The Manchester United Thread

[sunilvk7]

Only the deluded fans in here would be happy if we lost Chicharito and De Gea before the window closes whilst bringing no one else in. That's all I was saying.

Yeah people who trust young players to be back up are deluded. Thank God, management is not fickle like you, otherwise it would be like playing FM with lower league team, signing 20, selling 30 players every season.

 

[Mike.]

How can you make them predictions when in reality he's only had a few saves to make? He's done well but he hasn't been tested much so I wouldn't go as far to say that I'd suddenly want him as first-choice for an entire season with Lindegaard as backup.



I said I wanted a winger with pace, how on earth does this have anything to do with your constant fixation with Gotze and De Bruyne? They are both no.10's, we can cut it any way we like but they are not wingers.

It wouldnt be just those two, If he left they would get a keeper.

Also and I'll keep saying it. They are not restricted 10s. They are also wingers. Because here is the thing, you don't have to be Valencia to play on the wing. Neither Robben or Ribery would fit your definition, and they are two of the best widemen there, though getting on a bit. In fact very top few sides have wingers than fit your extremely narrow definition. And they are doing fine. In fact, we had masses of width in our last game. You can cut it any way you like, but your narrow definition doesn actually stop either of them from being excellent wide players.

 

[Mike.]

By your logic, David Silva is a 10. And yet if you said he couldn't be a threat out wide, you'd be universally told your talking bollocks.

By way, Bayern wanted to KBD to replace Robben on the wing. If he can replace him, he can sure as **** play there for anyone else.

 

[zzeezzy]

Yeah people who trust young players to be back up are deluded. Thank God, management is not fickle like you, otherwise it would be like playing FM with lower league team, signing 20, selling 30 players every season.

This makes no sense whatsoever, I don't trust young players because........ you've totally lost me. I don't want Wilson as second-choice this season? Ok. He'd benefit more by going out on loan to another PL team and getting experience. Develop better as well because he won't play much this season regardless.

 

[zzeezzy]

It wouldnt be just those two, If he left they would get a keeper.

Also and I'll keep saying it. They are not restricted 10s. They are also wingers. Because here is the thing, you don't have to be Valencia to play on the wing. Neither Robben or Ribery would fit your definition, and they are two of the best widemen there, though getting on a bit. In fact very top few sides have wingers than fit your extremely narrow definition. And they are doing fine. In fact, we had masses of width in our last game. You can cut it any way you like, but your narrow definition doesn actually stop either of them from being excellent wide players.

They are really not wingers at all, they can play out-wide sure but their first instinct is to cut inside and utilise the space there or in De Bruyne's case look to shoot. A wingers instinct is moreso to go down the line and take the fullback on through the outside then get a ball in. My strict definition of winger isn't anything but I'd class Robben & Ribery moreso than Gotze and De Bruyne.

I've already said wingers are dying out and it's hard to get a strict defined one but I still want that player who has some real pace on the outside who has the first instinct to beat a man and get a ball into the box.

By my logic David Silva is a no.10? Well, excuse me, but he is. It's where he is most effective in them positions/areas on the pitch. Sure he can play out-wide, but his first instinct will always be to come inside.

 

[Mike.]

They are really not wingers at all, they can play out-wide sure but there first instinct is to cut inside and utilise the space there or in De Bruyne's case look to shoot. A wingers instinct is moreso to go down the line and take the fullback on through the outside then get a ball in. My strict definition of winger isn't anything but I'd class Robben & Ribery moreso than Gotze and De Bruyne.

I've already said wingers are dying out and it's hard to get a strict defined one but I still want that player who has some real pace on the outside who has the first instinct to beat a man and get a ball into the box.

By my logic David Silva is a no.10? Well, excuse me, but he is. It's where he is most effective in them positions/areas on the pitch. Sure he can play out-wide, but his first instinct will always be to come inside.

This is totally incorrect about De Bruyne and Gotze, you havent even watched the first one as you say, so what on earth are you talking about?. De Bruyne is happ on both feet and either crosses or attacks inside. Gotze only cuts inside if he is on the right, as he has a decent left peg, but he actually pulls very wide to allow Alaba to run inside before playing him through, which is perfect. right there is a perfect example of creating width, without just whipping a ball into the box

You don't need that to get width, I think this debate shows your misunderstanding of wideplay.

Actually City were at their best when Silva and Milner were on opposite flanks. in fact Sliva has done the most damage this season when he has gone wide right, see last night as a perfect example.

The fact that you mistakenly pigeonhole players doesn't stop them being such players.

all the players mention can, and have consistently shown, they can take a player on the outside. But football has moved on a from simply just running round the outside of your man. Width isnt just about swinging crosses in. It's as much about creating space for runners to attack through a created gap.

That is why most top sides no longer user a player like Valencia, rather a player like De Bruyne or Robben or Turan. A classic winger you want actually makes us more one dimenisional because he offers nothing if he cant go round the outside.

See: Navas.

 

[sunilvk7]

This makes no sense whatsoever, I don't trust young players because........ you've totally lost me. I don't want Wilson as second-choice this season? Ok. He'd benefit more by going out on loan to another PL team and getting experience. Develop better as well because he won't play much this season regardless.

So you want us to sign a squad player as a back up for Rooney?

 

[zzeezzy]

This is totally incorrect about De Bruyne and Gotze, you havent even watched the first one as you say, so what on earth are you talking about?. De Bruyne is happ on both feet and either crosses or attacks inside. Gotze only cuts inside if he is on the right, as he has a decent left peg, but he actually pulls very wide to allow Alaba to run inside before playing him through, which is perfect. right there is a perfect example of creating width, without just whipping a ball into the box

You don't need that to get width, I think this debate shows your misunderstanding of wideplay.

Actually City were at their best when Silva and Milner were on opposite flanks. in fact Sliva has done the most damage this season when he has gone wide right, see last night as a perfect example.

The fact that you mistakenly pigeonhole players doesn't stop them being such players.

all the players mention can, and have consistently shown, they can take a player on the outside. But football has moved on a from simply just running round the outside of your man. Width isnt just about swinging crosses in. It's as much about creating space for runners to attack through a created gap.

That is why most top sides no longer user a player like Valencia, rather a player like De Bruyne or Robben or Turan. A classic winger you want actually makes us more one dimenisional because he offers nothing if he cant go round the outside.

See: Navas.

I never said I didn't see him play at all, I actually said I've seen not much of him and only few matches when he was at Chelsea. Honestly can't be bothered to argue with you all day about this because it's actually quite pointless and we didn't go for him anyway. But take it from his own mouth what, by his own admittance is his best position which is centrally.

https://youtu.be/Xu4hRUFmhS4?t=53s

Gotze is a great player and all that jazz, he can play out-wide like I've already said but his best work in my opinion still comes from more central positions. Only need go onto places like youtube to see where the majority of his goals and assists come from. You can't highlight one moment from a game for David Silva to say his most effective work comes from out-wide, it just doesn't make sense. Again if you go onto youtube and watch a video of where majority of his assists/goals come from it's more in central positions like I mentioned. Using youtube is lame I know but honestly with them goals/assists videos it at least shows you the positions they are when doing these things to back up my point.

By the way Valencia would still be effective player but he has regressed and doesn't take on a player anymore. Doesn't take enough risks

 

[Mike.]

I never said I didn't see him play at all, I actually said I've seen not much of him and only few matches when he was at Chelsea. Honestly can't be bothered to argue with you all day about this because it's actually quite pointless and we didn't go for him anyway. But take it from his own mouth what, by his own admittance is his best position which is centrally.

https://youtu.be/Xu4hRUFmhS4?t=53s

Gotze is a great player and all that jazz, he can play out-wide like I've already said but his best work in my opinion still comes from more central positions. Only need go onto places like youtube to see where the majority of his goals and assists come from. You can't highlight one moment from a game for David Silva to say his most effective work comes from out-wide, it just doesn't make sense. Again if you go onto youtube and watch a video of where majority of his assists/goals come from it's more in central positions like I mentioned. Using youtube is lame I know but honestly with them goals/assists videos it at least shows you the positions they are when doing these things to back up my point.

By the way Valencia would still be effective player but he has regressed and doesn't take on a player anymore. Doesn't take enough risks

I'll take 2 years of watching a player for 90 minutes a game than a youtube package thanks. again I know KDB prefers the middle, at no point does it stop him being great on the flanks. Youtube will not show their positioning and off the ball movement. I'm not highligthing one moment read what I said, and also look at where he picks the ball. he is across the entire band.

 

[zzeezzy]

So you want us to sign a squad player as a back up for Rooney?

Even you said you wanted Berahino all summer and honestly whilst I wasn't keen at first, I'd take it now. He'd probably be more useful than Chicharito anyway.

 

[sunilvk7]

Even you said you wanted Berahino all summer and honestly whilst I wasn't keen at first, I'd take it now. He'd probably be more useful than Chicharito anyway.

Yes, because he has potential to become excellent player. If we sign player with potential like Berahino then I don't mind at all because in few years he can lead the line but if are just buying back up player then it doesn't make sense as in few years they will be dead wood and it would be hard to flog them off.

 

[zzeezzy]

I'll take 2 years of watching a player for 90 minutes a game than a youtube package thanks. again I know KDB prefers the middle, at no point does it stop him being great on the flanks. Youtube will not show their positioning and off the ball movement.

I knew this would be the response, well it actually shows the build-up play a lot of the time in those videos anyway.

Honestly looking back at one of the matches he played for Chelsea against Hull, can see why KdB frustrated Jose so much, technically he's very good but was so wasteful. Especially with his constant persistence to shoot outside the box.

 

[Mike.]

I knew this would be the response, well it actually shows the build-up play a lot of the time in those videos anyway.

Honestly looking back at one of the matches he played for Chelsea against Hull, can see why KdB frustrated Jose so much, technically he's very good but was so wasteful. Especially with his constant persistence to shoot outside the box.

KDB at Chelsea, is nothing on the player he has become at Wolfsburg, he's so far ahead of that it's scary. He played 3 league games at Chelsea for a start.

And of course that's the answer you'd get. You can't do analysis unless you are watching the entire game. ideally from a camera one (talking job here). Either way you need to watch 90 minutes over a highlights package, because its not showing you the unintereresting stuff

 

[zzeezzy]

KDB at Chelsea, is nothing on the player he has become at Wolfsburg, he's so far ahead of that it's scary.

And of course that's the answer you'd get. You can't do analysis unless you are watching the entire game. ideally from a camera one (talking job here). Either way you need to watch 90 minutes over a highlights package, because its not showing you the unintereresting stuff

You're right and I'm not doubting that you have more knowledge on them than me, but my biggest fear is signing another player who doesn't fit what we want exactly. Another square peg in a round hole so to speak. Honestly would of liked Mane, different more direct option to have on the right as an alternative to Mata and contributes goals.

 

[wkdsoul]

KDB at Chelsea, is nothing on the player he has become at Wolfsburg, he's so far ahead of that it's scary. He played 3 league games at Chelsea for a start.

And of course that's the answer you'd get. You can't do analysis unless you are watching the entire game. ideally from a camera one (talking job here). Either way you need to watch 90 minutes over a highlights package, because its not showing you the unintereresting stuff

His Chelsea stats are still in line with his assist every 2 games ratio for the most part, played 3, for 132 mins, scored 0, made 1.

i'm quite looking forward to seeing him Silva and Sterling interchange.

 

[Mike.]

You're right and I'm not doubting that you have more knowledge on them than me, but my biggest fear is signing another player who doesn't fit what we want exactly. Another square peg in a round hole so to speak. Honestly would of liked Mane, different more direct option to have on the right as an alternative to Mata and contributes goals.

I wouldn't mention any of these players if i genuinely thought they wouldnt work That's not to say I wouldnt like Mane, I would. But then he has more to his game than someone like Valencia or Navas, who can't use their other foot.

But what we need is creating space for players like Herrera. Actually what we need to do is play Herrera every game but thats another debate.

 

[Mike.]

His Chelsea stats are still in line with his assist every 2 games ratio for the most part, played 3, for 132 mins, scored 0, made 1.

i'm quite looking forward to seeing him Silva and Sterling interchange.

I'm really, really not.

For all the talk of Otamendi, KDB is the player i didnt want you to get.

 

[wkdsoul]

I'm really, really not.

For all the talk of Otamendi, KDB is the player i didnt want you to get.

Now now,, just change the contrast on your tv, so they play in purple, pretend its Harchester United and enjoy the pretty football..

 

[Mike.]

The Express saying Madrid will annouce De Gea tomorrow

******* saying United havent sent anyone to Madrid because Madrid havent actually made an official bid.

Ladies and gents, the transfer window in a nutshell.

 

[Mike.]

Romero; Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Shaw; Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger; Mata, Herrera, Memphis; Rooney

BEST.SELECTION.EVER.