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Scouseinthehouse said:
None mate sadly. He took over after Heysel in '85 and subsequently the ban. No doubt in my mind we'd be on 7 or 8 European Cups now had it not been for that with some of his sides his first go-around. My one massive regret is Kenny's great '88 side and the next few years never got to play Sacchi's great Milan side of the three Dutch masters. That would have been a purists wet dream and then some.

But alas, it was never to be. Can't tell you how much pride it elicited when van Basten, my all time favourite non-red, said a few years ago they were always conscious, through their dynasty domination of Europe, of never having to face L'pool. Top respect.

I think the only time Kenny has managed the European Cup was at Newcastle.

Paisley was in charge the first 3. Fagan in '84. And Rafa Istanbul.
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so shankly never won 1
 
kitchin75 said:
that milan team was off the chain awsome
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Defo. Completely revolutionised Italian football and dragged it into the 20th Century.

But then there wasn't a player on the planet that could touch Johnny Barnes those first two or three years. Maradona, Platini, Gullit et all in Italy excepted.

Wouldn't like to venture who'd have won if those L'pool and Milan sides had met.

Travesty they never got to compete in Europe but Thatcher was looking for an excuse to hit football and the horrific events at Heysel gave her that.

Dark times.
 
kitchin75 said:
so shankly never won 1
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No. He lost the Cup Winners Cup final in 1966 and won the UEFA Cup in '73. But never the European Cup. He should have like. We walloped Inter 3-1 at Anfield the semi in '65. And then had a disgraceful show of officiating the return. Ball kicked out of the goalies hands and an indirect free kick allowed to be taken direct leading to a 3-0 loss. The dishonest ref later admitted he'd been bribed. Inter were one of the worst at the time for buying off officials.

Would have been the first British side to win it which then went to Celtic.
 
Boss early morning watch from BT. (And kudos to them for making the final this Saturday free-to-air.).

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Been a superb run this.

Toughest group by far the opening round that lived up to that billing and went to the last game with three sides in contention to go through and the other still in play for the Europa League slot. For all the narking from many Reds through the groups, people forgot a group is just that and finishing first or second really doesn't matter save for getting the home leg the last 16 2nd. ALL that matters in the groups is qualifying. You get nottin extra for style and to progress with the mega rich nouveau riche Parisians, and a Napoli side that yet again were the clear second best side in Italy to Juve's millions just served notice, as if it needed serving after the barnstorming run to Kiev last year, that these Reds are FIRMLY back as one of European football's top sides again.

Then, in the first knock-out stage, you get drawn against the mighty Bayern Munich in a tie fit for the final. 10 European cups split equally between us. A Munich side who'd been to 6 straight semi-finals and, albeit ageing, are still a top outfit. (Treble winners yet again in Germany by the seasons end.), A Bayern side that came to Anfield with the sole intention of making sure the tie was alive for the return at their European fortress where home defeats are like rocking horse ____. But not for this gang of awesome Reds who sent further shockwaves reverberating around the Continent with one of the best European displays in our stored history. To go win 3-1 at the Allianz ...... WOW! By common consensus, that's in most everyones top 10, if not top 5, European away's. A boss few days in utterly brilliant Bavaria topped off with a stunning victory like that.

Next up the Champions of Portugal comfortably walloped. Again! They really must be sick of the site of us in that fantastic City by the Douro. Like Munich, they came to ours to not get beat. But didn't have the quality of Munich back there. Really went for it at home when the Reds had to dig in, ride the storm, then hit them on the counter in a classical European away display.

And then the semi against Barcelona. Which like the Munich game, doesn't get much bigger a European tie anywhere. Absolutely superb first leg showing that deserved SO much more ends with a 3-0 head-scratching defeat. Tie over. No away goal. The great Barcelona with the GOAT among their ranks. NO WAY they aren't scoring at Anfield. Already without Bobby, Mo get's concussed the game prior so L'pool are now without two of the best front three in all of Europe. Which worsened through the game when arguably the current best LB in European football, Andy Robbo, had to depart the scene. But this was Anfield. Under the European lights. In our competition ..... NO stage like it anywhere on the Continent and yet again, we made the impossible, POSSIBLE on well arguably the greatest of all Anfield European nights. (Side note- Just HOW many more times are we going to have to do this before people fully acknowledge the difference making power of Anfield in Europe? Still staggers me there's still folk out there who underestimate that arl place every year in Europe no matter hw many times we consistently prove everyone wrong.) I'd still have Chelsea '05 as the best atmosphere personally. But Barcelona wasn't far short and in terms of the game, and everything we had to overcome, that one tops the lot. And man have we an encyclopaedia of them. Still buzzing off that. One of the greatest nights in UEFA competition history. Leading to yet another European Cup final, our NINTH, that just cemented Jurgen's Reds as one of, if not the top team around right now on the Continent. I'm hesitant to put City above us in European terms as, until they start, yanno', actually winning games of European football and not sacking it off at the quarter final stage every season they can't be treated as any serious European power.

Absolutely superb run indeed that was FAR from easy with all the top sides and massive hurdles overcome to get to a second straight European Cup final.

That all feels somewhat anti-climatic given the finals against Tottenham and not the romance for the purists of Ajax- Liverpool. But it is what it is and even accounting for the 'meh' of an English opponent, the stupendous high of going to yet another European Cup final with the mighty boys in Red NEVER gets old. (My 6th with L'pool. SIX times going to the biggest game in the sport with my club. That's beyond mad. WHAT a F PHENOMENAL football club this is we're lucky and privileged to support.). Friday morning and starting the final leg of this epic journey that, the absolute moody **** hole that is Naples aside, has been brilliant right the way through with another slew of ridiculous memories can't come soon enough. With the added bonus, as much as it should be in the other, bigger ground over the other side of the City, a third new ground for myself in Europe this year after ticking two old and new cathedrals of football, Belgrade and Munich, off the bucket list already. Jut adds to the magic of Europe when you get to do something new.

Let's hope the final act is the best one yet and we end this stupendous season by having the best season of any side in Europe this year. Lifting the biggest prize in football. AGAIN!

5 more days.
 
Feels utterly mad to say this given the long standing 'dislike' we have with Derby, but all the best to Harry Wilson and everyone at County today.

Show you belong.
 
why the hate for derby? plus how in the **** do you get all the time off from work to go to finals
 
kitchin75 said:
why the hate for derby? plus how in the **** do you get all the time off from work to go to finals
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Goes back to the late ‘60’s/ early ‘70’s and Derby becoming a serious threat. Al intensified by that P up gob_____ Clough. Shouldn’t speak ill of the dead but I sincerely hope he’s burning slowly in ****. I digress .....

Our rivalry with both East Midlands sides, Derby and then Forest, was one of fiercest the ‘70’s/ ‘80’s for all of the above. And got real nasty off the pitch. The Baseball ground used to be a **** of a place to go. Ambush central all the little jiggers outside. Then you’d get everything webbed down on you the terrace from the Derby fans the seats above. It was always ‘lively’ when ever we went Derby or Forest. Scab bastards! (Old habits die hard!).

Whole generations must wonder where the hatred comes from when we’ve not played either consistently for years haha.

Only using 2 days Madrid it being over a weekend. Friday and Monday. Missing Porto and saving holidays there helped with that.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Goes back to the late ‘60’s/ early ‘70’s and Derby becoming a serious threat. Al intensified by that P up gob_____ Clough. Shouldn’t speak ill of the dead but I sincerely hope he’s burning slowly in ****. I digress .....

Our rivalry with both East Midlands sides, Derby and then Forest, was one of fiercest the ‘70’s/ ‘80’s for all of the above. And got real nasty off the pitch. The Baseball ground used to be a **** of a place to go. Ambush central all the little jiggers outside. Then you’d get everything webbed down on you the terrace from the Derby fans the seats above. It was always ‘lively’ when ever we went Derby or Forest. Scab bastards! (Old habits die hard!).

Whole generations must wonder where the hatred comes from when we’ve not played either consistently for years haha.

Only using 2 days Madrid it being over a weekend. Friday and Monday. Missing Porto and saving holidays there helped with that.
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good to know dont have to tell me about forest scab twats seeing as im from yorkshire and my dad a ex miner well have fun in madrid
 
When I was a kid, every time we drew a PL side in the cups or had England in the qualifiers, the cops in Poland were preparing for match day with attack dogs, water cannons and tear gas. They've only stopped doing that in late 90s when it was clear PL finally found way to control the hooligans. So let's not be rewriting history how the ban was all about politics.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Feels utterly mad to say this given the long standing 'dislike' we have with Derby, but all the best to Harry Wilson and everyone at County today.

Show you belong.
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Hasn't overly impressed me btw. Seems to have a wand of a foot & not a lot else. Probably be flogged to mid-table for 20-ish M. Either that, or kept around as squad option - be ok to take off the bench in frustrating situations vs. deep blocks, but don't think he's by any means a superstar. Brooks looks the real Welsh talent, Daniel James too ;)
 
Tyton said:
When I was a kid, every time we drew a PL side in the cups or had England in the qualifiers, the cops in Poland were preparing for match day with attack dogs, water cannons and tear gas. They've only stopped doing that in late 90s when it was clear PL finally found way to control the hooligans. So let's not be rewriting history how the ban was all about politics.
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That ***** hated football fans (and her decimation of life leaving young lads with no hope and no outlet was a contributing factor to a lot of football hooliganism. That’s not to condone the **** that went down the ‘70’s/‘80’s. Just the stark reality of inner City life under that shitbag), and had been trying to come down hard for a while. Heysel handed her that. No questioning of why nottin happened to Juve with Angeli on the UEFA committee. No just wanting L’pool punishes. She through everything politically behind a blanket English ban.

So yeah, I love you r big Polish mate, but you don’t appreciate the social situation here at the time and the Governments part in the ban. Thatcher was a major part behind that.
 
RhQQ said:
Hasn't overly impressed me btw. Seems to have a wand of a foot & not a lot else. Probably be flogged to mid-table for 20-ish M. Either that, or kept around as squad option - be ok to take off the bench in frustrating situations vs. deep blocks, but don't think he's by any means a superstar. Brooks looks the real Welsh talent, Daniel James too ;)
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I doubt Wilson has a career at ours mate now. We've moved up levels massively from last summer when he had a chance to stick. His poor outing yesterday aside, no doubt he'll have a decent top flight career. But we're now one of, if not the top side in Europe and you have to be seriously difference making to have a chance of making it even as a squad player at Anfield now. Brewster for example, who's liable to be on the bench Saturday. has that. He's another Fowler/ Owen talent. Honestly. Watch out for that young man next year. But Harry you just can't see even as a depth option.

Provided he hasn't suddenly made the jump they've been looking for this pre-season, if Wolves want to give us £25 million or so that'll do nicely.

FWIW, I wrote on him earlier this season on here so it seems a good time to update that and revisit it .....

The curious case of Harry Wilson ......

A really strange story Wilson. Scoring and assisting goal is literally all he does. Often in spectacular fashion. And no matter if he’s having an off day, he has that uniquely invaluable knack of adding a goal contribution the vast majority of games he plays.

His goals/ assist record the last few years since he returned from a bad injury have been phenominal. By common consensus he’s been by far and away the beat player the Country U23’s level for a few years now. Always been this super talent coming through, but it wasn’t until he started adding the ridiculous numbers his game really elevated. (Still Wales youngest International.). Yet he’s never really had a look in under Klopp, who has an open door to the first team squad from the Academy, and is one of the best around with young lads. So much so that he got bumped full time to first team training Melwood, Then demoted back to Kirkby!

So what gives?

I always thought it was probably gonna’ be his slight size or the only thing he lacks, genuine pace, that would hold him back. The ridiculous technique has never been in question. By far the most talented every age group coming through. But then he goes out to a struggling Hull side last year and tears it up the physical Championship. Every challenge hes met head on and come through with flying colours.

Yet still he was flipped out again this year. To turn around and yet again tear up the Championship his first full season as a professional. To now being widely touted as having a £25 million fee on his head we're seemingly willing to deal at.

It's a really, really curious situation.

On the face of it, as witnessed yet again all season, he’s more than PL ready. So what gives day-to-day? I mean the club are still real high on him. Made sure he extended for another 5 years before they found the perfect loan situation at Derby for his continued development. And they would seemingly be happy flipping him to a PL club on loan next year to continue that. But there’s still this BIG arl ? as to why, when he's showing standout, difference making qualitys every challenge he faces. Is it something he’s not been doing in training? They work with him every day and are privvy to far more than we are. His attitude off the pitch? There’s something that just doesn’t quite add up here.

I personally sincerely hope he comes back pre-season and has made that big leap they require as his talent is immense. But it really makes you wonder if theres ever going to be a long term future here?

Really curious situation this one.
 
kitchin75 said:
good to know dont have to tell me about forest scab twats seeing as im from yorkshire and my dad a ex miner well have fun in madrid
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Thanks man. We're going to yet another European Cup Final. In one of the best City's in Europe. To show Real first hand what proper support is all about ..... How could that 'not' be fun? ;)

Conservative estimate is we'll have 60-80K out there for one massive Scouse party. I don't know many people that aren't going. Most without tickets but just wanting to experience everything around another European Cup final. I know the club are working hard, with better organisation this year, to try top the magnificent show they put on in Shevchenko Park last year in Kiev the fan park Madrid with the BOSS Night lads/ TAW et al (Just mad that the Madrid authorities are adamant they'll shut the fan park at 6 with no screens which is fixing to be a major issue for them.). Tottenham won't know what'***** them their big day out. Madrid will be Red and then some.

So hopefully it'll be just that, the Spanish bizzies will be controlled for once, and it won't be as moody as I still fear it could well be.

Out Friday morning into Barcelona dinner-time. 3 hours or so there then a train up to Madrid getting in 7:10 PM. Friday and Saturday in Madrid, then a lazy train down to Malaga late morning Sunday to (hopefully) celebrate #6 in the sun before flying back home Monday tea-time.

As ever in L'pool when there's a final, not least a final for the biggest prize in football, everywhere you go now the streets/ houses are decked out in Red with some belter old flags. The excitements getting palpable after nearly a three week wait.

3 more days to get the final act of this magnificent season underway.
 
4 more sleeps. Will this week EVER end?!!!!!

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Scouseinthehouse said:
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Speaking of Malaga, My team leader is going out there on Friday. Not for the football, was a pre-planned holiday for over a year. EasyJet offered him £500 for the ticket (he paid like £80 last year). Hate to think how much they wanted to sell it on for. Profiteering at its finest.
 
iamauser said:
Speaking of Malaga, My team leader is going out there on Friday. Not for the football, was a pre-planned holiday for over a year. EasyJet offered him £500 for the ticket (he paid like £80 last year). Hate to think how much they wanted to sell it on for. Profiteering at its finest.
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Utterly disgraceful mate. LONG past the need for strict regulations/ legislations to stop this.
 
It's with a heavy heart that for the 34th straight year on this date I say

Liverpool ricorda. Dio resto.

With the help of Google translator from the Italian: Liverpool remembers. God rest.
 
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