The Manchester United Thread

Vanjagl said:
Of course ha can score. He can assist as well. And he can dribble. He's not limited, but I would argue that he's nothing special in those segments od play, bar his goalscoring record. But he is one of the best when it comes to quick transition and finding the space to make himself available.

When talking about movement, I had a look at simple 1-2 Carrick and Rooney played when Begovic saved Rooneys shot. It unbelievable how funny did Stoke player looked when he lost Wayne. It wasn't even a quick turn from Rooney, Stoke defender just decided to stop and not follow him. Then I saw the run Kagawa was making between that Stoke player and fullback. Makes me wonder did defender stopped just to make pass to Kagawa unlikely? He does make intelligent moves from wider positions as well, just other playes are to static and then defenders are better focused on Kagawa. If this make sense.
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Kagawa's biggest issue is not him, its United. Our play is too slow atm. It's not real surprised that his best game this season came when we played at pace at Sociedad. We need to find that CM capable of keeping us at that tempo, cannot rely on Giggs to do that every game. Cleverley needs to regain some for very quickly as well.
 
Mike. said:
Kagawa's biggest issue is not him, its United. Our play is too slow atm. It's not real surprised that his best game this season came when we played at pace at Sociedad. We need to find that CM capable of keeping us at that tempo, cannot rely on Giggs to do that every game. Cleverley needs to regain some for very quickly as well.
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Cleverley shouldn't even be a United player, it's a joke really.
 
Mike. said:
Kagawa's biggest issue is not him, its United. Our play is too slow atm. It's not real surprised that his best game this season came when we played at pace at Sociedad. We need to find that CM capable of keeping us at that tempo, cannot rely on Giggs to do that every game. Cleverley needs to regain some for very quickly as well.
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Our current play style doesn't suit him. SAF wanted to use his abilities to speed up our game. So, if we want to use Kagawa effectively, we need to make some ajustments. That means either Rooney or RVP need to be benched.
Or somehow Moyes manage to play all three and I don't know how but to stick Kagawa on left. He cant express him self fully there, but he needs to make some kind of inpact on the game. Against Stoke he was bad. It's not just Uniteds fault he cant perform, he needs to be more versatile and more creative in his game. He's far from limited player, if he want so succeed here, he cant just perform when we are playing high tempo football.




zzeezzy said:
Cleverley shouldn't even be a United player, it's a joke really.
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Although I agree Cleverley isn't United calibre at the moment, he does have some qualities we could use. He does add tempo to our game, he needs to find consistency to do that more often.




TheFalse9 said:
Not really. He has potential, and is still young, it's just he's been very off-form recently.
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He's 25, and it's about time he finds his style of football. Of he can find consistency, he can be part of this United team. Probably not in first team, but solid rotational player.
 
I struggle to see what Clevs offers to the squad, other than people get to say "That was really Clevs" when he scores a chipped goal, or a great pass. He seems reasonably comfortable with the ball, plays at a decent tempo, but isn't especially good at tackling or intercepting. He reminds me a lot of Wilshere in the way he bustles and sometimes looks more effective than he actually is.

Perhaps if he was Nicky **** style player who would bench sit and come off the bench to hold games and preserve wins, it'd be a different story. I struggle to see where he'd fit in at the moment. Isn't Powell meant to be a much bigger talent?
 
Vanjagl said:
Our current play style doesn't suit him. SAF wanted to use his abilities to speed up our game. So, if we want to use Kagawa effectively, we need to make some ajustments. That means either Rooney or RVP need to be benched.
Or somehow Moyes manage to play all three and I don't know how but to stick Kagawa on left. He cant express him self fully there, but he needs to make some kind of inpact on the game. Against Stoke he was bad. It's not just Uniteds fault he cant perform, he needs to be more versatile and more creative in his game. He's far from limited player, if he want so succeed here, he cant just perform when we are playing high tempo football.







Although I agree Cleverley isn't United calibre at the moment, he does have some qualities we could use. He does add tempo to our game, he needs to find consistency to do that more often.






He's 25, and it's about time he finds his style of football. Of he can find consistency, he can be part of this United team. Probably not in first team, but solid rotational player.
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He's only just turned 24; he's two years younger than David Luiz, and people are saying that Luiz will still get better with time. I don't think he'll be a started for United, but like you said, he's decent enough to be a rotation player to provide depth.

rephlex said:
I struggle to see what Clevs offers to the squad, other than people get to say "That was really Clevs" when he scores a chipped goal, or a great pass. He seems reasonably comfortable with the ball, plays at a decent tempo, but isn't especially good at tackling or intercepting. He reminds me a lot of Wilshere in the way he bustles and sometimes looks more effective than he actually is.

Perhaps if he was Nicky **** style player who would bench sit and come off the bench to hold games and preserve wins, it'd be a different story. I struggle to see where he'd fit in at the moment. Isn't Powell meant to be a much bigger talent?
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Cleverley's a midfield runner, a bit like Milner actually. Powell's a better player, but he's a much more attacking player so you can't really compare them.
 
What an abysml second half, truly shocking. Bit I am very pleased with the first half. We looked good, better than 80% of the games we have played this season anyway.
 
Moyes substituted 3 players right away after the half time and the momentum our team had going was lost immediately. A really weird decision if you ask me, this is the kind of substitutions I only see in friendly matches or when the team is desperate for something to happen.
 
dasty said:
Moyes substituted 3 players right away after the half time and the momentum our team had going was lost immediately. A really weird decision if you ask me, this is the kind of substitutions I only see in friendly matches or when the team is desperate for something to happen.
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Yeah I saw the game and kinda thought that. Weird to sub three players at once, still, the first half performance was fantastic and you the opposition looked to have no ideas.
 
All 3 of the players that got subbed were clearly injured at the end of the first half.
 
hopefully carrick or at least cleverly can get fully fit for the sociedad game. Anderson and fellaini in the middle would be trouble in the making
 
dasty said:
Moyes substituted 3 players right away after the half time and the momentum our team had going was lost immediately. A really weird decision if you ask me, this is the kind of substitutions I only see in friendly matches or when the team is desperate for something to happen.
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All injured tbf.
 
honestly it's frustrating reading many complaint about MU 2nd half performance last night. like many had said, the 3 subs were due to injuries and in mind of mid-week champion league game away to RS, with a 3 goals lead, all we need is to slow down the game and see it thru, that's made fulham look like the better team in 2nd half.

I guess there isn't much to complaint with a 3-1 away victory.

glad to see we are improving, hope this will last, the gap to 2nd is only 3pts now.
 
I only knew Rafael were injured, didn't know that Evans and Cleverley were too. In that case the substitutions are pretty much required then.
 
I don't know why it's frustrating to read, mate?

The team had great fluency, banged a few goals in, and suddenly three changes and it looks rather disjointed. The crucial piece of information was these players couldn't continue, which you wouldn't know unless you were behind the scenes at half time in the dressing room. It's a valid criticism to make considering the resultant last of fluency after half time if you didn't have that particular bit of information, nobody is saying Moyes is rubbish, just it seemed a strange thing to do, although not unheard of if you're 3 goals up.
 
erichoo10 said:
honestly it's frustrating reading many complaint about MU 2nd half performance last night. like many had said, the 3 subs were due to injuries and in mind of mid-week champion league game away to RS, with a 3 goals lead, all we need is to slow down the game and see it thru, that's made fulham look like the better team in 2nd half.

I guess there isn't much to complaint with a 3-1 away victory.

glad to see we are improving, hope this will last, the gap to 2nd is only 3pts now.
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Where you said that we had a 3 goal lead and we just slowed the game down to see it through is not Manchester United's philosophy, we go for the win whether it is 0-0 or 3-1. Personally I don't think it was a case of slowing down play to see out the game, but a rather poor second half plain and simple. The three subs, no matter if they were injuries or not destroyed the game for us. That isn't really anyone's fault, certainly not Moyes' as he had to make the subs either way.
 
United took the foot off the gas many a time under Fergie is last few seasons. A win is a win and I'll take that every time
 
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