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Utd and ‘Spurs competing with L’pool and Arsenal for players …..

Have we been transported back to 1999? 🤷‍♂️
 
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Fuckwits! 😡

They’ve done this the last two homes on council safety advice and it’s been a complete cluster F getting in.

There's absolutely NO statutory mandate to search everyone and kick-off must be delayed for any delays caused by this bollocks. They have zero reason to conduct these searches on everyone.
 
Theatre of Dreams83 said:
Why do you even need Sem. You already have Salah, Gakpo, Wirtz, Isak, Ekitike, Chiesa. You can’t even get that lot to gel then throw Semenyo into the mix. Plus that young star coming through. Doesn’t make any sense to me. And just wreaks of there being unrest and more problems getting it to click. But good player no doubt.
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True but a market opportunity is a market opportunity same as when we signed Gakpo a couple of windows ago. 60ish mill for a player of his calibre and prem proven is a good pickup. Plus he can play both sides equally as well. He reminds me of Mane in terms of his explosiveness and if you've watched us this season we lack that direct winger. Either way a good pickup and passing on what ive heard I genuinely think he will be a Liverpool player soonish.
 
dilakh2 said:
True .....
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True mate?

You mean apart from the nonsense of not needing a wide player with currently having no Salah succession plan. Along with him being gone in few weeks time foe a month or so the AFCON. The manager, for whatever reason. not liking Chiesa and him having little future here beyond this year. No left sided competition for Gakpo outside of a newly turned 17-year-old nowhere near ready to be burdened with that?

Or the nonsense about there being unrest and nottin' clicking? Less than a third into the season with absolutely no context at all about all the change and tragedy they've had to deal with.

So apart from the whole post being utter codswallop, what was 'true' again?
 
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Proper nice run now to end 2025 back at the top the table with 5 home games out the next 8. And no hard aways among our travels. Whilst Arsenal and City have it much tougher to end the calendar year:

Ignoring the Palace LC game we gave up before KO, 3 wins out of the last 5 is steady progress after the 4 game losing dip that went before. Now to step it up and go on a winning run through to the NY.

Title races should never be talked about until Easter. THAT’S when they start. The next 4 months leading up to that determine whether you’ll be one of the runners.

The jockeying for that position starts this avvy with a proper hate filled, old school rivalry. And a massive score to settle after last season.

Straight into these scab bstards Redmen!
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
True mate?

You mean apart from the nonsense of not needing a wide player with currently having no Salah succession plan. Along with him being gone in few weeks time foe a month or so the AFCON. The manager, for whatever reason. not liking Chiesa and him having little future here beyond this year. No left sided competition for Gakpo outside of a newly turned 17-year-old nowhere near ready to be burdened with that?

Or the nonsense about there being unrest and nottin' clicking? Less than a third into the season with absolutely no context at all about all the change and tragedy they've had to deal with.

So apart from the whole post being utter codswallop, what was 'true' again?
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True that whatever Slot is trying to get across clearly isnt working as evident by forest beating us 3 nil as it currently stands. Not true that we dont need a wide player as I mentioned.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Proper nice run now to end 2025 back at the top the table with 5 home games out the next 8. And no hard aways among our travels. Whilst Arsenal and City have it much tougher to end the calendar year:

Ignoring the Palace LC game we gave up before KO, 3 wins out of the last 5 is steady progress after the 4 game losing dip that went before. Now to step it up and go on a winning run through to the NY.

Title races should never be talked about until Easter. THAT’S when they start. The next 4 months leading up to that determine whether you’ll be one of the runners.

The jockeying for that position starts this avvy with a proper hate filled, old school rivalry. And a massive score to settle after last season.

Straight into these scab bstards Redmen!
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Sigh... well, there goes that. We actually started the game well, but the Konate bizarre corner giveaway and cascading mistrakes onwards was just a symtom of how slow the play was yet again. 11th in the table is currently unnacceptable for me, and less about the title now, but more about just arresting this relegation form instead of one off games here and there.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Proper nice run now to end 2025 back at the top the table with 5 home games out the next 8. And no hard aways among our travels. Whilst Arsenal and City have it much tougher to end the calendar year:

Ignoring the Palace LC game we gave up before KO, 3 wins out of the last 5 is steady progress after the 4 game losing dip that went before. Now to step it up and go on a winning run through to the NY.

Title races should never be talked about until Easter. THAT’S when they start. The next 4 months leading up to that determine whether you’ll be one of the runners.

The jockeying for that position starts this avvy with a proper hate filled, old school rivalry. And a massive score to settle after last season.

Straight into these scab bstards Redmen!
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There's a reason I don't do any smack talking before matches :LOL:
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
That wasn't smack talking. That was just the situation.

Which madly hasn't changed after today's games. None of this PL season is making a lick of sense.
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How bad was the walkout at the end or was it just typical online fans making it out to be more than it was. It did look quite empty around the 80ish min.
 
dilakh2 said:
How bad was the walkout at the end or was it just typical online fans making it out to be more than it was. It did look quite empty around the 80ish min.
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That’s standard every PL game. People always get off early to beat the traffic. Heck, that was always one of Jurgens big gripes. Anfield is terrible for it as many come from afar and have long distances to get home.

When you go 3 down, there’s naturally a few more than normal get off to beat the traffic or get back the ale. But it mainly just gets amplified more at times like this.

So I wouldn’t read too much into it mate.
 
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I want to get proper mad at them when such abject nothingness like the last hour happens as it did yesterday. I want to scream and rant at the coach and players for collectively being as abysmal the last 60 as anyone can remember in recent memory.

But when I take the emotion of the game out of it, I can’t for all they are dealing with on the daily that has totally broken them and the changies.

So if you are devoid of human empathy and sympathy, save yourself the trouble reading. If you are so cold hearted to think what follows is just an ‘excuse’, this match missive isn’t for you.

Yesterdays admin-

Title Defence Countdown:
6 wins down/ 21 to go.
18 points down/ 71 to go.

For 33 minutes, L’pool are super. They start fast, and Forest were just doing all they could to hang in and survive. If they had been 2 or 3 up before Forest scored, nobody could have argued. The wing play was superb. Getting in behind time after time. Fizzing in great crosses and creating great chances. Salah produced his best display of the year. Supported brilliantly by Szoboszlai who was showing why he was the right, and ONLY, play at RB to solve that issue. Milos Kerkez, for the first time, showed just why we bought him and what a threat he’s going to be from the left. Looking every bit the player he was at Bournemouth that elevated him to one of the best left fulls in the league. AllyMac was spraying it all over. Everything was clicking and Forest were just about hanging in.

And then the set back happens with the joke opening goal. And we crumble quicker than a soggy digestive biscuit and look utterly spineless from that point on.

And as much as you want to rant and rave in anger at them. As much as you want to want to slaughter Arne for just throwing on attacker after attacker sub wise with no structure within that. After starting the continually abysmal Konate again. And not having Ekitike up alongside Isak. (Who had to start. That was the right call for me. Just not how he set them up and the personnel around Alex.). You can’t when you put aside that emotion and bring in the context and cold hard reality of what they are dealing with. The thing that has utterly broken them mentally to the point where we currently can’t handle ANY adversity.

Perspective.

I honestly hadn’t realised just HOW big and constant a factor Diogo's loss was until AndyRobbo gave us a small glimpse into what he has personally been dealing with on the daily with the perspective evidence in his emotional interview after the Scotland game midweek. I mean you accepted it was the biggest of all the current issues and a major contributing factor in how things naturally would be the start of this season. But the enormity of just HOW much it has broken them didn’t hit home until Andrew spoke.

The loss of #20 has completely broken them mentally and any resilience to overcome adversity just isn’t there. It’s why we have no draws this season and an identical win/ loss record. (Which is ironically, mathematically at least, keeping us well in the picture.). If things are going our way, everything’s sound. As it was until Forest scored. But if we don’t get that first goal. If we get ANY controversy like Forests opener. (Which should never have stood if they are saying Virgil’s should never have stood at City. I mean in reality, there was absolutely NOTHING wrong with both goals. But you can’t rule out one and not the other. ). They just don’t have it in them mentally to deal with that at present.

And that is the single most important thing we have to deal with. And the thing that stops you from laying into them. We have a full time grief councillor at the training ground which tells you all about their mental state. It’s totally understandable after what tragically happened last summer. And that’s not to excuse the current S/show. But it’s the biggest overriding factor of everything. And I honestly don’t know how you fix that shy of giving them time to work through it themselves and accepting that they’ll be more days like yesterday to come before they fully heal.

The changies are mentally broken. And it’s not just affecting the veterans close to him. The knock-on effect is far reaching on the new players too.

One of the biggest overlooked factors about the Jota situation that is getting missed is the effect it’s had on the new signings. It must have been like walking in on someone else’s grief and will have made it very difficult to build up that crucial team spirit because the banter that’s so important in bonding just won’t have been there. I have NO doubt, in any other situation bar the tragedy that happened the summer, that £450 million investment or whatever it was would be paying massive dividends now. But it did happen. And it naturally isn’t.

Anyone can call for the managers head at their leisure. You can slate him for tactics/ formations/ personnel selections et al. You can slate individual performances and bemoan unacceptable displays and results. All valid criticisms. And all contributing factors to the current dip.

But this goes FAR beyond that for me. And currently, I don’t see how ANY manager, Jurgen or anyone else, changes things in the interim when the biggest issue is the unquantifiable mental one of dealing with #20 not being there and it mentally breaking them.

Which is why the support is with them. And why I believe Fenway won’t be making any managerial change any time soon. If we aren’t with them at the match ..... If the owners weren’t standing firm behind him and his players ..... we’d be a complete bunch of unsympathetic C completely lacking in empathy for the cruel hand we have been dealt.

This is a really complex situation to tally up and reason with. And I’d hate to be Arne or anyone else having to deal with it and the natural fragility of their broken mentality. And they’ll doubtless be more days like yesterday to come in the interim.

But you just have to keep the overriding reason why in your mind and give them ALL an understandable pass and support them whilst they work through it.

We know more than most any other set of supporters that football, as important a factor in our lives that it is, matters little in comparison to what happened this past summer. 'The least important of life's most important things' as a great man recently said.

Among all the anger and frustration, we will stay with them no matter how bad it gets. Because doing the right thing together is what defines us and is what we do.

Up the Reds! They’ll NEVER walk alone!
 
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It's sad when someone passes away (regardless of the circumstances), but I can't get away from the facts that they were absolutely fine for the first 7 games of the season?

They could dig in and find the strength Frank Lampard had all those years ago when his mum had just died (six days before the match if I remember correctly).
He bravely stepped up to score a penalty after listening to "Where's your mother gone?", sung by Liverpool fans.

I suppose we are all made of different stuff 😐
 
‘Where’s your Morher gone?’

There’s a lot of S that was sung at the time between us and them. That most certainly wasn’t one of them.

They haven’t been ‘fine’ all season. They just scrawled out results. Salah broke down on the pitch the first home for one.
 
Loving watching Arne's PSV presser just then. Proper accountability. Proper leadership. But this line struck me-

'“ ..... But I’m also working at a club, if there was ever a club you need to face this, maybe this is the best to face it, because the harder it gets, the more we are together, the more we are trying to achieve the things that Liverpool usually achieves .....”

Is right Arne lad. We’re in this together mate and totally behind you and the boys. We’ve been in FAR worse situations than this. With FAR worse managers and players, who haven’t had anything like the trauma and upheaval you lads have, and still are, dealing with.

I’m looking forward to tomorrow as Europe doesn’t worry me at all. We’ve as good a chance as anyone to be in Budapest next May. Expecting a good performance and good win to all but seal top 8 tomorrow.

West Ham Sunday though …… F knows what will happen there? 🤷‍♂️

Utterly mad, ridiculously bizarre times.

But we are only getting through this together. And turning on the man who won us # 20, and has been dealt a horrible hand to deal with this season. Is the very LAST thing the actual support at the match will do. Along with, mercifully, having owners who, over time, have come to fully understand our club and what makes the City it represents tick. And the very last thing they will do is bin off a title winning manager, who had one of the best title winning seasons in our storied history, at the first sign of adversity. Not least adversity to the levels and nature we've all had to deal with this season.

We aren't that club. No matter how much the on-line white noise screams into the void.

Arne is sound until at least the summer.

And given we aren't even a third of the season in, he may well be celebrating lifting more silverware in his first two seasons yet.
 
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