The Manchester United Thread

Why Alli he’s been poor most the season! Pogba isn’t a defensive disciplined CM like Dembele or a DM like Dier. Our attacking players aren’t the problem CM is.

Uhh cmon, 21 year old kid having a bit badish season. Does not rank up goals and assists like last season and instantly labeled a bad season. There is more to his game than goals and assists.
Have to consider over half of the season they have played without Wanyama what is also effect Eriksen. Also missing Aldy, so they need to sacrifice things to make things more defensive.
 
Uhh cmon, 21 year old kid having a bit badish season. Does not rank up goals and assists like last season and instantly labeled a bad season. There is more to his game than goals and assists.
Have to consider over half of the season they have played without Wanyama what is also effect Eriksen. Also missing Aldy, so they need to sacrifice things to make things more defensive.
Nothing wrong with saying he’s having a fairly poor season by his standards. Nothing wrong with criticism of a player. Doesn’t make him a bad player!
 
See Herrera match fixing case at Zaragoza has been reopened by reports in Spain. Doesn’t seem like he’s in trouble though. Will see.
 
Some whispers about Alderweireld.... Imagine...

Best CB in the league, it's not up for debate. Imagine him & Bailly together..
 
Great impact from 15 year old Anthony Elanga who came on after 61 minutes and scored twice to help United u16s to a 3-2 win against Rangers under 20s. Elanga is a lightning quick player who can play anywhere across the front line and has been adding a lot of goals to his game recently
 
Some whispers about Alderweireld.... Imagine...

Best CB in the league, it's not up for debate. Imagine him & Bailly together..

Whispers of what, him coming to United? Find it hard to believe.

I love Alderweireld but I always wonder why it did not work for him at Atletico? I'm not questioning him I'm just genuinely curious. Maybe he didn't play much as there were some great CB's there like Godin and Miranda etc.

Doing great how exactly? Excerpt from playing some good football.

What do you expect from Spurs, winning the PL? If you do I guess that is a sign of how good this team can be.

I just look at how Poch has developed a lot of those players and moulded this team into the style he wants, it is really impressive.

Still think that if they get CL it's a successful season because they are competing with bigger clubs both in terms of money and stature,
 
Not sure what happened at Atletico, didn't know much of him back in those days, but I think Salah & De Bruyne are living proof that things not working out at a former club doesn't define you - so I'm really not that curious.

As for Poch, I agree with you; he's a special coach. If & when Zidane leaves Madrid, he's going to be on the shortlist if not top. Mad how he still splits opinion, what more does he have to prove? Obviously winning a trophy, but he has Tottenham Hotspur as a title challenger (bar this season) and has them a side that everyone would want to avoid in Europe, all of this with a skinnier squad, less resources, and playing champagne football.
 
Honest question, how many times did Poch get his team into semifinal/final or some competition?
 
Honest question, how many times did Poch get his team into semifinal/final or some competition?
Think they got to the Semi final of the FA Cup last year. But was a while before that. No denying he is a good coach. But he’s not managing farmers. And he’s signed good players and has as good a squad as most in the Prem. Despite playing such good football the last 3 seasons. They are not really close to winning anything except from challenging last season, but blowing it in games when it mattered. Season before that they finished 11 points behind and did poor in the cups. And there miles behind this season with the rest of us.

Just seems ems to me that it’s great Spurs when they play well. It’s Poch and Spurs are amazing. But if they lose or don’t do well in a comp it’s aww it’s little old Spurs what do you expect from them.
 
Some whispers about Alderweireld.... Imagine...

Best CB in the league, it's not up for debate. Imagine him & Bailly together..

He been touted as the replacement for Vinny for 3 years as well, cant see him leaving
 
Good post I found today on Pogba and the problems he’s having atm. And makes sense with regards to Mourinho admitting that Central Midfield will be the key area of his transfer plans. Was from a Le Harve and massive Pogba fan who has never missed one of his games since being at Le Harve-

Football is a team sports, there isn't a single player out there who is able to do things alone, who can play every roles just because his manager asked him or because he has all the talent of the world, not even Ronaldo and Messi. Everything in football is about combinations, synergy and mutual understanding. Players need roles that suit their qualities and compliment their teammates roles. That's the problem that we have at United, that's the problem that Pogba has at United and had with France.
In the case of France that problem completely vanished when he had Lemar and one of Tolisso/Kanté next to him or when he had Lassana Diarra behind him. And the reason is fairly simple, Tolisso and Kanté are all action players with decent defensive abilities, they can play at Pogba's rhythm without problem, while Lemar and Diarra are football magnets, the game invariably goes through them, they automatically take control of the flow which allows Pogba to concentrate on his impact player abilities.
At United Pogba is supposed to control the flow of the game which isn't one of his main tools, we expose his flaws because we don't have a complimentary set of midfielders, none of them are game managers and weirdly enough even our attacking midfielders are a flawed group, all them are goalscorers none are the creative type, we don't have a Ozil, Hazard, Ribery, Iniesta, Isco, De Bruyne or whoever else, so Pogba has to do it himself which isn't his best role.
 
I think it is so flawed to say that midfield is not up to back up Pogba. Like Keane told, if you are midfielder you should be up to play in midfield of 2 or 3. Matic and Herrera are not that bad.

Tolisso/Kanté next to him or when he had Lassana Diarra behind him. And the reason is fairly simple, Tolisso and Kanté are all action players with decent defensive abilities
Kante and Tolisson are two different players and Matic is much better defensive than Tolisson.

none are the creative type, we don't have a Ozil, Hazard, Ribery, Iniesta, Isco, De Bruyne or whoever else, so Pogba has to do it himself which isn't his best role.

You have Mata for crying out loud. If it comes down to not having players who suit playing together, the blame should go who wanted them or it comes down not (wanting) changing the tactics to facilitate your players.
 
I think it is so flawed to say that midfield is not up to back up Pogba. Like Keane told, if you are midfielder you should be up to play in midfield of 2 or 3. Matic and Herrera are not that bad.


Kante and Tolisson are two different players and Matic is much better defensive than Tolisson.



You have Mata for crying out loud. If it comes down to not having players who suit playing together, the blame should go who wanted them or it comes down not (wanting) changing the tactics to facilitate your players.

That's really not true though. Guardiola would not put KDB in a midfield pivot when it's detrimental to his game.

Mourinho is trying to make Pogba something he isn't. And it's having a negative impact on the entire side. He can do a decent job, but we're not looking for decent.
 
None of this should take away from
The fact that pogba has been rubbish in the last couple of games. But we should be playing 433
 
I think it is so flawed to say that midfield is not up to back up Pogba. Like Keane told, if you are midfielder you should be up to play in midfield of 2 or 3. Matic and Herrera are not that bad.


Kante and Tolisson are two different players and Matic is much better defensive than Tolisson.



You have Mata for crying out loud. If it comes down to not having players who suit playing together, the blame should go who wanted them or it comes down not (wanting) changing the tactics to facilitate your players.
Normaly I would agree. But Herrera is that out of form this season when he’s played. 433 with him no doubt would benifit Pogba. But he’s not of the quality of the 2 mentioned far from it. Hence Mourinho wanting to strengthen.

Imo Pogba needs to be doing a **** of a lot more also despite playing in a 2.
 
I can *SORT OF* see where he's coming from (only sort of) with pursuing with 4-2-3-1, even if I hate it. As if you take either one of Sanchez, Martial, Lingard or Lukaku off for an average McTominay, confidence-stricken Herrera, or, well, Fellaini, you are weakening the side (quality wise) even if it is more balanced.

Moral of the story: Sign a top CM in the summer to play 4-3-3. Whether that's a box-to-box/destroyer type midfielder in Vidal, controlling type in Jorginho, or some extra x-factor in Mil-Savic, get someone in.
 
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