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Thought I'd watch extended highlights to see why everyone was raving about Keita once again (thought he was poor apart from one moment of quality against villa). I'm starting to worry that it might not be fitness levels or perhaps it is but his off the ball intensity and positioning in midfield compared with say Gini or Hendo is night and day. One of the reasons why Brighton got back into it was how lazy and how little he done to assert himself after such a great start from him. The weird part is that its something ive noticed for a while now, he will raise his intensity during say the start of the game look good for flashes and you think he has a good game but really and truly it just looks good for the highlight reels but over 90 min he was missing for a majority of it.

People expecting him to take either Hendo or Gini spot in the team are in for a rude awakening as he has a long while to go before he can match them positioning and intensity wise. Personally I feel its just his laid back nature that means he struggles to raise and keep the intensity for long periods. This season coming up will be the last for him to show Klopp he has what it takes because so far it aint been good.
Cant see him making it a Pool tbh. Always seen things in his game in Germany that I thought wouldn’t cut it in a Klopp team consistently in the Prem. That’s why I wasn’t overly bothered when a lot of Utd fans were crying you signed him. Big big season for him like you said. Hendo and Gigi are so underrated especially for the way Klopp wants to play.
 
..... People expecting him to take either Hendo or Gini spot in the team are in for a rude awakening as he has a long while to go before he can match them positioning and intensity wise. Personally I feel its just his laid back nature that means he struggles to raise and keep the intensity for long periods. This season coming up will be the last for him to show Klopp he has what it takes because so far it aint been good.

See when the manager keeps saying 'we already have them in the squad already' to all the baseless transfer nonsense ...... A fully healthy Naby, like Taki, is what he's talking about. mate.

If you think he's on a final season 'show me' situation, I think you're BADLY misunderstanding the manager's unwavering faith in just how unique a two-way talent we have in him. And just what a difference he can bring to the side with a dynamic skill set which, as you mentioned them, Jordan and Gini, as boss in their own way that they are, just don't bring to the table.I'll lay GOOD money that if we're here having this conversation whenever Klopp hangs it up, Kieta is still wearing our #8 shirt.

I can't debate anything post restart with you as I haven't been watching (although reading most every journalist today, not least the few reputable ones left I do respect, it seems a really strange game/performance from him to single out), but he's shown more than enough when he's been healthy prior to that to show just why he was such a hot property around Europe's major clubs and just why we moved so fast and paid what we did for him. If ever you wanted the perfect Klopp player this lad is it.

Anyone that bemoans the lack of creativity and attacking dynamism in our midfield is someone completely overlooking both the aforementioned players who have yet not been able to consistently show their undoubted value. Naby through an injury-hit two years and Minamino as he's learning and adjusting to a still new culture and English football. (I say 'midfield' as Taki's the perfect Bobby clone who seamlessly drops back in there.).

I'll end by quoting a part of Lynch's piece today in the Standard which say's everything I want to in way less words-

'.....It may be a cliche that fans hate but, having been unable to consistently show his best over the last two seasons, Keita really could be like a new signing for Liverpool next time around.'

Absolutely ZERO doubt in my mind that 'NABY LAD' is both here for the long term and a fully healthy Kieta is as good as anything in midfield this league has to offer.
 
See when the manager keeps saying 'we already have them in the squad already' to all the baseless transfer nonsense ...... A fully healthy Naby, like Taki, is what he's talking about. mate.

If you think he's on a final season 'show me' situation, I think you're BADLY misunderstanding the manager's unwavering faith in just how unique a two-way talent we have in him. And just what a difference he can bring to the side with a dynamic skill set which, as you mentioned them, Jordan and Gini, as boss in their own way that they are, just don't bring to the table.I'll lay GOOD money that if we're here having this conversation whenever Klopp hangs it up, Kieta is still wearing our #8 shirt.

I can't debate anything post restart with you as I haven't been watching (although reading most every journalist today, not least the few reputable ones left I do respect, it seems a really strange game/performance from him to single out), but he's shown more than enough when he's been healthy prior to that to show just why he was such a hot property around Europe's major clubs and just why we moved so fast and paid what we did for him. If ever you wanted the perfect Klopp player this lad is it.

Anyone that bemoans the lack of creativity and attacking dynamism in our midfield is someone completely overlooking both the aforementioned players who have yet not been able to consistently show their undoubted value. Naby through an injury-hit two years and Minamino as he's learning and adjusting to a still new culture and English football. (I say 'midfield' as Taki's the perfect Bobby clone who seamlessly drops back in there.).

I'll end by quoting a part of Lynch's piece today in the Standard which say's everything I want to in way less words-

'.....It may be a cliche that fans hate but, having been unable to consistently show his best over the last two seasons, Keita really could be like a new signing for Liverpool next time around.'

Absolutely ZERO doubt in my mind that 'NABY LAD' is both here for the long term and a fully healthy Kieta is as good as anything in midfield this league has to offer.
Those ripping into Minamino dont understand football it takes time to adjust to a new league and new country etc... However with Naby I personally dont think he will make it here but thats my opinion and ive been wrong before and I hope I'm wrong again. He just doesn't do enough thats why I said he started the game so excellently yesterday and then retreated back into his shell. One of the reasons why Brighton got back into the game was we lost control of the midfield that would never happen with Gini or Hendo starting. He looked good on the highlight reel hence why people said he played good, but over the amount he was on the pitch he just doesn't do enough off the ball to justify the magic when he has the ball. You cant carry passengers in a Klopp midfield.
 
Cant see him making it a Pool tbh. Always seen things in his game in Germany that I thought wouldn’t cut it in a Klopp team consistently in the Prem. That’s why I wasn’t overly bothered when a lot of Utd fans were crying you signed him. Big big season for him like you said. Hendo and Gigi are so underrated especially for the way Klopp wants to play.
The funny thing is he is capable of doing the hard work off the ball but I think its his laidback nature or perhaps he still isnt fit enough with the injuries he has suffered on and off. He will drop the intensity and just sit on the peripheral of the game and in a big game you will get overrun in midfield. Happened yesterday against Brighton and its no surprise Klopps preferred midfield in a big game is the underrated 3 of Fab, Gini and Hendo.
 
Those ripping into Minamino dont understand football it takes time to adjust to a new league and new country etc... However with Naby I personally dont think he will make it here but thats my opinion and ive been wrong before and I hope I'm wrong again. He just doesn't do enough thats why I said he started the game so excellently yesterday and then retreated back into his shell. One of the reasons why Brighton got back into the game was we lost control of the midfield that would never happen with Gini or Hendo starting. He looked good on the highlight reel hence why people said he played good, but over the amount he was on the pitch he just doesn't do enough off the ball to justify the magic when he has the ball. You cant carry passengers in a Klopp midfield.

Again, I'm not going to refute that as I never watched the game. Can't debate without watching with your own eyes.

But it is in total contrast to everything I've read and spoken to today who to a man had last night as one of his best games with him nonstop all over the place.
If anything Oxo-Chambo was the one getting any criticism for leaving Neco exposed to constant attacks that side.

I think you'll get another good look Sat'day as taking him off an hour in suggests that was planned for that reason.
 
Talking of Burnley, when did they become the second most in-form team?

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The farce continues-


Just sack the CS off for a season.
 
If you didn't watch the game scouse try and catch a gif or clip of Virgil dealing with an awkward long punt. The way he bounced it of his backward over the Connelley fella and moved him out the way like furniture was oddly comedic yet just mesmerizing. He has no equals the Messi of CB's for me, every single part of his game is elite. .....

This one presumably-


Just big Virg doing big Virg things.

Still cracks me up that Utd went and topped his fee for that very definition of medicrity now madly captaining them.
 
This one presumably-


Just big Virg doing big Virg things.

Still cracks me up that Utd went and topped his fee for that very definition of mediocrity now madly captaining them.
I've watched this 50 times and it never fails to amaze me each time. It's like he is in slow motion with his long strides and the Brighton forward legs are like the roadrunner trying to outpace him. Perfect modern defender literally made in a lab, there are other big lumps in the league like the ehmm mentioned Maguire but what separates him from the rest is his insane athleticism no one that big should move and turn as fast he does, it makes no sense (the acceleration is near Mane levels). I was apprehensive when we signed him as you probably remember, as he reminded me of Ferdinand in his early days getting caught out because the game was too easy and they would both switch off and lose concentration. The same thing that happened with Rio when he moved to utd and the levels expected has happened with Virgil as he has taken his game to another level to the point were him switching off and making a mistake due to it is a surprise. I've always said the best defender in the PL era for me was Rio as he had everything in his game but watching Virgil is like watching Rio on steroids.
 
Always rated him massively highly-

 
Always rated him massively highly-

**** spot on there about Virgil. Also, your Barton comment cracks me up and how he has managed to fool people with his pseudo-intellectual bs on twitter. As I sometimes forget you're an actual scouser (I KNOW I KNOW) but anyone from the area would tell you that Barton and his equally horrible RACIST family should never ever ever have been allowed to make it as a professional.
 

Been superb and a privilege to watch his growth over that time, having followed an almost impossible;e task in many peoples eyes in a club legend as captain (which remains one of the biggest and craziest issues as regards the still mad hate toward our captain), to the absolute picture perfect leader on and off the pitch that you could ever wish for in a captain of L'pool Football Club. The change from 5-years back to now is stark and a brilliant evolution in Jordan to have watched. To now well on his way to being one of the greatest captains we've ever had in our storied history.

Can't wait for the next 'Hendo trophy lift shuffle' a week on Wednesday.

Here's to MANY more of them before he hangs it up.
 
..... Two clubs that fans dont want to see winning trophies taking both leagues. .....

I think you'll thoroughly enjoy this on a player for those two clubs who is madly underrated by the general foorball fan at large.

No need to add anything. Neil Jones superb piece does that and more-

 

Just seen this from you mate in the Utd thread so I'll put this here as some get proper tribal over there and would turn it into a comparison war-

' ..... Edit: Greenwood is the best young forward since M'bappe someone change my mind I dare ya. .....'

*Whispers the forgotten man through injury the past couple of seasons, currently tearing it up in a poor Swansea team, Rhian Brewster.

I've been a massive advocate of Greenwood from U18/23 games against us over the years and England sure is blessed with two outstanding young forwards in future years in both he and Rhian. Who in my humble, layman's eye, is the best of a real talented crop at r's with a Fowler/ Owen ceiling. Not normally one for that level of praise on kids but he's honestly shown that good.
 
Just seen this from you mate in the Utd thread so I'll put this here as some get proper tribal over there and would turn it into a comparison war-

' ..... Edit: Greenwood is the best young forward since M'bappe someone change my mind I dare ya. .....'

*Whispers the forgotten man through injury the past couple of seasons, currently tearing it up in a poor Swansea team, Rhian Brewster.

I've been a massive advocate of Greenwood from U18/23 games against us over the years and England sure is blessed with two outstanding young forwards in future years in both he and Rhian. Who in my humble, layman's eye, is the best of a real talented crop at r's with a Fowler/ Owen ceiling. Not normally one for that level of praise on kids but he's honestly shown that good.
I like Brewster but I would actually compare Greenwood with Fowler and co as he is simply taken to adults football like a duck to water. Brewster was unfortunately robbed of development by that terrible injury but hes bounced back superbly. Just for me Greenwood has that something special about him that edges it for me. I want to see Brewster at a PL level as imo he is too good for the championship.
 
I'm done complaining about VAR as apart from ****** offside calls, its just there to backup the calls of the incompetent refs on the pitch. JUST RUN TO THE ******* SCREEN ON THE SIDE AND CHECK FOR YOURSELF YA DONUTS.

P.S I hate Burnley and there turgid football with passion.
 
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