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of course he was going to bring his own guys in, especially AM
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It's **** that Rene is leaving. I like him allot...
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I have no real problem with Moyes bringing in new coaches but the reports and rumours and articles I have read have said that Rene is set to leave than be demoted to head of the youth team or a role similar to that. Now if this is true, frankly I'm going to be a little bit ****** (some reports saying Phill Neville taking over Rene's responsibilities
Yeah he was offered the youth role he had a few years back. Disappointing, but on the other hand it means that Moyes approves of Meulensteen's methods, and so he should. Meulensteen is one of the finest graduates of Coerver. The Coerver method is one of the best ways to teach lethal technical football, something that we are seeing in our upcoming youth.
Still, great shame to lose Rene.
I dont follow Fiorentina much but is he not more of CAM ? Dont see why kagawa should not play there if he is fit.All we need is 2 Midfielders like Strootman or Rossi
He can play anywhere. Both wings and CM ( though he's not that good defensively). He's best attribute is his dribbling. Doesn't have the pace of Valencia, but he's two footed and clever enough to create chances. I agree, Kagawa should be playing, but having 20* yo guy as a rotational player isn't bad. Problem is, where can we fit Powell then, because Ljajic pretty much takes his place.
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View attachment 351167This looks like the new shirt we will be wearing this season coming, personally I think it looks pretty nice. I know the official launch of the new shirt is on wednesday but looking at the United promo video and the pre-order page for the shirts image( RVP wearing the shirt but it's been blacked out, however you can see that it has tight sleeves and a moderate height to the neckline) they look a **** close match. Thoughts?
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The kit looks brilliant!
That's what de Gea wrote on Thiago's ball after his hat-trick against Italy. It says "see you in Manchester".
only if he goes to city or we play barc in the cl
Yes, because United is small club, doesn't have the money and fans are complete idiots. Well, one of those statements are true.
and where did i say any of that just dont think it will happen is alll
It’s best for Rooney and Manchester United, if he stays at Old Trafford
James DuckerJune 20 2013 09:06AM
Picture the scene: Wayne Rooney collects the ball on the edge of the penalty area, turns his marker and fires a shot low into the corner in front of the Stretford End at Old Trafford to win the match with a few minutes remaining.
Only the Stretford End is silent and at the opposite end of the ground a few thousand Chelsea fans are revelling in the moment, taunting their Manchester United counterparts with chants of “Where’s your Rooney gone?” and then some. The date? August 24, only David Moyes’s second game in charge of United.
Or how about another scenario: while United have found the going tough in their first ten games of the new Barclays Premier League season, losing to Chelsea and Manchester City and stumbling to a draw at Liverpool, Arsenal rock up at Old Trafford on November 9 with a spring in their step.
Rooney has helped his new team take full advantage of a favourable opening set of fixtures in comparison to their title rivals to sit pretty at the top of the table. Inspired by the boos from large sections of the Old Trafford crowd, Rooney puts in a match-winning performance as the champions are narrowly beaten by an Arsenal side for whom the England forward is just one of several notable summer arrivals.
Both situations are hypothetical, of course, but when the fixtures dropped yesterday morning and Moyes discovered that he could not have been handed a much more exacting start to life as Sir Alex Ferguson’s successor, the Rooney conundrum will once again have been brought into sharp focus. Indeed, do not bet against Moyes having thought through something similar in his own head.
Under Ferguson, United were never really a club who took a short-term outlook and they do not expect that to change much under Moyes, but getting a good start – or at least navigating a path strewn with some forbidding early hurdles – must be foremost in the Scot’s mind at this moment. In that sense, offloading Rooney, particularly to a Premier League rival, would represent an even bigger gamble today than it did a week ago.
Publicly and privately, United maintain that Rooney will not be sold, and certainly not to another domestic title challenger. But should a parting of ways become inevitable, the question is whether United view Rooney in the Juan Sebastian Veron bracket or that group containing David Beckham, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Jaap Stam and Gabriel Heinze? If the answer is the latter, a move abroad would be Rooney’s only realistic solution, and that is when his options start to look seriously limited.
United sold Veron to Chelsea in 2003, confident in the knowledge that after two underwhelming seasons at Old Trafford the then-Argentina midfielder would not cause them too many sleepless nights in the blue of their rivals. That was borne out, with Veron making just 14 appearances in the 2003/04 campaign for Chelsea before being loaned out for three successive seasons and then eventually sold in 2007.
Beckham, Van Nistelrooy, Stam and Heinze were different. United were of the view that the sale of any of those players to another Premier League rival could come back to haunt them and so only a move overseas was permitted. Remember the lengths to which United went to ensure Heinze did not get his move to Liverpool?
Rooney, by any reckoning, would have to share the same company as Beckham and company. He may not have set hearts racing over the past two seasons, to the point where Ferguson was trying to engineer the England striker’s exit and would almost certainly have succeeding in doing so had he not retired last month.
Yet Rooney still scored 50 goals at a time when he was growing ever more disillusioned by his treatment at the hands of a manager with whom his relationship had become fractured. Seldom did he play regularly in one settled position and the sight of him being hauled off at key junctures in key games or overlooked altogether became a worryingly regular occurrence. Then there were the repeated blunt references to his physique and fitness.
Doubts persist about the value of awarding another long-term contract worth £250,000 to a player who will be 28 in October and who has faced all manner of questions about whether his physique will allow him to still be playing at the highest level in his early thirties.
But Moyes, who guided the player’s early career at Everton, will be acutely aware that a rejuvenated Rooney with a point to prove and more than a decade of Premier League experience behind him, will be a considerable asset to any top flight club in England. So, why run the risk of letting him flourish at a rival when United could reap the benefits of that?
A lot will come down to Rooney. Is he willing to make a fresh start at United and show he deserves the new contract that, according to well-placed sources, the club will not simply hand out to appease him because he is about to enter the final two years of his existing deal? Or, denied a move to another English club, could he move to France, where Monaco or Paris Saint Germain might be willing to roll out the red carpet, in the anticipated absence of interest from Europe’s biggest clubs in Spain, Germany and Italy?
Equally, the player is concerned about the reaction he may get from United fans, who were spun something of a yarn when Ferguson announced publicly that Rooney had requested a transfer. He did not, he simply raised questions about his future under Ferguson during a private meeting with the manager a fortnight or so before it was known that the Scot was retiring. In that sense, Moyes inherited a mess that could easily have been avoided had Ferguson not appeared to be behaving like a man who had still to forgive Rooney for his threat to quit Old Trafford in 2010.
Rooney could probably just about argue that a prospective transfer to PSG, the ambitious French champions who have lofty targets beyond the Champions League quarter-final spot they secured last season, was not simply about the money. That would be considerably harder at Monaco, who, despite their promotion to Ligue 1 last season and the grand plans of Dmitry Rybolovlev, their billionaire Russian owner, attracted an average attendance of 5,295 last term and have no Champions League football to offer.
After playing in front of 76,000 at Old Trafford for so long, that would be quite an adjustment for Rooney, even accounting for the tax benefits of living in Monaco and the prospect of players alongside team-mates as talented as Radamel Falcao, Joao Moutinho, James Rodriguez and Ricardo Carvalho.
As for Europe’s big-hitters, Rooney has been largely overlooked as clubs pursue other Premier League players. Real want Gareth Bale, of Tottenham Hotspur, and, if they fail in their attempts to sign Edinson Cavani, the Uruguay striker, from Napoli, Luis Suárez, the Liverpool forward. Bayern Munich, if they cannot persuade Borussia Dortmund to offload Robert Lewandowski, may turn to Suárez . AC Milan and Juventus are tracking Carlos Tevez, the Manchester City striker. As for Barcelona, they have already spent a minimum of £48.9 million to bring Neymar, the Brazil forward, from Santos to Spain.
All things considered – the perils of United selling to a Premier League rival and the lack of tantalising options abroad for Rooney beyond a huge pay-day – would suggest a renewal of wedding vows may be in the best interests of both parties.
James DuckerJune 20 2013 09:06AM
Picture the scene: Wayne Rooney collects the ball on the edge of the penalty area, turns his marker and fires a shot low into the corner in front of the Stretford End at Old Trafford to win the match with a few minutes remaining.
Only the Stretford End is silent and at the opposite end of the ground a few thousand Chelsea fans are revelling in the moment, taunting their Manchester United counterparts with chants of “Where’s your Rooney gone?” and then some. The date? August 24, only David Moyes’s second game in charge of United.
Or how about another scenario: while United have found the going tough in their first ten games of the new Barclays Premier League season, losing to Chelsea and Manchester City and stumbling to a draw at Liverpool, Arsenal rock up at Old Trafford on November 9 with a spring in their step.
Rooney has helped his new team take full advantage of a favourable opening set of fixtures in comparison to their title rivals to sit pretty at the top of the table. Inspired by the boos from large sections of the Old Trafford crowd, Rooney puts in a match-winning performance as the champions are narrowly beaten by an Arsenal side for whom the England forward is just one of several notable summer arrivals.
Both situations are hypothetical, of course, but when the fixtures dropped yesterday morning and Moyes discovered that he could not have been handed a much more exacting start to life as Sir Alex Ferguson’s successor, the Rooney conundrum will once again have been brought into sharp focus. Indeed, do not bet against Moyes having thought through something similar in his own head.
Under Ferguson, United were never really a club who took a short-term outlook and they do not expect that to change much under Moyes, but getting a good start – or at least navigating a path strewn with some forbidding early hurdles – must be foremost in the Scot’s mind at this moment. In that sense, offloading Rooney, particularly to a Premier League rival, would represent an even bigger gamble today than it did a week ago.
Publicly and privately, United maintain that Rooney will not be sold, and certainly not to another domestic title challenger. But should a parting of ways become inevitable, the question is whether United view Rooney in the Juan Sebastian Veron bracket or that group containing David Beckham, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Jaap Stam and Gabriel Heinze? If the answer is the latter, a move abroad would be Rooney’s only realistic solution, and that is when his options start to look seriously limited.
United sold Veron to Chelsea in 2003, confident in the knowledge that after two underwhelming seasons at Old Trafford the then-Argentina midfielder would not cause them too many sleepless nights in the blue of their rivals. That was borne out, with Veron making just 14 appearances in the 2003/04 campaign for Chelsea before being loaned out for three successive seasons and then eventually sold in 2007.
Beckham, Van Nistelrooy, Stam and Heinze were different. United were of the view that the sale of any of those players to another Premier League rival could come back to haunt them and so only a move overseas was permitted. Remember the lengths to which United went to ensure Heinze did not get his move to Liverpool?
Rooney, by any reckoning, would have to share the same company as Beckham and company. He may not have set hearts racing over the past two seasons, to the point where Ferguson was trying to engineer the England striker’s exit and would almost certainly have succeeding in doing so had he not retired last month.
Yet Rooney still scored 50 goals at a time when he was growing ever more disillusioned by his treatment at the hands of a manager with whom his relationship had become fractured. Seldom did he play regularly in one settled position and the sight of him being hauled off at key junctures in key games or overlooked altogether became a worryingly regular occurrence. Then there were the repeated blunt references to his physique and fitness.
Doubts persist about the value of awarding another long-term contract worth £250,000 to a player who will be 28 in October and who has faced all manner of questions about whether his physique will allow him to still be playing at the highest level in his early thirties.
But Moyes, who guided the player’s early career at Everton, will be acutely aware that a rejuvenated Rooney with a point to prove and more than a decade of Premier League experience behind him, will be a considerable asset to any top flight club in England. So, why run the risk of letting him flourish at a rival when United could reap the benefits of that?
A lot will come down to Rooney. Is he willing to make a fresh start at United and show he deserves the new contract that, according to well-placed sources, the club will not simply hand out to appease him because he is about to enter the final two years of his existing deal? Or, denied a move to another English club, could he move to France, where Monaco or Paris Saint Germain might be willing to roll out the red carpet, in the anticipated absence of interest from Europe’s biggest clubs in Spain, Germany and Italy?
Equally, the player is concerned about the reaction he may get from United fans, who were spun something of a yarn when Ferguson announced publicly that Rooney had requested a transfer. He did not, he simply raised questions about his future under Ferguson during a private meeting with the manager a fortnight or so before it was known that the Scot was retiring. In that sense, Moyes inherited a mess that could easily have been avoided had Ferguson not appeared to be behaving like a man who had still to forgive Rooney for his threat to quit Old Trafford in 2010.
Rooney could probably just about argue that a prospective transfer to PSG, the ambitious French champions who have lofty targets beyond the Champions League quarter-final spot they secured last season, was not simply about the money. That would be considerably harder at Monaco, who, despite their promotion to Ligue 1 last season and the grand plans of Dmitry Rybolovlev, their billionaire Russian owner, attracted an average attendance of 5,295 last term and have no Champions League football to offer.
After playing in front of 76,000 at Old Trafford for so long, that would be quite an adjustment for Rooney, even accounting for the tax benefits of living in Monaco and the prospect of players alongside team-mates as talented as Radamel Falcao, Joao Moutinho, James Rodriguez and Ricardo Carvalho.
As for Europe’s big-hitters, Rooney has been largely overlooked as clubs pursue other Premier League players. Real want Gareth Bale, of Tottenham Hotspur, and, if they fail in their attempts to sign Edinson Cavani, the Uruguay striker, from Napoli, Luis Suárez, the Liverpool forward. Bayern Munich, if they cannot persuade Borussia Dortmund to offload Robert Lewandowski, may turn to Suárez . AC Milan and Juventus are tracking Carlos Tevez, the Manchester City striker. As for Barcelona, they have already spent a minimum of £48.9 million to bring Neymar, the Brazil forward, from Santos to Spain.
All things considered – the perils of United selling to a Premier League rival and the lack of tantalising options abroad for Rooney beyond a huge pay-day – would suggest a renewal of wedding vows may be in the best interests of both parties.