The Manchester United Thread

[iNickStuff]

True but thats bound to be due to a number of reasons (some of which are Moyes' fault) as I previously highlighted on this here thread:

1. When you ve done nothing in terms of trophies etc can you really impose yourself on spoilt players (most modern players ARE spoilt) who are serious winners?
2. Will these players ever respect/fear you.
3. Also isnt it up to the manager to motivate players to play to their abilities and beyond?

The problems are snowballing and he is showing neither the personality/psychology to deal with it (see the footy465 article) nor any other indication that he can turn things around with time.

I live in Cyprus and believe me the OLYMPIACOS players and supporters are all up for it and believe they will dump us out of the CL which would be the last straw for me (and shows the **** we are in currently) ...

1. That shouldn't deter them from wanting to achieve even more success. If they've experienced it before, then they should, as professionals, continue to strive for that. Those who haven't will be encouraged by the atmosphere generated by those serial* winners.

2. In due time, it's a long process.

3. It's as much of the manager's job to be able to motivate his players as they should themselves. It's a two-way street. Confidence in their own abilities and going on to achieve silverware, in turn, can be even further encouraged by a manager's own work to help them attain theirs, and their own, goals.

Again, it's a lengthy process. Problems caused in the summer, followed by unhelpful situations throughout the season, have caused a lot of the grief and where we are, among other things.

 

[Alcaraz]

I think the article is well off actually because he is having things compounded by injuries as well. also I raise the same criticism of the players as I did when it was Chelsea having issues. If they cant raise themselves for the club and fans, how driven are these players? Not enough stepping up like fletcher, and he's been crocked!

To be fair to Chelsea players, when we had a serious crisis ongoing at the club, it was also partially down to the managers tactics (AVB's high-line and RDM's free-for-all attacking approach)

At Man United, it just seems like the players are underperforming so their is less reason to worry imo. They can't play like this forever

 

[TheFalse9]

To be fair to Chelsea players, when we had a serious crisis ongoing at the club, it was also partially down to the managers tactics (AVB's high-line and RDM's free-for-all attacking approach)

At Man United, it just seems like the players are underperforming so their is less reason to worry imo. They can't play like this forever

While I don't believe Moyes should be sacked, I don't buy into this 'he's done nothing wrong with tactics' idea. Perhaps his tactics haven't been the main problem this season, but they've clearly not been great. And didn't Di Matteo employ the extremely negative tactics on the way to the Champions League win?

 

[iNickStuff]

While I don't believe Moyes should be sacked, I don't buy into this 'he's done nothing wrong with tactics' idea. Perhaps his tactics haven't been the main problem this season, but they've clearly not been great. And didn't Di Matteo employ the extremely negative tactics on the way to the Champions League win?

Di Matteo's team at the time was better than this current Manchester United team.

 

[Ronan]

That's depressing.

I mean, really depressing.

Think thats a bit of an overreaction for a heat map


Anyone know how long Evans is out for?

 

[Alcaraz]

Matic's agent confirmed he wants a move to the EPL. With Benefica's poor financial state plus the fact that they own 100% of his rights and thus won't have to share his transfer few with anyone, it's virtually certain that he will sold either this window or the summer

 

[dasty]

To be fair to Chelsea players, when we had a serious crisis ongoing at the club, it was also partially down to the managers tactics (AVB's high-line and RDM's free-for-all attacking approach)

At Man United, it just seems like the players are underperforming so their is less reason to worry imo. They can't play like this forever

And our tactic of hitting hundreds of crosses into the box and one of them will connect eventually is amazing? And 44% of our attacking sides had been the right flank. That is rather one dimensional and predictable.

 

[zzeezzy]

Matic's agent confirmed he wants a move to the EPL. With Benefica's poor financial state plus the fact that they own 100% of his rights and thus won't have to share his transfer few with anyone, it's virtually certain that he will sold either this window or the summer

That's far too easy of a transfer for us... we must go for the targets we won't get.......

 

[Sherkey]

That's far too easy of a transfer for us... we must go for the targets we won't get.......

I'm surprised Moyes didn't try for Xavi or Schweinsteiger yet. >.< But seriously, he'll hopefully get some additions to the squad., a top 4 finish from this position will mean we're back in business next season.

 

[sunilvk7]

I'm surprised Moyes didn't try for Xavi or Schweinsteiger yet. >.< But seriously, he'll hopefully get some additions to the squad., a top 4 finish from this position will mean we're back in business next season.

I have 0 faith. I'm sure we won't be signing anyone this window, not that I blame Moyes for this as you don't always get the players you need in Jan and you end up with buying average player sitting on a fat contract.

I blame him for the lack of summer signings though.

 

[Theatreof Dreams]

Lots of people posting tweets on the redcafe from different sources that we have agreed to sign Garay from Benfica to replace Rio+Vida at the end of the season. Must have signed him like 100 times already, but some of the tweets are from reliable sources.

 

[Sherkey]

Lots of people posting tweets on the redcafe from different sources that we have agreed to sign Garay from Benfica to replace Rio+Vida at the end of the season. Must have signed him like 100 times already, but some of the tweets are from reliable sources.

Why Garay? He is not that much of an improvement over our current options.. With the money Moyes supposedly has, we could have atleast tried for better options (Zouma, Mangala?).

 

[iNickStuff]

As long as Chris Smalling doesn't continue playing after this season.

 

[iNickStuff]

Think thats a bit of an overreaction for a heat map


Anyone know how long Evans is out for?

Sad times. And there's no set date for his return at the moment. (PhysioRoom)

 

[Theatreof Dreams]

Agree should defo be looking at Zouma and think we have been enquiring about Mangala. Don't agree Nick I think Smalling is quality just not at RB and needs to have Evans or Jones next to him, Vidic and Rio are just liabilities now both have lost pace and the reading of the game.

 

[Alcaraz]

I have 0 faith. I'm sure we won't be signing anyone this window, not that I blame Moyes for this as you don't always get the players you need in Jan and you end up with buying average player sitting on a fat contract.

I blame him for the lack of summer signings though.

Matic and Guarin are hardly average and would be a huge boost to your team right now tbh

Why Garay? He is not that much of an improvement over our current options.. With the money Moyes supposedly has, we could have atleast tried for better options (Zouma, Mangala?).

Both have a lot of potential suitors so I doubt their respective clubs will make any decision until the summer. Chelsea tried and failed to get Mangala in the summer, asking price was too high. I think Chelsea are also in for Zouma but not sure if they will wrap up the deal this window, pretty unlikely imo

 

[Theatreof Dreams]

Inter president and manager said last week that Guarin in now not for sale, and Matic will not be sold till the summer because one of the Russian teams have just bought Rodrigo the STR for rumours around 30-35m euros mark.

 

[Alcaraz]

Inter president and manager said last week that Guarin in now not for sale, and Matic will not be sold till the summer because one of the Russian teams have just bought Rodrigo the STR for rumours around 30-35m euros mark.

Not sure, from what I have heard, Benefica are open to selling Matic after the Porto game on Sunday. Not sure on Guarin but I think Inter had cold feet at the last minute or he would have been on his way to Chelsea already

 

[Theatreof Dreams]

Not sure, from what I have heard, Benefica are open to selling Matic after the Porto game on Sunday. Not sure on Guarin but I think Inter had cold feet at the last minute or he would have been on his way to Chelsea already

Think I read in BOLA or something like that they don't need to sell now due t selling Rodrigo ad Garay. Bu he could still be old in the summer.

 

[Alcaraz]

Think I read in BOLA or something like that they don't need to sell now due t selling Rodrigo ad Garay. Bu he could still be old in the summer.

They haven't sold Garay though have they? It's all rumors