenny? And he was our best defender. Just like Luis years later.
10. John Barnes. Need to keep this one short or I'd gush for pages. Most naturally gifted footballer I've ever seen live. Just used to glide around the park. Made even more impressive as he was a big man. For those first two or three seasons he was the best player in Europe. Travesty the ban robbed him and us of doubtless more European Cups. It was 'give it Digger. He'll either beat 5 men and score. Or he'll beat 5 men and put on a plate for Aldo.' Still get shivers remembering how good he was down the left. And when his legs went he was equally effective inside dictating games.
11. Graeme Souness. (C.). Best captain we ever had. Hardest man I ever saw live. Complete, all round midfielder. Leader supreme. A central midfield of Gerrard and Souness ..... ? Talk about 'none shall ******* pass!' Man alive.

The bench would be Reina/ Mark Lawrenson for his versatility to play FB or CB/ Carragher/ Ronnie Whelan. SO underrated. You never realised just HOW vital he was to the great sides until he wasn't there. Versatility to play anywhere across the midfield/ Jan Molby, who still has one of the best foreign player career's theres been in England. And is still one of the hardest strikers of a football and best passers of a ball we've ever had/ Suarez/ Fowler. Who I think is just about the most natural finisher I've seen. Phenomenal record before injuries hit in. Never forgive Houllier for selling him. Eternally thankfull to Rafa for bringing him home.

Manager: Bob Paisley. Up there with Ferguson on their own private plateau as the greatest ever. But ask me in 10 years time or so and I could well be going German .....

You know when you sit down and have a fun time doing that, it just brings home how exceptionally fortunate we've been to of seen some absolutely top draw footballers over the years when you consider how many could of been included that haven't been.

Enjoyed that.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
Not Reina in nets mate? Loved the big Pole, but I'd think I'd have to go with him. There was a spell there it was hard to split him and Cech as the best keeper in the league. Some fantastic players there.

I did this a whiles back (not sue if it was on here or not), and obviously I have a greater scope as I got back further being an auld **** haha, but I'd probably go something like:

4-4-2.

1. Bruce Grobbelaar. I just missed Clemence. He was in goal my first ever game in the League Cup 2nd round against then 4th division Bradford back in 1980. But he was gone the end of the season so Brucie is really who I grew up with. And Reina wasn't here long enough to get ahead of Brucie.
2. Phil Neal. 'Zico.' The man totally redefined modern full back play into the attacking FB's of today's game. He was doing that back then. And a penalty taker supreme. One of the greatest RB's there's ever been.
3. Rob Jones. Taking a bit of a liberty here at LB as he was ostensibly a RB. But when Evo signed McAteer and went to wing backs, moving Robbie out the left, he was just as effective there. Best debut EVER! From 4th Division Crewe Alexandra on the Friday, at 18, to signing for Liverpool and being thrown straight in on the Sunday, on Live TV, at Old Trafford and completely taking Giggs out the game in a MOTM performance. He was an England International a month or so later. SO unlucky with injuries. He would of been an all time great. Brilliant defender and glided effortlessly up field. I have the utmost respect for Neville, who was as solid as they come at FB. But he wouldn't of had half the caps he got if Robbie hadn't been blighted by injury.
4. Sammi Hyypia. YAY! A cross over! Don't need to add as you have him in your team.
5. Steve McManaman. Wizard of the dribble. He'd of been even more awesome than he was (he and Fowler almost single handedly carried us for a spell the '90's) with the others around him. And absolutely idolised in Madrid. No more needs saying.
6. Allan Hansen. Coolness and class personified. Never the fastest. (Though FAR from slow.). But virtually NEVER caught out of position. He made it look so effortless back there. And he had the ability of a graceful midfield when he strode forward and glided up the other end of the pitch. Would be my captain too if it wasn't for another Scott. Him and Hyypia would of been a purists wet dream together back there.
7. Kenny Dalglish. Our greatest ever player. Which is saying something given all the greats we've had. And more importantly, just about the most important person there's ever been to many in my City. The way he and Marina threw their door open to a City on it's knees after Sheffield, and the self sacrifice he made for everyone that eventually wore him down to having give up the job ..... I can't speak highly enough of Kenny Dalglish the man. Let alone footballer.
8. Steven Gerrard. YAY! 2 cross overs! ^5. Don't need to say anything on him.
9. Ian Rush. SO struggling to leave Luis out (and Fowler for that), but how do you leave out our greatest ever goalscorer who had a telepathic understanding with Kenny? And he was our best defender. Just like Luis years later.
10. John Barnes. Need to keep this one short or I'd gush for pages. Most naturally gifted footballer I've ever seen live. Just used to glide around the park. Made even more impressive as he was a big man. For those first two or three seasons he was the best player in Europe. Travesty the ban robbed him and us of doubles more European Cups. It was 'give it Digger. He'll either beat 5 men and score. Or he'll beat 5 men and put on a plate for Aldo.' Still get shivers remembering how good he was down the left. And when his legs went he was equally effective inside dictating games.
11. Graeme Souness. (C.). Best captain we ever had. Hardest man I ever saw live. Complete, all round midfielder. Leader supreme. A central midfield of Gerrard and Souness ..... ? Talk about 'none shall ******* pass!' Man alive.

The bench would be Reina/ Mark Lawrenson for his versatility to play FB or CB/ Carragher/ Ronnie Whelan. SO underrated. You never realised just HOW vital he was to the great sides until he wasn't there. Versatility to play anywhere across the midfield/ Jan Molby, who still has one of the best foreign player career's theres been in England. And is still one of the hardest strikers of a football and best passers of a ball we've ever had/ Suarez/ Fowler. Who I think is just about the most natural finisher I've seen. Phenomenal record before injuries hit in. Never forgive Houllier for selling him. Eternally thankfully to Rafa for bringing him home.

Manager: Bob Paisley. Up there with Ferguson on their own private plateau as the greatest ever. But ask me in 10 years time or so and I could well be going German .....

You know when you sit down and have a fun time doing that, it just brings home how exceptionally fortunate we've been to of seen some absolutely top draw footballers over the years when you consider how many could of been included that haven't been.

Enjoyed that.
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You and ajt09 need to have a fistfight for the title of forum grandpa.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Meh. Evertonian. They're the ones normally running .....
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Haha thems fighting words look forward to gramps reply.

Also FWIW Reina>>>>Dudek cannot argue with the rest of the team before my time but you saw some of the glory years. Mcmanaman loved him and Sounness from what I have seen would loved him in the prem years players like him are few and far between.
 
epic terrorist said:
..... Sounness from what I have seen would loved him in the prem years players like him are few and far between.
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I suppose he'd of adapted like all great players to the era he was in, but Souey wouldn't of last 10 minutes on the park under todays rules. Amuses the heck out of me when players like Roy Keane think they're hard men when you look back to clashes like Souness and Reid the Derby or with Robson, or more so Whiteside against Utd. Difference between those players, and players that went before to the likes of Keane is they did it to your face straight up and could take it back. None of the snidey, gutless ***** like what happened to Haaland.

Quicky on Souness. 1984 European Cup semi against Bucharest. Big Romanian gronk rakes his studs down the back of Kenny's hammy forcing him off first half. Graeme didn't forget, Second half, got himself between said gronk and the lino Kemmy side, and bang, the Romanians down in a heap with a broken jaw in two places. Taking care of your own. Then the return over there, they're all baying for his blood. Seat cushions and all sorts being thrown the pitch at him as we come out. And he's stood there webbing them back the crowd with Paisley going nuts lol.

Just a real leader of men yer' know that's sadly lacking all over in todays game? He personified those sides. If you wanted a football match, he could play football with the best of them. If you wanted a scrap, bring it on. We'll battle with yer then let our football nick it.

Then he had to go ruin it all with the front page of the Scum article. World class player and our greatest ever captain for me. A1 shithouse as a person. Sighs.
 
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Scouseinthehouse said:
I suppose he'd of adapted like all great players to the era he was in, but Souey wouldn't of last 10 minutes on the park under todays rules. Amuses the heck out of me when players like Roy Keane think they're hard men when you look back to clashes like Souness and Reid the Derby or with Robson, or more so Whiteside against Utd. Difference between those players, and players that went before to the likes of Keane is they did it to your face straight up and could take it back. None of the snidey, gutless ***** like what happened to Haaland.

Quicky on Souness. 1984 European Cup semi against Bucharest. Big Romanian gronk rakes his studs down the back of Kenny's hammy forcing him off first half. Graeme didn't forget, Second half, got himself between said gronk and the lino Kemmy side, and bang, the Romanians down in a heap with a broken jaw in two places. Taking care of your own. Then the return over there, they're all baying for his blood. Seat cushions and all sorts being thrown the pitch at him as we come out. And he's stood there webbing them back the crowd with Paisley going nuts lol.

Just a real leader of men yer' know that's sadly lacking all over in todays game? He personified those sides. If you wanted a football match, he could play football with the best of them. If you wanted a scrap, bring it on. We'll battle with yer then let our football nick it.

Then he had to go ruin it all with the front page of the Scum article. World class player and our greatest ever captain for me. A1 shithouse as a person. Sighs.
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Yeah I think he would have adapted like you say he is a leader of men and players like that are missing these days. Less and less leaders as years go on and when they they are found they stand out now more so then ever. I really dunno why either, dunno if its a sign of the times and they get it coached out of them by PR people realy not sure.
 
kitchin75 said:
so what was this article in the paper he did
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He did an exclusive article, when he was our manager, after major heart surgery, with The S*n. Pictured on the front page, from his hospital bed, with his girlfriend. And to top it off, it went to print on the third anniversary.

He quickly apologised when everyone went ******* nuts over it and come out with some absolute B/S that he'd not realised the depth of feeling against that lying, low life shithouse rag in the City after Hillsborough the time he'd been away. (Made even worse by the fact he wouldn't allow any of his frigging players to talk to them at the time.).

Just a horribly sordid episode I can't forgive him for. He's one of us. An absolute legend as a player. Who came back as a manager and everyone thought the success would just continue. Still to this day classes himself as a L'pool fan. And he goes and taints it all by taking money from a paper that stood by it's lying ***** that I killed my own and a **** load more despicable lies, and does the final insult by it being run the third anniversary .....

Loved Graeme Souness the footballer. Little respect for Gerame Souness the man.
 
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