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Tell me which young players you have heard of. That would make job easier.[/QUOTE]

http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/english-football/82143-kids-more-than-all-right.html

This thread and I want to know everything about Oliver Norwood,Matt James,Danny Drinkwater,Ravel Morrison,Joshua King,Will Keane etc.


And btw I am watching UCL on ten sports and Carlton Palmer is a joke! And is anybody here on facebook?

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This thread and I want to know everything about Oliver Norwood,Matt James,Danny Drinkwater,Ravel Morrison,Joshua King,Will Keane etc.


And btw I am watching UCL on ten sports and Carlton Palmer is a joke! And is anybody here on facebook?

I dont know what you meant by everything, I will tell from what I have seen and read.

Oliver Norwood: He is a CM currently out on loan. His best attributes are his passing and set pieces. His passing is really very good and good as deep lying play maker. Thats the role he played at United reserves.

Matt James: One of my fav youngster. At 18 he was too good for reserves. He is a proper box to box player with beast of a shot. Good passing range and was Captain of England U19s, Lat year he struggles with Injuries, yesterday was his comeback match. Looked rusty. He has a decent chance of making it at United, if not here then surely at PL club.

Danny Drinkwater: Very impressive for Reserves in pre season, currently out on loan. I havent seen much but from what I have heard he is a all round player with eye for goal.

Ravel Morrison: The only reason he is at United is coz he is ****** talented. According to many coaches, he is the most talented player we ever had in academy. He is good enough for first team sub appearances, but his attitude is what stopping him from that. One reputated journalist said Ravel is the most technically gifted youngster in the country. That says a lot.

His playing style is like Iniesta. He slides pass players so easily, his one touch passing, short passing is very good. Last season there was a spell of 20 mins where he was unplayable. He was level or 2 above everyone. Most games he is, but that particular spell was the best I have seen. One of the key players for our FA youth cup win.

Joshua King,Will Keane
: Both are talented forwards. King is very injury prone. Very quick, skillfull and erratic finishing. Keane is good technical player with superb finishing skills. I had a bet with Jay Pricey that King will become better player than Keane but Keane has really stepped up .

Pogba: You should be knowing of him. Excellent potential and he is close to first team chances and even SAF said he will play Pogba this season. He has got all the attributes but not good at tackling. His long shots are superb, he has scored more than 10 goal from distance.

Tunnicliffe: Tunners, Pogba, Ravel are very talented players. TBH I rate Tunners very highly. First start for posh and he got MOTM. From what I read in Posh forums, they like him and they rate him. To me he is Kenaesque player. He has god superb engine, drive, determination. He is mentally very tough.

Petrucci: TBH I really feel bad for him. He was superb pre injury and missed 18 months of most valuable time. Looked rusty last season this season he is slowly getting back to his best. Pre injury he was nailed on to fulfill his potential, even now he can but missed very valuable time. His short passing and shot from distance are his strengths.

Apart from these I'm impressed with Larnell Cole, Vermijl who I think will become good fullback. He is versatile too.
 
I dont know what you meant by everything, I will tell from what I have seen and read.

Oliver Norwood: He is a CM currently out on loan. His best attributes are his passing and set pieces. His passing is really very good and good as deep lying play maker. Thats the role he played at United reserves.

Matt James: One of my fav youngster. At 18 he was too good for reserves. He is a proper box to box player with beast of a shot. Good passing range and was Captain of England U19s, Lat year he struggles with Injuries, yesterday was his comeback match. Looked rusty. He has a decent chance of making it at United, if not here then surely at PL club.

Danny Drinkwater: Very impressive for Reserves in pre season, currently out on loan. I havent seen much but from what I have heard he is a all round player with eye for goal.

Ravel Morrison: The only reason he is at United is coz he is ****** talented. According to many coaches, he is the most talented player we ever had in academy. He is good enough for first team sub appearances, but his attitude is what stopping him from that. One reputated journalist said Ravel is the most technically gifted youngster in the country. That says a lot.

His playing style is like Iniesta. He slides pass players so easily, his one touch passing, short passing is very good. Last season there was a spell of 20 mins where he was unplayable. He was level or 2 above everyone. Most games he is, but that particular spell was the best I have seen. One of the key players for our FA youth cup win.

Joshua King,Will Keane
: Both are talented forwards. King is very injury prone. Very quick, skillfull and erratic finishing. Keane is good technical player with superb finishing skills. I had a bet with Jay Pricey that King will become better player than Keane but Keane has really stepped up .

Pogba: You should be knowing of him. Excellent potential and he is close to first team chances and even SAF said he will play Pogba this season. He has got all the attributes but not good at tackling. His long shots are superb, he has scored more than 10 goal from distance.

Tunnicliffe: Tunners, Pogba, Ravel are very talented players. TBH I rate Tunners very highly. First start for posh and he got MOTM. From what I read in Posh forums, they like him and they rate him. To me he is Kenaesque player. He has god superb engine, drive, determination. He is mentally very tough.

Petrucci: TBH I really feel bad for him. He was superb pre injury and missed 18 months of most valuable time. Looked rusty last season this season he is slowly getting back to his best. Pre injury he was nailed on to fulfill his potential, even now he can but missed very valuable time. His short passing and shot from distance are his strengths.

Apart from these I'm impressed with Larnell Cole, Vermijl who I think will become good fullback. He is versatile too.

Thanks I needed that! I do know Pogba,Tunnicliffe! Watched Peterborough for that! Just watching Gotze looks a very intelligent player!
 
Mame Biram Diouf was great in the reserves at moss lane last night, macheda wasn't great.
won 2-1 against fulham
 
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BigRed_M Big Red M
When asked if Anders has given Fergie a selection problem. "No. David will play. Why do you ask stupid little questions?"

MichaelLCrick Michael Crick

#MUFC extend extraordinary away record in Europe over last 5 seasons - 24 games, 15 wins, 8 draws, and just one defeat (Bayern in 2010).
 
Anders played well in goal from the SS highlights, DDG has competition ;)
 
Scapegoats For When Man Utd Don’t Win – Fashionable?


It seems the common trend nowadays for a large number of Manchester United fans on social networking sites (ie twitter) is to criticise players when we fail to win or fail to win by at least a 3 goal margin. And the blame always falls on the few individuals who had once upon a time hit a bad patch of form which lives in the memory long term and suddenly makes them the worst player in Manchester United history and unfit to wear the shirt ever again.

I suppose by now you’ve figured out which players I’m talking about as I’m sure most of you have either witnessed or joined in with the ‘Carrick ,’ ‘Evans’ or ‘Gibson ’ bashing after we fail to win. After Manchester United’s 1-1 away draw to Benfica, surprise surprise, the critics came out in force and who was to blame for the failure to win? Mainly Carrick with a hint of Evans. Personally I felt that, although they did not have a stormer, they didn’t play particularly bad either. In fact I thought both of them were amongst our better performers on the night. Both were very assured on the ball, displayed by the 86 passes Carrick made and the 92% completion rate and Jonny Evans’ 58 passes and 98% completion rate.

Michael Carrick also made 8 interceptions against Benfica and 4 tackles. It could be argued that he was in fact our best player on the night, yet as expected, the Carrick haters came out in force.

Some comments sent to me when defending Carrick on twitter:

“Passing sideways, backwards, to opposing players, NO PACE & contributing sod all going forward, is why many fans hate Carrick.”

“That’s because both of them are s*** the whole midfield tonight was **** and not one of them should play for united again.”

“Carrick is f***in pony.”

“How many passes did carrick make that actually did anything? He was s***e nowhere near best player that goes to Giggs & anders.”

“This doesn’t mean anything when your passing is without taking any risks,he passed sideways,and back,no offensive passes… carrick is really useless,he does nothing,can’t defend,and can’t attack,he passes the ball and never ask it back,TC (Tom Cleverley) any day.”

“Michael Carrick is STILL s***e.”

“We all watched the game. Carrick sucked. period.”

“Best #Mufc performers last night were A. Lindergaard. P. Evra. C Smaling. R. Giggs. Worst was M. Carrick and J. Evens.”

“Carrick is just not United material.”

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Michael Carrick in his new role


The above image shows the position that Michael Carrick now regularly operates in. It is a much deeper role than any other midfielder at Manchester United plays in. Michael Carrick doesn’t go forward often, he chooses, or is more likely instructed by the manager, to sit deep and limit the opportunities in which he goes forwards.

Tactically this kind of position has to be a disciplined one. He “contibutes sod all going forward.” I think from his position, he isn’t directly supposed to.


If Michael Carrick loses the ball from such a position attempting to complete a risky pass which is unlikely to actually reach it’s destination then possession is lost cheaply and it may also eventually lead to a chance on goal for the opposing team. Regardless, Michael Carrick did in fact attempt 14 long passes last night against Benfica and completed 12 of them, a stat that was very noticeable as he often switched the play to the other side of the pitch.


Now as the passing chalkboard for Michael Carrick v Benfica isn’t readily available at my disposal, I shall instead use his chalkboard from the Bolton v Manchester United game from last Saturday.

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The chalkboard itself highlights the area in which Michael Carrick currently plays in with most of his passes being made from deep. It was a role in which I felt bought out the best in Anderson who had the freedom to do almost anything he wanted in the midfield.

That match he attempted 51 passes and completed 46, which is a completion rate of 90%. Here is a breakdown of his passing stats: (Completed/Attempted). Backward: (17/17), Square (or sideways as people like to call it): (10/11). Forward: (19/23). It’s clear to see why Michael Carrick is known for his lack of passes forward(!). Note that this is the only league game that he has played in so far this season.



The league game that he played in before Bolton away was Blackburn away last season. That day Michael Carrick attempted 108 passes and completed 97 of them which is a completion rate, again, of 90%.


A breakdown of his stats from that day: Backward: (20/20). Square: (30/32). FORWARD: (47/56). A clear conclusion from the stats of both of these games would be that this “Carrick only passes backwards and sideways” mindset of some fans is just a pure and simple myth. If that can’t convince you, Michael Carrick also completed more forward passes in last season’s Champions League than Barcelona’s Andres Iniesta. Michael Carrick made 417, Andres Iniesta made 384. That stat does it for me.


So why do people single out and make a scapegoat out of one or two players? I can’t really say for sure since I’m not someone who does that sort of thing. The direct criticism of one player for an overall below par team performance is just wrong in itself. It seems to me that people are just jumping on the bandwagon, that it has somehow become fashionable to blame the same players over and over again because that player started ahead of or isn’t really their favourite. Nevertheless, the blame of the same player every time Man Utd fail to win is wholly unwarranted.


Scapegoats For When Man Utd Don’t Win – Fashionable? | Red Flag Flying High

Good read about Carrick.
 
Carrick wasnt ****, he just isnt mobile with the ball, needs a dynamic ball carrier alongside him
 
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Carrick wasnt ****, he just isnt mobile with the ball, needs a dynamic ball carrier alongside him

That what I said last night, Anderson will be good with him as we have seen last season.

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De Gea got so much stick for the mistake yet Joe Hart got none for his. He was equally at fault for Smalling goal if you consider De Gea was at fault for Lescott one.

Kevin Davies goal could have been saved , but he reacted late and didn't cover much distance by his poor dive.

Cavani's goal, ball went between his legs, but Walcott goal was discussed to death.

English and all..
 
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That what I said last night, Anderson will be good with him as we have seen last season.

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De Gea got so much stick for the mistake yet Joe Hart got none for his. He was equally at fault for Smalling goal if you consider De Gea was at fault for Lescott one.

Kevin Davies goal could have been saved , but he reacted late and didn't cover much distance by his poor dive.

Cavani's goal, ball went between his legs, but Walcott goal was discussed to death.

English and all..


to be fair though, this is nothing new by the media obviously now that their is a new GK at Man Utd they will be all over him, particulalry as your record with GKs is not all that great and as usual the media wont be factoring in things like Adpting to new country, learning the language etc.

They did the same wit Torres last season for different reasons and they will probably continue their mauling of De Gea but eventually it all dies down so my advice is not to pay too much attention to all this ****, we can all judge him next season
 
to be fair though, this is nothing new by the media obviously now that their is a new GK at Man Utd they will be all over him, particulalry as your record with GKs is not all that great and as usual the media wont be factoring in things like Adpting to new country, learning the language etc.

They did the same wit Torres last season for different reasons and they will probably continue their mauling of De Gea but eventually it all dies down so my advice is not to pay too much attention to all this ****, we can all judge him next season

Not paying much attention, even if I read those papers I will never take them seriously. Most of the journalists know jack **** about the game. Writing articles by calling defender as striker and all.

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Anderson's jump from dawdler to dazzler offers Manchester United hope

The midfielder's early-season form has offered credence to the view that the Brazilian can finally fulfil his potential at Old Trafford

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Sir Alex Ferguson tells the story of the first time he saw Phil Jones play football and the rare exhilaration of knowing he was witnessing something special. "He was 16," Ferguson recalls. "He was playing against our youth team and he was immense. The next day I phoned Sam Allardyce, who was Blackburn's manager at the time, and he just laughed at me. 'Aye,' he said, 'that boy will be in my first-team on Saturday.'"


The feeling Ferguson experienced that day was reminiscent of the first time he clapped eyes on a 13-year-old Ryan Wilson (later Giggs) with the ball at his feet and a stream of opponents in pursuit, a moment of euphoria the Manchester United manager once likened to a gold prospector who has panned through every river and mountain suddenly finding himself staring at a nugget.


Back in 2007 United went to Anfield and it was another 19-year-old, Anderson, who delivered the kind of performance that, for Ferguson, represented one of those moments when all the sweat and frustration and hardships of management felt worthwhile. Anderson did something that day that has rarely been achieved at the home of Liverpool: he dominated Steven Gerrard on his own patch. The first 50-50 set the tone. Anderson snapped into Gerrard's ankles and came away with the ball. The second time it happened, Gerrard fixed him with a stare. It was a look that said: "And you are?"


What has happened to Anderson over the following years demonstrates how quickly a young player's priorities can blur and why some of the greatest qualities a manager can possess are patience and tolerance. Fortunately for the Brazilian, Ferguson has equal measures of both. But it has been a close-run thing at times and in the worst moments, it was difficult to envisage the situation we have seen this week, of Anderson being deemed so important for a weekend fixture the manager rested him from a Champions League tie.


Anderson was held back for Sunday's game against Chelsea on the basis that his contribution to United's winning start has been so purposeful and significant. He has been the driving force in the team's midfield during a free-scoring run that has seen them accumulate 18 goals from four league games and while the season is still in its infancy, his hard running, penetrative passing and newly acquired maturity have left us with the sense that this is the juncture when he re-establishes himself as a serious footballer.


Anderson has been in Manchester four years now, so it is not before time. He has won three Premier League medals, two League Cups and helped the team reach three Champions League finals – and yet the paradox is that he has done all this without shaking the firm impression that this is someone who ought to have delivered more.


Consider, for example, those Champions League finals. Anderson was a substitute against Chelsea in 2008, replacing Wes Brown in the final seconds of extra time, purely so he could take part in the penalty shoot-out. He was removed at half-time after an undistinguished performance the following year against Barcelona, and did not get off the bench against the same opponents at Wembley in May.


Gary Neville's autobiography came out this month and the Brazilian does not merit a single mention. Three hundred pages about the glories, the personalities and mechanics of being at a club of United's size and ambition – but not one word about a player who cost €30m (£26.2m in today's exchange rate) to become the fifth most expensive player in the club's history.


What we have now is a player who is slowly reminding us why Mário Zagallo, Brazil's World Cup-winning coach of 1970, once talked of him as a "prodigy with indisputable quality". That was in 2007 after Dunga had called Anderson into his Copa América squad, and Zagallo's belief was that "everything suggests he is going to be a superstar".


Since then, however, there have been only eight caps. According to the Globo TV commentator Jon Cotterill, the perception has developed in Brazil of a footballer who has abandoned the qualities that made him so revered in the first place. "Anderson started off as the new Ronaldinho but he's changed his style of play completely. He's learned to mark. He's bulked up. He's more direct. But he seems to have forgotten his talent and creative gifts."
For United, Anderson has averaged fewer than 20 league starts per season. At the lowest moments he responded to one blast of Ferguson's temper by flying back to Brazil without the club's permission, an indiscretion that cost him a week's wages. There were stories of him meeting officials from Grêmio, the club where he began his career. Anderson, for a time, looked as though he could leave and quickly be forgotten.



The coaches at Old Trafford talk now of someone who has knuckled down, lost weight and, at 23, is still young enough to consider the best years are yet to come, particularly if he continues to play the kind of mature, intelligent football that Paul Scholes felt was coming before the start of the season. "He can be a bit erratic at times, but you forget he's still a young lad," Scholes, now a member of Ferguson's backroom staff, said. "Hopefully, with a bit more concentration, he can score more goals as well."



The question of professionalism is relevant because Anderson has had his fair share of lost nights. Not in the places where Manchester's glitterati usually flaunt their wealth, but the kind of venues where the music is a bit louder, the drinks are cheap and the carpets sticky. There have been some embarrassing headlines and like many young, rich Brazilian footballers, the sense that partying should be a way of life, no matter what time training starts the following morning.



One theory at Old Trafford is that Anderson has benefited from having a steady girlfriend and a young family and, in turn, is gradually shedding his image as the party animal who, 13 months ago, ended up in hospital after leaving a Portuguese nightclub at 6am and crashing off the road. Anderson, dragged unconscious from his burning car, was recovering at the time from a ruptured cruciate ligament, the injury footballers fear the most. "Perhaps he needed that bang on the head," one United official volunteered.



The question now is the same one that hangs over Jones and it is this: can he keep it up? There have, after all, been other moments in the Anderson story when he has flirted with the idea of becoming an authentic category-A footballer before disappearing back to the edges. "His form so far this season has been brilliant," Ferguson says, "but we always knew he was capable of that."



The key is maintaining it. These are the moments when Anderson needs to show he has become a grown-up footballer rather than the boy who stayed too young too long. The new Anderson, rather than the new Ronaldinho.


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Manchester United v Chelsea: Alex Ferguson believes the media want David de Gea to fail

Now the United manager claims forces in the press are deliberately trying to undermine De Gea.

Ferguson said: “There’s obviously an agenda on De Gea and we experienced that with the press again on Wednesday night after the game in Benfica.

“For some reason they are desperate for the boy to fail and I don’t understand it. He will be back in the team against Chelsea absolutely – that was always the arrangement.


“It’s nothing to do with his age, they never did that with [Petr] Cech [when he joined Chelsea].
“He’s 20 and he’s coming into a country where he doesn’t know the culture. There’s a lot he’s had to deal with and he’s showing a lot of composure about the whole thing. He doesn’t speak English, he’s been looking for a house and now found one, he’s been learning to drive in England.

“He’s not been flapping about in the goalmouth, he’s been really composed. He’s outstanding.”


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Got to love our stand in captain.

Patrice Evra: "I'd rather Wayne slipped here than in Moscow''
 
Just been on man utd official site says despite pogba picking up minor knock in last thursday 2-1 victory over middlesborough he will play against leeds on tuesday in carling cup and was unlucky not to be on bench on sunday. and chris smalling will most likey miss games against leeds and stoke with minor groin problem.
 
Michael Owen is set to make his first appearance of the season in Manchester United's Carling Cup tie at Leeds tomorrow.

Sir Alex Ferguson will make a huge number of changes, with Paul Pogba and Will Keane amongst the youngsters who might be involved.

But there will be plenty of experience as well and Mame Biram Diouf, Federico Macheda may be joined by Park Ji-sung and Ryan Giggs.

Provisional squad: Lindegaard, Amos, Fabio, Jones, Evans, Giggs, Park, Carrick, Fletcher, Valencia, Owen, Berbatov, Macheda, Diouf, Pogba, W Keane, James, Brown, M.Keane, Thorpe, Fryers.
 
not being a troll but i hope Leeds beat you it would make it easier for us to win something. (lol)
 
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not being a troll but i hope Leeds beat you it would make it easier for us to win something. (lol)

We were knocked out by West Ham last season yet it didn't make it any easier for Arsenal to win the Carling Cup :)
 
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