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[Theatre of dreams]

Manchester United– Verified account ‏@ManUtd

Jose Mourinho tells #MUTVHD that “everyone is available” for tomorrow’s Manchester derby. #MUFC






5:40 am - 9 Sep 2016
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[Theatre of dreams]

BOSS ON DERBIES
"I know what a derby means for everyone; I've played derbies everywhere, in every country, in so many cities. I always want to be in the position of emotional control because for me it is just a game against a very good opponent. If you want to be successful and you want to win the game then we have to be at the top of our qualities."



JOSE: IT'S A NORMAL GAME
Jose isn't buying into the hyperbole around Saturday's game. "I am normal," he said at his press conference. For us, it is a game and for me especially. We are playing to try and win the title. When you do this there is no match more important than another one when it comes to this stage of the season."




Manchester United– Verified account ‏@ManUtd

Speaking in his press conference, Jose said: "I know what the derby means to #MUFC. If you want to be successful, you have to win the game."

 

[Alcaraz]

It's easy to be best in the league with the teams he's had tbh. Whole different ball game now, City won't dominate like Bayern and Barca. Plus Aguero is injured. Tbh City are lucky to be top atm after being bang average and getting a helping hand OG in his first game. And City looked wank when West Ham put them under pressure. Mou loves these big games and will have a plan up his sleeve. No faves at all imo.

Talk about wearing completely red tinted glasses christ.

Firstly, not it was not always easy being top of the league with every team Pep managed. Anyone who cares to research a bit will know that the Barcelona team he took over was a complete mess. He was the one who helped all those talented players finally fulfill their potential and turn into world-beaters. They became so good people think they were already world beaters even before he arrived. I agree with you on Bayern but he did improve them in every area so there is that.

You can pretty much say the same for Jose as well in terms of how it was easy for him to be top of the league with the amount of money he spent every summer. Rival fans are always snobbish about the way Pep and Jose achieved their success but only a fool tries to claim that they two are not the best managers out there atm.

City may be lucky to be top but so are United who were completely wank against Hull. I am actually very worried that City can remain top despite being **** and with Pep just getting to know the EPL. I think every other team is in trouble when City finally get going.

Mou is a favourite in any big game except in the ones against Pep. His record is horrible against Pep head-to-head.

 

[Alcaraz]

Wenger signed Holding from Bolton as a 20yo lad, fair enough, but Mourinho signed Varane as an 18yo and threw him into the heart of Real Madrid's defence instead of using a 'full back', and he played in 5 champions league games that campaign. He gave Morata his debut as an 18yo, and in the 2012/2013 season, Morata was playing for him in the El Classico, the Madrid derby, etc.. and the most recent example, how about Loftus Cheek who was promoted to the senior team by him at Chelsea? He took him on to replace Cesc Fabregas in the Champions League as his debut, and was played in subsequent premier league games including against Liverpool & Manchester City, plenty of trust there. "There's no way" any of those would've came through under Wenger (H)

It is not simply a matter about age. Mourinho only plays players when they are ready for the big league and by the very nature of football, most young players are not ready by the time they are 19 or 20.

A manager like Wenger on the other hand is more than willing to throw in a completely green youngster even if he knows he is not yet ready because thats the only way he will learn. By playing games, making mistakes and then learning from them. Mourinho will never blood a young 'green' youngster this way.

Varane is a special case because he was already so good when he was young. Any manager in the world would play him. I would hardly call that a case of Mourinho really putting faith in the youth. Also you are completely crazy if you actually think Loftus Cheek is a good example of Jose being a great believer in youth. The guy was terribly unhappy under Mourinho. In fact, many of the Chelsea youngsters disliked him.

 

[Mike.]

It is not simply a matter about age. Mourinho only plays players when they are ready for the big league and by the very nature of football, most young players are not ready by the time they are 19 or 20.

A manager like Wenger on the other hand is more than willing to throw in a completely green youngster even if he knows he is not yet ready because thats the only way he will learn. By playing games, making mistakes and then learning from them. Mourinho will never blood a young 'green' youngster this way.

Varane is a special case because he was already so good when he was young. Any manager in the world would play him. I would hardly call that a case of Mourinho really putting faith in the youth. Also you are completely crazy if you actually think Loftus Cheek is a good example of Jose being a great believer in youth. The guy was terribly unhappy under Mourinho. In fact, many of the Chelsea youngsters disliked him.

The Chelsea players aren't breaking through under any of your managers tbf. Even without Varane his point stands, and you can throw in Santon too. Threw him up against Ronaldo no less. And he was immense.

 

[RhQQ]

It is not simply a matter about age. Mourinho only plays players when they are ready for the big league and by the very nature of football, most young players are not ready by the time they are 19 or 20.

A manager like Wenger on the other hand is more than willing to throw in a completely green youngster even if he knows he is not yet ready because thats the only way he will learn. By playing games, making mistakes and then learning from them. Mourinho will never blood a young 'green' youngster this way.

Varane is a special case because he was already so good when he was young. Any manager in the world would play him. I would hardly call that a case of Mourinho really putting faith in the youth. Also you are completely crazy if you actually think Loftus Cheek is a good example of Jose being a great believer in youth. The guy was terribly unhappy under Mourinho. In fact, many of the Chelsea youngsters disliked him.

How many titles has Wenger won over the last decade compared to Mourinho? That's the bottom line.

 

[RhQQ]

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE I SAID, WHY????

 

[Alcaraz]

The Chelsea players aren't breaking through under any of your managers tbf. Even without Varane his point stands, and you can throw in Santon too. Threw him up against Ronaldo no less. And he was immense.

Not really. Any manager would have played Varane because he was already so good at that age. A manager who really can be considered a true believer in youth is one that is willing to throw in youngsters even when its not clear that they are good enough and have faith that they will come good. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it does not. Also whether RLC is breaking through or not is irrelevant. RhQQ tried to use him as a positive example for Mourinho which he quite clearly is not. Either way, Mourinho clearly does not belong in this category.

How many titles has Wenger won over the last decade compared to Mourinho? That's the bottom line.

K

 

[Alcaraz]

Anyways this is a pointless debate. Mourinho's terrible reputation with youth may be a tad unfair but he clearly prefers retaining faith in senior players and sometimes even playing them out of position during periods of poor form or injury crisis rather than throwing on untested youngsters unless they are clearly very talented like Varane.

Whether that is right or wrong for the team is another debate.

 

[RhQQ]

Not really. Any manager would have played Varane because he was already so good at that age. A manager who really can be considered a true believer in youth is one that is willing to throw in youngsters even when its not clear that they are good enough and have faith that they will come good. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it does not. Also whether RLC is breaking through or not is irrelevant. RhQQ tried to use him as a positive example for Mourinho which he quite clearly is not. Either way, Mourinho clearly does not belong in this category.

You say it as if I used Varane as my sole example, which I did not. Damola gave an example of Arsenal signing a young centre half (Holding) and throwing him into important games, I countered that with the simple fact of Mourinho signing a young centre half (Varane) and played him in big games, but because Mourinho signed the better player, and younger at the time too I may add, it somehow makes him less of a believer in youth in this particular situation?

Wenger has used his youth more than Mourinho, no question, but is he right to? Why should he get plaudits for it? He is managing the one of the supposed leading clubs in world football, not a secondary school, what has it done for him? Whilst Mourinho has been winning titles, with it has to be said fewer youth (but not non-existent!), Arsenal have been celebrating finishing above Spurs! Unless these youth players win him titles, then that "faith" in them instead of signing proven players which the club & fans deserve, could be perceived a little small minded & a sense of timidity, and many Arsenal fans I know feel that way.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

..... Mou is a favourite in any big game except in the ones against Pep. His record is horrible against Pep head-to-head.

Same goes for Mourinho against Klopp (P5 W1 D1 L3 F7 A11, including losing a Champions League semi. His only victory coming in the dead second leg of that after Madrid got licked 4-1 in Dortmund), but out of interest, you've just had me looking at Klopp and Guardiola's head-to-head. All in the Germany.

4-1-3 in Pep's favour by 1 win. 8 goals scored apiece. Pep beat him in 1 Pokal final. Klopp beat him in another semi-final and the German Super Cup. 3-2 in Guardiola's favour the league. 1 piece of silverware apiece in head-to-head matches.

The crazy German certainly holds his own to say the least in head-to-heads with the pair.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

..... Arsenal have been celebrating finishing above Spurs! .....

God that was cringe worthy embarrassing the way they celebrated that last year like they'd won the league. When in truth not only did 'Spurs finish second to all intents and purposes being as they completely stopped having any heart to play after the Chelsea loss finished the title race; Arsenal not winning the league in such an abnormal season as last year when they had every opportunity with only Tottenham as anything remotely approaching a big club to overcome was an absolute disgrace in itself and nottin' that should of had a (false) second place 'consolation' celebrated like it was a European Cup win. (Said with absolutely zero disrespect intended to the Champions Leicester who earned it on merit.).

 

[Mike.]

Not really. Any manager would have played Varane because he was already so good at that age. A manager who really can be considered a true believer in youth is one that is willing to throw in youngsters even when its not clear that they are good enough and have faith that they will come good. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it does not. Also whether RLC is breaking through or not is irrelevant. RhQQ tried to use him as a positive example for Mourinho which he quite clearly is not. Either way, Mourinho clearly does not belong in this category.



K

18 year old David Santon vs C Ronaldo. Had played just 4 Serie A games that season, before being thrown up against him. At left back despite being right footed. he had played one game at LB before then.

 

[Mike.]

You say it as if I used Varane as my sole example, which I did not. Damola gave an example of Arsenal signing a young centre half (Holding) and throwing him into important games, I countered that with the simple fact of Mourinho signing a young centre half (Varane) and played him in big games, but because Mourinho signed the better player, and younger at the time too I may add, it somehow makes him less of a believer in youth in this particular situation?

Wenger has used his youth more than Mourinho, no question, but is he right to? Why should he get plaudits for it? He is managing the one of the supposed leading clubs in world football, not a secondary school, what has it done for him? Whilst Mourinho has been winning titles, with it has to be said fewer youth (but not non-existent!), Arsenal have been celebrating finishing above Spurs! Unless these youth players win him titles, then that "faith" in them instead of signing proven players which the club & fans deserve, could be perceived a little small minded & a sense of timidity, and many Arsenal fans I know feel that way.

Jack Wilshere is supposed to be the pick of the youth.

He's at Bournemouth, having been replaced by 30m man Granit Xhaka

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Not that it effects me, and this is more so anyone that might actually be going the Derby tomorrow like, but half 12 Sat'day kick-off's are utter wank. It just kill's everything. Nobody's had a real bevvie. Everyone's still goosed from the Friday night and early start. Even the players more often than not are flat. Don't think there's many if any football fans have happy memories of the Sat'day dinner kick-off's as regards belting games that really stand out.

So I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that play a factor in dampening things tomorrow.

I get why GMP push for that. To limit drinking and aggro. (Not that, that ever really works are you're then just pushing it onto yer average shoppers the afternoon when the majority hit town after.). But it's still an utter ***** kick-off time as a fan and a real ball ache at times.

Thankfully tomorrow we have the BT game at half 5 which is just the perfect kick-off more often than not. Particularly a home game when yers can have a relaxing day and a good few ales the afternoon prior.

 

[Mike.]

Not that it effects me, and this is more so anyone that might actually be going the Derby tomorrow like, but half 12 Sat'day kick-off's are utter wank. It just kill's everything. Nobody's had a real bevvie. Everyone's still goosed from the Friday night and early start. Even the players more often than not are flat. Don't think there's many if any football fans have happy memories of the Sat'day dinner kick-off's as regards belting games that really stand out.

So I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that play a factor in dampening things tomorrow.

I get why GMP push for that. To limit drinking and aggro. (Not that, that ever really works are you're then just pushing it onto yer average shoppers the afternoon when the majority hit town after.). But it's still an utter ***** kick-off time as a fan and a real ball ache at times.

Thankfully tomorrow we have the BT game at half 5 which is just the perfect kick-off more often than not. Particularly a home game when yers can have a relaxing day and a good few ales the afternoon prior.

It's not going to live up to the ridiculous hype. This isn't a game changing or title defining match. It's early in the day, early in the season. But as you say, it's understandable. It was always going to be on TV, and 5:30 game would be a disaster, there are always significant minorities of dickheads, and the rest of the city shouldn't suffer for it.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Very good 1-1 draw tonight against City u23s. They dominated possession but tbh created very little CCCs thanks to a good defence and midfield organisation. Willocks goal was class and my MOTM. Was helped out as much as possible by Harrop who played well also and could of nicked it in the second half after some great 1-2 passing between him and Willock and new Captain Tuanzebe bringing it out from the back. Diaz scored there equaliser after a bad give away from Demi Mitchel. And he could of scored the winner with the last kick, if not from an outstanding save by o Hara. Very pleased to see DJ Buffonge make his u23 debut at 17. Looked lively and made some good runs, looks a talent.

 

[RhQQ]

Putting the rivalry & tomorrow's game aside for a moment, before going back into derby mode... I know I do enjoy having banter with some city mates, and I love to see them lose & get on their backs, but it really is so nice for the city of Manchester to just have two heavyweights, being practically equal, with two of the greatest managers in the world leading them, going potentially punch for punch for the title. Just so beneficial for the city in general, the buzz about the place is electric when I pop over. I saw Pep's conference earlier after I watched Jose's, he said not only have City fans ambushed him with hugs & love, every United fan he's met has said hi and been more than polite to him. Football rivalry aside, you have to respect Guardiola and how he took up the challenge to come here, it would've been very easy to stay at Bayern Munich winning title after title, possibly striking a Champions League or two, and even though I don't overly approve of the whole idea of City being bought by a billionaire and buying success, it has definitely spiced things up in Manchester and notched up the rivalry & banter among the fans by a million times.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Putting the rivalry & tomorrow's game aside for a moment, before going back into derby mode... I know I do enjoy having banter with some city mates, and I love to see them lose & get on their backs, but it really is so nice for the city of Manchester to just have two heavyweights, being practically equal, with two of the greatest managers in the world leading them, going potentially punch for punch for the title. Just so beneficial for the city in general, the buzz about the place is electric when I pop over. I saw Pep's conference earlier after I watched Jose's, he said not only have City fans ambushed him with hugs & love, every United fan he's met has said hi and been more than polite to him. Football rivalry aside, you have to respect Guardiola and how he took up the challenge to come here, it would've been very easy to stay at Bayern Munich winning title after title, possibly striking a Champions League or two, and even though I don't overly approve of the whole idea of City being bought by a billionaire and buying success, it has definitely spiced things up in Manchester and notched up the rivalry & banter among the fans by a million times.

Meh, regardless of all the above (and I get where you're coming from there), they'll always be a small joke of a club that's just happened to sprout an oil well.

I think underneath all the L'pool/ Utd bollocks, there's a grudging respect both ways from most long standing supporters on the actual football clubs that always try and do things the right way and traditionally have proper fans. Even if you would never get many to admit that in public.

Citeh on the other hand have always been small fry in comparison and a continued cluster **** before the Arabs tipped up.

 

[ninjaskill]

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From the BBC selector thing, incidentally 7 United players in the first 11 to 4 for City, Dave being the top pick is no surprise as he is incredible and nor is Pereira being not picked to start it. Maybe as he is on loan at Granada people feel he may not play