By the way they both are ******* around we can **** around ourselves quite a lot and still be top.
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By the way they both are ******* around we can **** around ourselves quite a lot and still be top.
Not everyone, but Mertesacker imo. We've already had more injuries than rest of top clubs and managed to be on top.
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An injury to Giroud or either of the CBs and we're pretty stuffed tbh (Or if both Arteta and Flamini are out at the same time)
Really? So even if Moyes is doing really badly and we somehow ends up just surviving relegation, we should still give him time because we gave SAF time 26 years ago? Now I know what it means to support a club. It means backing the manager at the expense of the club.
get a grip if you think we will come any where near the bottom you are off your head
Do you understand what "if" means? I'm creating a hypothetical situation, doesn't mean that I think it will definitely come true.
So on what purpose should I keep on backing Moyes? He has to give me a reason to, and thus far he had given me none. If you're telling me because SAF picked him, I won't buy it. Just like how I would not be pleased at all if my boss is retiring and he is picking his own replacement basing on what he thinks instead of looking at what the person had achieved, and his replacement is making mistakes after mistakes.
And Moyes does not deserve as much time as SAF did. SAF had a proven track record back in Aberdeen. Moyes had nothing except experiences in being a mid table team. And that is what we're slowly turning into. SAF inherited a team that is lingering 21st in the league, Moyes inherited a team, albeit not as strong as it seems to be, but was still the champions of England. SAF's team plays attacking football, Moyes doesn't have a clue how his team plays.
We have scored only 3 goals from open play thus far at home, and that is after 9 home games. We have the second worst disciplinary record in the league. Our possession and passing rate is 8th in the league. Our shots per game is 9th in the league. We are playing exactly like a mid table team and the table reflects it perfectly. Give Moyes time you say, I will be willing to give him time if the team is actually improving as the days go by, but what improvement have you seen if you compare the games today and the games when the season had just started? In fact, it seems like the players doesn't even believe in him anymore. Or you would rather change 10 players than the manager?
That's all fine and I agree with you, but plain style of football is not Manchester Uniteds identity. United has many more things to be recognized bar playing style. We will always be the club who has icons such as Law, Charlton, Best, Scholes, Giggs. Not many clubs can brag with such names. We have amazing financial gain from global brand that is Man United. Yes, it will fade away it we don't win title in next few years, and slowly it will become less and less meaningful ( just like Liverpool lost it and now they struggle to sign world class players). United hasn't lost it's identity. Uniteds identity was win only. No matters what, or how. And thats the only thing that should matter. Screw wingplay, counter, possession. I want wins, everything else is just a bonus.
Then all Zaha did was give the ball away and commit a foul.
Honestly though anyone who thought United were going to challenge this season was being a little optimistic.
Squad isn't brilliant, no real midfield once Carrick is out, no real wide players that are doing anything of note and the rest of the team is aging. It's a testiment to how great a motivator and a manager SAF was that he managed to get so much out of the team time and time again.
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What if Ferguson chose Moyes knowing he would be awful, to make his own achievements seem better/realize how much of a difference he actually made?
then wait till he gets the sack and saf takes over till the end of the season and some how wins the lot now that would be something lol
Ehh its not like what people consider as "United's style" is so rigid and precise that it could somehow block the way to winning the trophies. Its not a rule book written in stone, its basically wing play, team work, sort of ruthless determination and you should probably score in last minute every once in a while. Competent manager should be able to work with that.
And yes, you're enjoying the benefits of having global brand, but its not just thanks to all the trophies. Arsenal didnt win **** in last 10 years but they're consistently top 5 popular clubs in terms of global following.
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Did anyone see the biggest irony? RVP came deep to midfield and done our only key pass with 1 try... to Hernandez.
Hahahaha, this midfield is truely ****, I would say Moyes deserves time to strengthen in January, but after seeing how he allowed us to pay all that money for Fellaini, I can't even grant him that.
Hahahaha, this midfield is truely ****, I would say Moyes deserves time to strengthen in January, but after seeing how he allowed us to pay all that money for Fellaini, I can't even grant him that.
I honestly dont understand why you quote me, so I'll respond blindly.
Play of style is overrated. I'm down to anything that win the games. Ofcourse nice playing style is, like, nice, but it's just a plus for me.
We were talking about Man Utd identity, and wingplay is far from United's identity. If we started to play possession game, or high pressing game and if we countinue being successful, no one would care about our 'trademark' wingplay.
Your last part is very good, and I agree. Brand, Identity isn't just trophies, playstyle, your manager, and all sort of stuff. It's all together. If Moyes stays at United and if he make United mid table, than Uniteds brand will be weakned. You need to be constantly successful to be competitive in marked. Or you can get lucky with few players and turn your luck around, but it's much easier to buy the player you need.
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I just hope United fans start to see why the majority of Arsenal fans didn't have faith in Wenger at the start of our drought. I think the majority of us realised that we couldnt expect to be winning trophies every season anymore around 2007-ish though.
Wasn't it 07-08 season when we were well on our way towards title before Eduardo and Rozza injuries?
Because you never said Fellaini was the type of player we needed last season ever. Oh wait.
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It was, but like this season nobody really saw ourselves as favourites until February, and then Eduardo got his leg broken and it all fell apart
We all know Dembele would've solved United's midfield problems!