The Manchester United Thread

[zzeezzy]

Honestly don't be surprised if we're a few months into the season with a few injuries like last season and thinking to ourselves... if only we had Pereira as an option now.

We're no better this season in terms of depth... he should of been given a good crack at United this season.

Our brightest young player right now who isn't actively involved with our first team.

 

[Mike.]

He should of been given a shot at United first and foremost. What on earth could he do to get one this season based on his last loan move?

Our creative central midfield depth isn't great... Fellaini... Herrera...... it kind of ends there.

Think you're doing a big disservice to teams in PL.

What about Southampton? Watford under Marco Silva? Plenty of good footballing teams in the prem. He is better off in this league than La Liga, if he is going to make it at United anytime soon.

Personally I think this is just us kind of looking to sell him in a season or two. Annoyingly, I really think he could of offered us something here this season, competing with the fringes of our first team squad.

His last loan move was exactly the level he was at, hence why he was there.

The idea that he is better off playing in the Premier League to get a shot at United is nonsense.

Our best defender hadn't played a minute of PL football before he joined.

He's a playmaker. Which league creates the best playmakers?

I'd rather see him go and play 40 games for Valencia that 10 for us. Worst case scenario, put a recall clause in

 

[RhQQ]

At the moment, we're fine in depth. He's at least 3rd choice in that CM role (could argue even Fellaini's ahead for Jose), 4th & 5th in advanced areas. Pogba's never injured, Herrera has a decent record too.

He would've got minutes throughout the campaign, but who are we to begrudge him week in/week out football if he requests a loan, given how many players are ahead of him here? I'd like to see him in the PL to keep a closer eye/let him get used to it, but I'd have no issue with him playing for Valencia with much better players than Granada and would probably finish top 8 in the PL.

 

[ninjaskill]

Valencia are playing some really good football and have a really good manager in Marcelinho, who was in charge of bailly at Villarreal so can produce a player ready to slot into a United team. A good manager is important in helping to develop a young player as is first team football and both those boxes will be ticked at Valencia and they are a team that will be playing as the better side in games which is more like what he will face at United than running shuttle runs in front of a back four under Pulis. If I was him I would 100% pick Valencia over any English team that would realistically give him first team football

 

[Mike.]

Did anyone see Valencia vs Madrid tonight? That's a club I want him to play at and learn from.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Related, kind of ..... If I ever emigrated, I'd love to live in Valencia. Boss City and a boss football club. With, now Atlético have sadly moved, the best ground in Spain.

As you were.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Did anyone see Valencia vs Madrid tonight? That's a club I want him to play at and learn from.

Played some great stuff. Good place for Periera to hone his skills in a role Mourinho wants him to play! 3 games 3 wins 10 gls 0 conceded dominating games with different scorers. Zzeezzy meltdown starting already

 

[zzeezzy]

Sorry, but you guys change your tune. Virtually everyone here at start of season wanted Pereira given a good chance at United this season. Suddenly 3 wins and everyones mind has been narrowed it seems.

Btw Rhqq, that depth isn't even much when you consider that's for a 2 in the midfield. What if we go to a 4-3-3?

Everyone has their own opinion, but I know for a fact a lot of people here werre saying he should be given a shot at United and are now saying different.

Oh and one last thing on this, it's not a meltdown when it's an opinion on a player who we should be keeping. Honestly, whenever there is a point of view that differs from the majority, it's a 'meltdown' apparently.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Played some great stuff. Good place for Periera to hone his skills in a role Mourinho wants him to play! .....

Point of interest. You were killed telling everyone that Periera would play a major role this season early in the summer down to Mourinho saying he really liked him and had been in regular contact with him through his loan. Now you're saying it's a perfect loan in a role he really wants him to play. Mate, Mourinho talks that many different ways most things that come out of his mouth aren't worth a ****.

If you've been bitten once on it with Periera this summer, don't fall for it again.

 

[zzeezzy]

Point of interest. You were killed telling everyone that Periera would play a major role this season early in the summer down to Mourinho saying he really liked him and had been in regular contact with him through his loan. Now you're saying it's a perfect loan in a role he really wants him to play. Mate, Mourinho talks that many different ways most things that come out of his mouth aren't worth a ****.

If you've been bitten once on it with Periera this summer, don't fall for it again.

Just backs up my point honestly, people change their tune to suit the time of need.

Majority of United fans were all saying Pereira should be given a good shot at United.

I get that times and opinions change, but it's not like we suddenly have more depth or anything than we did in midfield pre-season. So there is no justifying it other than being hypocritical.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

I don't see z as having a 'breakdown' either. (You guys need to get away from that every time you don't like what he say's. It's getting over used now even if he is playing off it.).

Where I don't agree with him personally is right here, right now Periera would be a sound move for his progression as he's patently completely out of the picture at Utd for everything previously discussed.

But when he goes on to say he believes he should be given a chance and games as part of the squad, what's wrong with that? It's the same as TFM. You could make a good case that he should be involved at Utd with the extra games this year as much as you can make a case for him going out and playing every week. He never even got much of a look in friendlies or minor cup games so the 'he's not ready' argument becomes redundant. He never will be if he's not given the opportunity.

But then you should know better z that this manager VERY rarely rolls with untried and untrusted youth. He buys for the short term with experience he trusts to get the job done for him now. So the chances of either him or TFM playing much of any part this year in reality were excessively slim to start with. As it is with most anyone in the same boat under Mourinho. It's just not and never has been the way he works.

 

[zzeezzy]

I don't see z as having a 'breakdown' either. (You guys need to get away from that every time you don't like what he say's. It's getting over used now even if he is playing off it.).

Where I don't agree with him personally is right here, right now Valencia would be a sound move for his progression as he's patently completely out of the picture at Utd for everything previously discussed.

But when he goes on to say he believes he should be given a chance and games as part of the squad, what's wrong with that? It's the same as TFM. You could make a good case that he should be involved at Utd with the extra games this year as much as you can make a case for him going out and playing every week. He never even got much of a look in friendlies or minor cup games so the 'he's not ready' argument becomes redundant. He never will be if he's not given the opportunity.

But then you should know better z that this manager VERY rarely rolls with untried and untrusted youth. He buys for the short term with experience he trusts to get the job done for him now. So the chances of either him or TFM playing much of any part this year in reality were excessively slim to start with. As it is with most anyone in the same boat under Mourinho. It's just not and never has been the way he works.

Well said, I think that's a fair way to move on from this Pereira topic, seeing it from both sides of the coin.

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Point of interest. You were killed telling everyone that Periera would play a major role this season early in the summer down to Mourinho saying he really liked him and had been in regular contact with him through his loan. Now you're saying it's a perfect loan in a role he really wants him to play. Mate, Mourinho talks that many different ways most things that come out of his mouth aren't worth a ****.

If you've been bitten once on it with Periera this summer, don't fall for it again.

Never once said major role! Said that he would get plenty mins most likely in cups and a few here and there in the league. If Periera doesn't want that, then send him out on loan. And Mourinho doesn't even want to loan him actually, already said no last week to Valencia. But Periera wants to play. Perfect loan for him!

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Sorry, but you guys change your tune. Virtually everyone here at start of season wanted Pereira given a good chance at United this season. Suddenly 3 wins and everyones mind has been narrowed it seems.

Btw Rhqq, that depth isn't even much when you consider that's for a 2 in the midfield. What if we go to a 4-3-3?

Everyone has their own opinion, but I know for a fact a lot of people here werre saying he should be given a shot at United and are now saying different.

Oh and one last thing on this, it's not a meltdown when it's an opinion on a player who we should be keeping. Honestly, whenever there is a point of view that differs from the majority, it's a 'meltdown' apparently.

Jeez mate lighten up its was an obvious joke! No need to be so sensitive Yeah we all want him given a chance. The fact is he won't in the Prem because he's down the order. And he's not happy with the amount of Cup games/ mins he think he will get. Loan the best option for all parties.

 

[Scouseinthehouse]

Mate you were hyping him up to be like a boss new signing that would be a major part the squad and you know you were. Don't swerve away from that now.

If you continue to want to hang on Jose here sound. Just bemusing you would when you've fallen into that trap already this summer. Neither here nor there to me like.

As z alluded to, he's going out, it's been debated, move on. What's next?

 

[Theatre of dreams]

Mate you were hyping him up to be like a boss new signing that would be a major part the squad and you know you were. Don't swerve away from that now.

If you continue to want to hang on Jose here sound. Just bemusing you would when you've fallen into that trap already this summer. Neither here nor there to me like.

As z alluded to, he's going out, it's been debated, move on. What's next?

Yeah no denying I was hyping him up. He had a fantastic season tbh all things considered. Ain't hanging on Jose anything that was what Periera also said in live interviews after various talks with Mourinho during his loan spell.

 

[RhQQ]

Sorry, but you guys change your tune. Virtually everyone here at start of season wanted Pereira given a good chance at United this season. Suddenly 3 wins and everyones mind has been narrowed it seems.

Btw Rhqq, that depth isn't even much when you consider that's for a 2 in the midfield. What if we go to a 4-3-3?

Everyone has their own opinion, but I know for a fact a lot of people here werre saying he should be given a shot at United and are now saying different.

Oh and one last thing on this, it's not a meltdown when it's an opinion on a player who we should be keeping. Honestly, whenever there is a point of view that differs from the majority, it's a 'meltdown' apparently.

That's only for the more creative CM area, there's Matic, Carrick & Fellaini too for deeper. Even McTominay. Nobody's saying he shouldn't be given a shot, yes I would've liked to have him around, but if he requested the loan, because he wants to play week in/week out football to progress his game, it'd be selfish to say no, considering we can't even guarantee him 15-20 starts. You're almost lashing out at the club, when it was he that initiated it. Yes he would've got plenty of minutes throughout the season, and yes his profile was a fine back-up to Pogba, but not as many minutes/starts as his ambitious mindset wants. Can't fault the kid for that.

Always the chance to be recalled halfway through the season too.

 

[Mike.]

Sorry, but you guys change your tune. Virtually everyone here at start of season wanted Pereira given a good chance at United this season. Suddenly 3 wins and everyones mind has been narrowed it seems.

Btw Rhqq, that depth isn't even much when you consider that's for a 2 in the midfield. What if we go to a 4-3-3?

Everyone has their own opinion, but I know for a fact a lot of people here werre saying he should be given a shot at United and are now saying different.

Oh and one last thing on this, it's not a meltdown when it's an opinion on a player who we should be keeping. Honestly, whenever there is a point of view that differs from the majority, it's a 'meltdown' apparently.

No one has changed their tone

It's the player who wants to go on loan.

Right now, even Herrera isnt starting, as the 4-2-3-1 is in play.

The next best thing is for him to go and play 40 games. Doing that at Valencia would be incredible. AS long as we get him to extend

 

[Mike.]

That's only for the more creative CM area, there's Matic, Carrick & Fellaini too for deeper. Even McTominay. Nobody's saying he shouldn't be given a shot, yes I would've liked to have him around, but if he requested the loan, because he wants to play week in/week out football to progress his game, it'd be selfish to say no, considering we can't even guarantee him 15-20 starts. You're almost lashing out at the club, when it was he that initiated it. Yes he would've got plenty of minutes throughout the season, and yes his profile was a fine back-up to Pogba, but not as many minutes/starts as his ambitious mindset wants. Can't fault the kid for that.

Always the chance to be recalled halfway through the season too.

Nailed it

 

[Theatre of dreams]

No one has changed their tone

It's the player who wants to go on loan.

Right now, even Herrera isnt starting, as the 4-2-3-1 is in play.

The next best thing is for him to go and play 40 games. Doing that at Valencia would be incredible. AS long as we get him to extend

Cant remember off the top of my head but I'm sure we had an extra year option to rake it till 2019?