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dilakh2 said:
Agree with Scouse that the signings were needed as we lost three forwards. We lost the playmaker in our team and replaced him with Wirtz who is far from the problem. Robbo is finished at the top level he's legs have genuinely gone. Regardless, Its so easy to point to the signings and say too much and yes there will be a transition but not lose 4 games on the trot and have been atrocious for a good while now.

For me its down to the Slot and the coaches perhaps wanting a different profile of players and the management above not aligning. You don't sign the best attacking fullback in the league to play as a left cb or have the midfield vacated and push up front leaving no progression and space for a no.10 to play with tripping over others. I've said it before that I want him to fix it but hes stubbornness imo will have him out of the top seat if he doesn't. Football is a results business at the end of the day.
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I said this more than a month ago and nothing has changed. Do I want him gone? No, but he will be imo as I just think he is out of his depth as he just cant seem to arrest the slide and with the money spent we can't afford to throwaway the season.
 
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The problem is there is so much wrong right now, its hard to know where to begin
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Its plain a simple tactic compounded by the players not suited to the way he wants to play. That's why I said that there was a miscommunication between what Slot wanted and what Hughes provided. Either to many cooks in the kitchen or a manager overruled. Regardless, one thing is for certain we have gotten less physical and less fit the longer we have played under Slot. I understand wanting to last the whole season, but the press looks woefully disjointed due to the lack of intensity.
 
See when I said after Forest they’ll be more days like this to come before we heal …..

This is getting beyond daft now.

That’s another bang average side come to r’s, this time in Europe, in OUR competition, and taking the absolute living P out of us without really having to break sweat. And worse, MUCH worse than anything, we just gave up at 3-1. I mean EVERYONE just totally gave up. Players. Staff. Crowd. The support had been with them. Even at 2-1 down. And they’d been good and the better side from 1-1 to 1-2. But everything changed when Konate sunk to even lower depths with his latest, massively costly, massively embarrassing F/U for PSV’s third. And EVERYONE just gave up at 3-1. Which is beyond unacceptable on the pitch. And something we just don’t do off it. To the point where there were boos the end from some of those that bothered to stay that long. Which were then drowned out by a defiant ‘We love you L’pool, We do!’ support and lads telling other lads that’s not what we do and to F off to Goodison and the like with the booing. Just an ugly end to another ugly game. I hate the booing for what it’s worth. It’s embarrassing and just not what we do. Proper, PROPER wool behaviour that. And the manager doesn’t deserve that at all after what he delivered last season. And how he continues to conducted himself with the utmost dignity through the horrendous circumstances this past summer that are still playing a MASSIVE part on everything. Whether you want to admit and acknowledge that or not. It’s just there and one of the biggest factors in all this. But it’s only one factor of many. And it’s not been as bad as this since that despicable bleep Hodgson. So as much as I’d rather people just get off the last 10, I get the frustration to boo if you stick it out to the end.

This is beyond daft now.

You are just sat confused and helpless as to how to fix it as there’s SO many problems it’s not even funny. I’m at a total loss as to what’s going on or where we go from here? 🤷‍♂️

You can call for the manager to go. Which I totally get that frustration. Even if I don’t agree. But we know that’s just NOT happening and is a very LAST resort for the club. Heck, we’ve only had 22 of them through 133 years. And one of those was a 10 game caretaker manager. We just aren’t that club. We just aren’t that ownership. But by Christ is he making it hard to stand by him when he repeatedly picks the same players, who are repeatedly letting him and every last one of us down, game after game. He needs to help himself and put in players that will at least fight the full 90 because giving up like that at 3-1 is TOTALLY unacceptable. However frail confidence is. And I don’t see things being much different for the foreseeable under ANY new manager down to confidence being at rock bottom with everything. Discussed this after Forest but they are broken. Utterly broken. And I wouldn’t wish that job of trying to pick them up and fix that mentality, on Slot or anyone.

Personnel HAS to change though. That he can do to alter things. Konate HAS to be sat. This is non-negotiable now. Joe must wonder what the F he has to do to get a game? AllyMac too. Heck, he’s nowhere near the relevant quality, but start Endo. At least he’ll graft and fight. The FULL 90. Start Ramsey at right full if you have to. AndyRobbo the other side. Options are limited up top but Gakpo and Salah are looking as lost as anyone ….. Heck, let’s face it, aside of big Dom, and maybe Ekitike, you could change the whole other 9/ 10 as they’ve all been a disgrace in various ways. Just what got into van Dijk last night F only knows but it wasn’t good! Horrendous penalty to set us back from the get-go. Lucky to stay on after a mad booking. His head totally went. Help yourself mate and make changes because even P poor, bang average sides are taking the P now.

Maybe you try change formation? Tactically we aren’t that different to last season. We were slow paced to go more controlling then. Most every first half was like that as we tried to draw out the opposition and see what they were gonna’ do. But the mentality and confidence is that broken, if they don’t score first and get ahead, they can’t step it up and overcome adversity. Which negates any tactical plan right now.

There’s just SO many factors at play and SO much wrong you are at a total loss and left helpless as to how they fix this? 🤷‍♂️

Just gonna’ have to tough it out until I turns.

But man alive is it getting harder by the passing game to stick with them when you are getting little to nothing back from them.

At least I get a day off Sunday as I refuse to go to that sham of an athletics stadium in Stratford. Don’t F lose that one L’pool for Pete’s sake! Even a draw will do right now to stop this haemorrhaging. Just show some fight and some pride and stem the blood loss as we are slipping towards flat lining fast here. Just show something.

This is beyond daft now.

Up the Reds! YNWA!
 
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Interesting changes. I wouldn’t have kept Konate in personally. But at least Arne is helping himself finally.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1995113103693091150

You’d anticipate a massive reaction after Wednesday’s new low. Not least with West Ham up in arms and protesting.

Hopefully, this is the game we start to turn this and heal.

Straight into these Redmen!
 
Billy Bonds has sadly died.

Terrible news for West Ham. Legend.

Puts the trivialities of the game in stark perspective.

God rest Bonzo. 🙏❤️
 
I normally hate missing a game. Not least right now with all the adversity we are going through. The manager, who, rightly after last season, and the unprecedented trauma nobody asked for this, continues to have the FULL backing of the vast majority of the match going support, and his players, need ALL the vocal backing and support they can currently get to drag themselves out of this malaise. I hate being sat at home with no means to affect anything like you can when you are at the game. Playing your part with your team.

What I don’t hate missing though is that absolute sham of an athletics stadium in Stratford West Ham never will call ‘home.’ The reason I swerve this one. Being a million miles away from the pitch. With no roof acoustics to generate any sort of an atmosphere. And unless you go down Hackney Wick, or somewhere else well away from the ground, you struggle to find any decent boozers or restaurants as there’s next to nothing there. And don’t get me started on the convoluted walk they put you through after to get back the train! 🤬

Only Wembley comes close in my proper dislike of a ground.

Todays admin-

Title Defence Countdown:
7 wins down/ 20 to go.
21 points down/ 68 to go.

First off, sincerest condolances to the family of Billy Bonds and all the West Ham family. Great player and absolute legend of the game. Proper old school. He was a pure, ball playing DM before the position existed. Never forget the first season I got the season ticket I still have, ‘87/‘88, and him being imperious defensively in helping West Ham to a 0-0 at Anfield. When every game seemed to be 4-0 that season. And some arl’ fella saying ‘Remember this lad. That # 4 there is a gentleman and a legend.’

God rest Bonzo lad. 🙏❤️

Get in Redmen! 🎊🎉

Man alive did we need that win! And a really good, solid performance to boot. You expected a big response after the new low of last Wednesday. And boy did thy all deliver. Starting with the manager. Kudos to Arne for finally helping himself and changing things up with the line-up. I’d personally probably have changed Konate too. But 2/3 changes is the maximum you can realistically get away with. Wirtz for Salah was the headline. And giving him more of a floating 10 role, with the equally good Gravenberch dovetailing the right when he drifted, worked superbly. He was all over the pitch And did some excellent work from the inside left half-space role he so shone in at Leverkusen. JMG had a good return to the side solidifying the right full slot. And a good assist to boot. Which in turn rolled over to Konate who looked much more at ease and decisive without worrying who he has to cover outside him. You can see Isak getting stronger and sharper by the passing game. I thought he looked real busy with some great movement and touches. Terrific footballer him. So elegant. Wonderfull finish from him to end the drought. Once his confidence is up, the goals will be flying. And then more top class fire power in Ekitike coming on to replace him. But we ddn’t need both right? 🙄🤦‍♂️ They ALL grafted for each other the full 90 and got the reward they richly deserved. And the first airing of ‘Oh come all ye faithful …..’ from us. You know we’re into the mad Chrimbo season when that perennial classic comes out. 😍

A really, really good, solid, controlling, away win at one of the most in-form sides the league over the previous 3 games. MUCH more like it Reds! 😊 Hopefully a massive step forward in our healing process and turning this around.

Well done Arne lad. Absolutely made up for you! LOVED hearing your name being belting out from the support. 😍😍 Same again Wednesday ta lid!

A third of the season in, and for all the adversity we’ve had to deal with, leading, naturally, to poor form, we are sat a mere 2 points out of the top 4. Four points off City in second. And 1 point outside the top 8 and automatic qualification in the CL …..

Oh woe us! 🤦‍♂️

Kudos as well to both West Ham fans, who’ve assisted ourselves MANY times in the Twenty’s Plenty/Stop Exploiting Loyalty (SEL) campaign, for another protest against the 🐀’s running their club into the ground. Sullivan and Brady. As per our crew at the game, brilliant that our lads joined in with the black balloon protest on KO. Smart of West Ham to be handing them out at Euston thisAM. 👏👏The loud popping off camera the first 15 mins as stewards burst them was testament to both the amount. And West Ham officials not wanting attention drawn to the unrest.

Unity is STRENGTH!

Great to have a boss start to the week after the utter mess last week.

Now to (hopefully) watch Chelsea reel Arsenal back toward the pack.

Up the Hammer Blowing Reds!
 
3 points was more important than the performance for me we cant afford to be that far away from the chasing pack.
 
It feels like the inevitable will happen with Slot, which sucks but you can't watch every game and see the same things that I've been repeating and everyone else has and not realise that something is clearly wrong. Isak had one touch in the second half. Im sorry, but that is a sackable offense on its own. Shame it will be an o.g as Wirtz, as usually was the best player on the pitch for us.

Edit: One thing that hasn't been mentioned during Slots tenure for me as it has gone on is the lack of basic fitness of the players under his spell. His obsession with controlling the pace during the season has resulted in a lack of intensity in the fitness of the players and it shows during game. One thing you can't do in the PL.
 
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This will be short as I have a ton of work to hit early.

Yesterdays admin-

Title Defence Countdown:
7 wins down/ 20 to go.
22 points down/ 67 to go.

Current PL unbeaten run:
P 2 W 1 D 1 F 3 A 1 CS: 1

Fair play to Sunderland. They came for what they got. A point. Anything else would have been a major bonus for them. Rightly as they are a promoted side. At the champions. They slowed the game and strangled the life out of it with 6/7 deep all game and time waisting the life out of it. Of which the referee fell for every trick in the book. Never seen a ‘keeper literally flip himself in the air and over off the ground to eat up the clock after taking a cross!

L’pool was another hard watch.

Particularly first half where the set-up was all wrong. Sound away from home playing like that. Like we did West Ham. But you have to be more front foot at Anfield. That first-half was dire. And the passing all game was woeful in the main. With the movement, particularly from Isak, leaving a lot to be desired. But then we are trying to climb out of the deepest hole possible we’ve slumped into over the past few months. So the second half response you can take positives from. They never stopped grafting for a manager who was like a man possessed the touchline encouraging them. The one thing that has been destroying them of late, their broken mentality when hitting any sort of adversity, was slowly re-found as they came back from a goal down. That in itself is a massive step in the right direction. And the last 15, there was only one side trying to win that game.

People have to appreciate it’s going to take time to climb back to where we should be. And they’ll be some utter dross performances along the way. But we didn’t get beat again. And ticked off battling back from behind. Baby steps. But that’s where we are and you have to start somewhere.

Follow the last two up by beating Leeds now and 7 out of 9 this week would be a superb return from where we were going into it.

Kudos to Sunderland fans too for loudly applauding on 20 when the Jota song went. Really appreciated that lads. Thank you.

Up the Reds!
 
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