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So found this on twitter

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I mean the way the statement reads that scouse posted this does seem right.

But I suppose the more pertinent question is how much does this hold true right through the ticket pricing with the scrapping of categorisation.

Also we think we have it hard Granada hosted Real Madrid on Sunday, you know how much they charge in an economy thats **** fell out years ago and never has recovered 150 euros
 
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Devils in the detail but unless you think the owners are flat out lying, which after yesterday's completely unprecedented events for any big business I think highly unlikely; then that doesn't stack up as they're adamant they won't be making anything more than they currently are off tickets.

Until the exact details are out, any speculation is futile because it's all based on what was the categorisation. We have 19 different tiers of that currently across the stadium through the 3 different levels. That's a mind blowingly complex spreadsheet as it stands. Let alone trying to predict what it will be.
 
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FYI. It's no unprecedented for any big business. It's not even unprecedented in football. Just premiership football.
 
FYI. It's no unprecedented for any big business. It's not even unprecedented in football. Just premiership football.

This is the thing. People think football is special because it should be. The cold reality though, is that it's no different from any other form of entertainment in many ways, and the methodology used in other fields is now being brought into our game as well. There's a reason why we're seeing club structures change to mirror big business, there's a reason why top PR firms are being brought in by the biggest clubs and there's a reason why football clubs are now dropped into discussions about blue chip clients without anyone batting an eye. It's not right, but apathy or outright denial aren't going to change that, if anything it will just lead to us getting to the point of no return all the faster.
 
FYI. It's no unprecedented for any big business. It's not even unprecedented in football. Just premiership football.

A public climb down and apology is FAR from common in big business or football. And as for football it's completely unprecedented to anything like this extent.

FYI. But you know as much already.
 
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A public climb down and apology is FAR from common in big business or football. And as for football it's completely unprecedented to anything like this extent.

FYI. But you know as much already.

yeah, no it happens in business relatively often. And this has happened in Germany several times FFS. The dortmund one is just the latest in several years.
 
I genuinely don't understand why you'd think Subtle is bitter? If someone has a valuable insight into how these things happen behind the scenes, I'd welcome their knowledge as preparation for what could happen further down the road. That's how I see it. I mean obviously the football fan would support these protests, but at the same time I'd also find it out of place how they backed down so readily and quickly. All he is trying to point out is the fact these sort of people are paid to manipulate us and just be cautious.

There's absolutely no bitterness involved at all-just being cautious

I get it, weirdly. I really do. It absolutely sucks to have to come to terms with things like this. To know that the club you support is run by people without any of the care and emotional investment you have for it. For clubs like United and Liverpool, clubs with defined identities, it must be all the harder. Where you see the Shankly gates and all that they mean, the people with the real power at your club see a logo, a branding tool. You see past glory, they see graphic design options and possible tie ins with future investment. That kind of thing on its own is terrible enough.

To then have to think that maybe you don't have nearly as much power as you'd like? That somewhere along the line, the notion of what the club is and the way it was built into a brand has actually made you somewhat obsolete? Terrifying. After all, you are the club, are you not? If it's not you loyal locals that will fill the ground then who will? Therein lies the curse of the globalisation of your club, it ceases to be your club and becomes the worlds'. Due to how the market works, and how modern football works, this is unavoidable. The club with arguably the biggest cultural identity in the world is still absolutely chock full of tourists. It stills uses the global appeal it has to leverage massive tv and sponsorship deals, to fill tens of thousands of seats every game with selfie stick wielding tourists.

And there's nothing you can do about it. Even if the club cared immensely for you, even if it was fan owned and run with only the purest intentions, you would still need to be cynical enough to leverage that market. It's just the cold, hard, economic truth of the matter. It's such an immense revenue source and it will continue to grow and grow. Those that do use it get the most absurd sponsorship deals and associated fees from it. Look at United and Real to see just how much money there is to be made. You can be right and honourable and refuse to play the game, but no one will care. You are an insignificance to them. Worst still, your club is an insignificance in the grand scheme of things, and that is what people hate. The fact that something they care so deeply about could end up being assessed as an asset and not that whirlwind of hype and passion and dedication it really is.

So I can understand. I feel it too, trust me I do. The moment that will always stick with me is being at the FA cup final a few years back between us and Everton with my old man, somehow getting amazing seats and being surrounded by people on their phones, people with cameras, people in suits. People who were there because afterwards they were going to do a line and work a deal. People that wouldn't sing, people that looked at us like we were mad when we started up with Celery. And I remember the solidarity I felt as the scattered fans there in that section turned to each other and belted it out, the sense of being part of a community greater than myself and the sadness at knowing that something so genuine was being crushed for money.

The thing is, being willfully ignorant changes nothing, it means nothing. It's easier and if you don't play the game, you might feel like you have the moral highground. But if you do it that way, living in fantasy and overestimating your position, one day you'll wake up and discover the power you did have is gone. So realise it, recognise the tools of the enemy and fight back.
 
This is the thing. People think football is special because it should be. The cold reality though, is that it's no different from any other form of entertainment in many ways, and the methodology used in other fields is now being brought into our game as well. There's a reason why we're seeing club structures change to mirror big business, there's a reason why top PR firms are being brought in by the biggest clubs and there's a reason why football clubs are now dropped into discussions about blue chip clients without anyone batting an eye. It's not right, but apathy or outright denial aren't going to change that, if anything it will just lead to us getting to the point of no return all the faster.
Football is a business. Whether it should be treated like any other is a different story (i don't think it should be). But cubs spend fortunes on PR and marketing. Is this double spin? Who knows, it's not an UNPRECEDENTED story.
 
yeah, no it happens in business relatively often. And this has happened in Germany several times FFS. The dortmund one is just the latest in several years.

Dude. We're not in Germany. (Not that the German situation has been on this scale of a u-turn.).

But hey. Anyone can feel free to downplay this as much as their hearts are content.

There's still a ways to go and this was just the first step. But it doesn't take away from the fact you've just seen a monumental shift over a week that's shaken the money men in football to just what fan power can achieve. We aren't half as stupid as the powers that be thought and will no longer just sit back and take this.
 
Dude. We're not in Germany. (Not that the German situation has been on this scale of a u-turn.).

But hey. Anyone can feel free to downplay this as much as their hearts are content.

There's still a ways to go and this was just the first step. But it doesn't take away from the fact you've just seen a monumental shift over a week that's shaken the money men in football to just what fan power can achieve. We aren't half as stupid as the powers that be thought and will no longer just sit back and take this.

Did you actually bother to read my initial post, or did you just get het up for no reason at all. Both patronising and wrong in the same post, brilliant. Moving on.

I wish it was monumental, but it really isnt. Watford, Everton etc already treat their fans well without the fanfare, Watford actually said they would go for £30 away tickets. Far to early to see if it's any kind of turning point.
 
Ditto Mike. You're comstently doing everything thing you've just accused me of.

But hey. You think you're right on this in the face of everything that's happened so continue on.

*Edit* And using the clubs we've consistently subsidised for years with categorisation is a **** poor basis of a comparison.
 
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There's still a ways to go and this was just the first step. But it doesn't take away from the fact you've just seen a monumental shift over a week that's shaken the money men in football to just what fan power can achieve. We aren't half as stupid as the powers that be thought and will no longer just sit back and take this.

I don't want to be harsh, but the relevant parties find this hilarious, I can guarantee you. The reason I brought up what I do isn't for some weird boast, it's because I literally deal with these people on a daily basis for work, pleasure and leisure. It's not some conspiracy theory, just the truth. There is no secret meeting between the secret overlords of the world, but there are numerous parties and social events where things like this come up, where people talk and brag and boast. How they managed to get the plebs to think this, how they not only sealed the deal but made them grateful for it. That is the gold standard in marketing, the holy grail. To convince people not only to do what they want, but to make them think it was their idea and their triumph in fact. Like I said, look at politics. If you can't see it in your club or in the sport, and I understand that, look at the smug grin Cameron's face when he screws over the next group on his list and the country swallows it. You only need to look at the fact that they're peddling an excessive harsh system of cuts and not only getting away with it, but people are applauding them for doing "what's needed", despite the actual evidence saying it's so unsound that the only reason to proceed would be ideological. Look at how many people in the coming weeks, if things continue, will turn on those shafted junior doctors due to spin. Someone will die because of strikes, and then the people will start talking about the greed of the doctors, how terrible unions are etc. They will have their own health service, the pride of their country, dismantled before their eyes for profit and they will applaud it. And the same people, literally the same people, involved in that, will consult on other cases for other firms. You'll be at a cocktail party, sloshed and a bit high, and you'll spill to someone in another realm of PR the current troubles you're having, and they will tell you how they would do it. This happens all the time. ****, it happened to me last week where, I **** you not, someone managed to solve an issue I was having using classical political tactics as a way of explaining to me what I needed to do (Octavian vs Marc Antony if you're wondering)
 
Subtle, you're not being harsh. You just patently don't understand anything on just why people walked out and the COMPLETE success they achieved in so doing.

But hey, go against the grain and continue to think we haven't and that we're the fools here. It's your prerogative.

I just hope other fans around the league, which seems pretty apparent there's a movement brewing by their responses, have seen just what fan strength and unity can get you and stand up to be counted as well.
 
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Fans have been building on this for years. It's what the FSF do
 
why do you bother no matter what you say he will still think hes right just walk away
 
Significant victory? One would like to hope so?
Unprecedented? no
Monumental shift? Way too early to tell. You still have that majority of clubs making no changes whatsoever yet.
 
Fans have been building on this for years. It's what the FSF do

No ****. And without wishing to blow SOS's own trumpet, they've consistently been at the forefront of that fight and have been looked to by other major fan groups.

But nobody's stood up and made SUCH a stand here to SUCH effect like the past weekend to date. That should be enough of a sign to everyone else to follow suit.
 
Significant victory? One would like to hope so?.... .

The only way it's not is if the numbers don't add up when the full details are passed over.

But the chances of that happening are excessively slim after they went to the highly uncommon (seeing as 'unprecedented' is such a stickler) lengths in football or big business of such a public apology and u-turn on everything a week prior they'd publicly decided to do to leave themselves short in the pocket. All through fan power.

More needs to happen over the next few years as regards prices per se. And this hopefully is the start, at least as regards Boston, of recognising fans aren't complete divvies, that we can't be bullshited and can decipher the facts and figures on a spreadsheet, and won't tolerate being exploited anymore. So the next step is to get back to dialogue and work on that. Which the previous 13 months was all about but they backtracked. Which lead to the past week. So in terms of Sat'day and not accepting what they tried to do, EVERYTHING was accomplished unless the numbers don't add up.
 
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