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Does make the game even bigger though considering their rivalry. Personally I fancy our chances, simply because they miss Aguero and we really should be able to penetrate that defence.
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Apparently Shaw fit and Mky fit for bench
I thought Shaw would've been ok to start? Would be a huge miss :S
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Jose Mourinho tells #MUTVHD that “everyone is available” for tomorrow’s Manchester derby. #MUFC
5:40 am - 9 Sep 2016
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BOSS ON DERBIES
"I know what a derby means for everyone; I've played derbies everywhere, in every country, in so many cities. I always want to be in the position of emotional control because for me it is just a game against a very good opponent. If you want to be successful and you want to win the game then we have to be at the top of our qualities."
JOSE: IT'S A NORMAL GAME
Jose isn't buying into the hyperbole around Saturday's game. "I am normal," he said at his press conference. For us, it is a game and for me especially. We are playing to try and win the title. When you do this there is no match more important than another one when it comes to this stage of the season."
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Speaking in his press conference, Jose said: "I know what the derby means to #MUFC. If you want to be successful, you have to win the game."
"I know what a derby means for everyone; I've played derbies everywhere, in every country, in so many cities. I always want to be in the position of emotional control because for me it is just a game against a very good opponent. If you want to be successful and you want to win the game then we have to be at the top of our qualities."
JOSE: IT'S A NORMAL GAME
Jose isn't buying into the hyperbole around Saturday's game. "I am normal," he said at his press conference. For us, it is a game and for me especially. We are playing to try and win the title. When you do this there is no match more important than another one when it comes to this stage of the season."
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Speaking in his press conference, Jose said: "I know what the derby means to #MUFC. If you want to be successful, you have to win the game."
Talk about wearing completely red tinted glasses christ.
Firstly, not it was not always easy being top of the league with every team Pep managed. Anyone who cares to research a bit will know that the Barcelona team he took over was a complete mess. He was the one who helped all those talented players finally fulfill their potential and turn into world-beaters. They became so good people think they were already world beaters even before he arrived. I agree with you on Bayern but he did improve them in every area so there is that.
You can pretty much say the same for Jose as well in terms of how it was easy for him to be top of the league with the amount of money he spent every summer. Rival fans are always snobbish about the way Pep and Jose achieved their success but only a fool tries to claim that they two are not the best managers out there atm.
City may be lucky to be top but so are United who were completely wank against Hull. I am actually very worried that City can remain top despite being **** and with Pep just getting to know the EPL. I think every other team is in trouble when City finally get going.
Mou is a favourite in any big game except in the ones against Pep. His record is horrible against Pep head-to-head.
It is not simply a matter about age. Mourinho only plays players when they are ready for the big league and by the very nature of football, most young players are not ready by the time they are 19 or 20.
A manager like Wenger on the other hand is more than willing to throw in a completely green youngster even if he knows he is not yet ready because thats the only way he will learn. By playing games, making mistakes and then learning from them. Mourinho will never blood a young 'green' youngster this way.
Varane is a special case because he was already so good when he was young. Any manager in the world would play him. I would hardly call that a case of Mourinho really putting faith in the youth. Also you are completely crazy if you actually think Loftus Cheek is a good example of Jose being a great believer in youth. The guy was terribly unhappy under Mourinho. In fact, many of the Chelsea youngsters disliked him.
The Chelsea players aren't breaking through under any of your managers tbf. Even without Varane his point stands, and you can throw in Santon too. Threw him up against Ronaldo no less. And he was immense.
How many titles has Wenger won over the last decade compared to Mourinho? That's the bottom line.
Not really. Any manager would have played Varane because he was already so good at that age. A manager who really can be considered a true believer in youth is one that is willing to throw in youngsters even when its not clear that they are good enough and have faith that they will come good. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it does not. Also whether RLC is breaking through or not is irrelevant. RhQQ tried to use him as a positive example for Mourinho which he quite clearly is not. Either way, Mourinho clearly does not belong in this category.
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Anyways this is a pointless debate. Mourinho's terrible reputation with youth may be a tad unfair but he clearly prefers retaining faith in senior players and sometimes even playing them out of position during periods of poor form or injury crisis rather than throwing on untested youngsters unless they are clearly very talented like Varane.
Whether that is right or wrong for the team is another debate.
Whether that is right or wrong for the team is another debate.
You say it as if I used Varane as my sole example, which I did not. Damola gave an example of Arsenal signing a young centre half (Holding) and throwing him into important games, I countered that with the simple fact of Mourinho signing a young centre half (Varane) and played him in big games, but because Mourinho signed the better player, and younger at the time too I may add, it somehow makes him less of a believer in youth in this particular situation?
Wenger has used his youth more than Mourinho, no question, but is he right to? Why should he get plaudits for it? He is managing the one of the supposed leading clubs in world football, not a secondary school, what has it done for him? Whilst Mourinho has been winning titles, with it has to be said fewer youth (but not non-existent!), Arsenal have been celebrating finishing above Spurs! Unless these youth players win him titles, then that "faith" in them instead of signing proven players which the club & fans deserve, could be perceived a little small minded & a sense of timidity, and many Arsenal fans I know feel that way.
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Same goes for Mourinho against Klopp (P5 W1 D1 L3 F7 A11, including losing a Champions League semi. His only victory coming in the dead second leg of that after Madrid got licked 4-1 in Dortmund), but out of interest, you've just had me looking at Klopp and Guardiola's head-to-head. All in the Germany.
4-1-3 in Pep's favour by 1 win. 8 goals scored apiece. Pep beat him in 1 Pokal final. Klopp beat him in another semi-final and the German Super Cup. 3-2 in Guardiola's favour the league. 1 piece of silverware apiece in head-to-head matches.
The crazy German certainly holds his own to say the least in head-to-heads with the pair.
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God that was cringe worthy embarrassing the way they celebrated that last year like they'd won the league. When in truth not only did 'Spurs finish second to all intents and purposes being as they completely stopped having any heart to play after the Chelsea loss finished the title race; Arsenal not winning the league in such an abnormal season as last year when they had every opportunity with only Tottenham as anything remotely approaching a big club to overcome was an absolute disgrace in itself and nottin' that should of had a (false) second place 'consolation' celebrated like it was a European Cup win. (Said with absolutely zero disrespect intended to the Champions Leicester who earned it on merit.).
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18 year old David Santon vs C Ronaldo. Had played just 4 Serie A games that season, before being thrown up against him. At left back despite being right footed. he had played one game at LB before then.
Jack Wilshere is supposed to be the pick of the youth.
He's at Bournemouth, having been replaced by 30m man Granit Xhaka
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Not that it effects me, and this is more so anyone that might actually be going the Derby tomorrow like, but half 12 Sat'day kick-off's are utter wank. It just kill's everything. Nobody's had a real bevvie. Everyone's still goosed from the Friday night and early start. Even the players more often than not are flat. Don't think there's many if any football fans have happy memories of the Sat'day dinner kick-off's as regards belting games that really stand out.
So I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that play a factor in dampening things tomorrow.
I get why GMP push for that. To limit drinking and aggro. (Not that, that ever really works are you're then just pushing it onto yer average shoppers the afternoon when the majority hit town after.). But it's still an utter ***** kick-off time as a fan and a real ball ache at times.
Thankfully tomorrow we have the BT game at half 5 which is just the perfect kick-off more often than not. Particularly a home game when yers can have a relaxing day and a good few ales the afternoon prior.
So I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that play a factor in dampening things tomorrow.
I get why GMP push for that. To limit drinking and aggro. (Not that, that ever really works are you're then just pushing it onto yer average shoppers the afternoon when the majority hit town after.). But it's still an utter ***** kick-off time as a fan and a real ball ache at times.
Thankfully tomorrow we have the BT game at half 5 which is just the perfect kick-off more often than not. Particularly a home game when yers can have a relaxing day and a good few ales the afternoon prior.
It's not going to live up to the ridiculous hype. This isn't a game changing or title defining match. It's early in the day, early in the season. But as you say, it's understandable. It was always going to be on TV, and 5:30 game would be a disaster, there are always significant minorities of dickheads, and the rest of the city shouldn't suffer for it.
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