You want to be Manchester United just like Chelsea, L'pool, Arsenal wants to be United, a dominant force in English football. Not United as United, but the best club in EPL.
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You want to be Manchester United just like Chelsea, L'pool, Arsenal wants to be United, a dominant force in English football. Not United as United, but the best club in EPL.
One of the reason why we beat Barca back then was because of our defense. Rio, Vida, Brown, VDS, Evra were amazing that season. IMO to beat Barca just one CM signing is not enough.
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I should hope that someone 50 years my senior with all that footballing experience would be ">>>'' me.
Carrick didn't hit form. He played well in some games, notably Schalke & Chelsea in Europe...and underwhelming in the next game. He did better than last time against Barca, but it still weren't good enough. It was a poor season for him and I don't think he'll ever return to his pre-Rome form. You may be happy with mediocrity but I'm not, and I'd like to think that most of my fellow Reds & more importantly, Sir Alex; are a little more ambitious.
Where did i say i was happy with mediocrity? Read my posts, dont make up stuff that i havent said, and dont put words in my mouth, really annoys me. You cant see the future so you have no idea what form he will return to. he was the best midfielder against barca, yet i dont see you chewing anyone else out. Sunilvk7 put up a very good article on him, suggest you do some research and actually read it
SAF is ambitious, and yet extended his deal, that tells you how important he thinks he is.
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And for the record ive not been a big fan of carrick for the last year or so, and i constantly criticised his place in the side for the 1st half of the season (as sunilvk etc will tell) and didnt think he get any form and felt he possibly should be sold in summer. Big enough to concede that he proved me wrong with a good return to form in the last 2 months and with some very strong individual peformances.
Yeah remember that Convo.. Shame that many don't admit they were proved wrong.
When a manager like Fergie who thrives on winning trophies says Carrick is important player why don't fans accept that and try to understand his role. Carrick was far better than Fletcher but I haven't seen many criticizing Fletcher last season. Carrick has become scape goat like Berba. And also Anderson plays well with Carrick and same vice versa..
Patrice Evra urges Arsenal's Samir Nasri to reject Manchester City and join Manchester United
Patrice Evra has revealed his attempts to persuade Samir Nasri to reject Manchester City in favour of Manchester United and claimed that the Arsenal midfielder has talked of the “privilege” of being offered a move to Old Trafford.
Although United lodged a £20 million bid for Nasri last month, manager Sir Alex Ferguson fears the 24 year-old favours a move to the Etihad Stadium with Manchester City prepared to outbid United, both in wages and transfer fee, in order to sign the Frenchman from Arsenal.
But with Nasri’s future unresolved due to Arsène Wenger’s attempts to hand the player a new contract to replace the final 12 months of his current deal - an offer so far rejected by Nasri - Evra has urged his France team-mate to put glory first.
“Of course I would like to see Samir at United,” Evra said. “I’ve talked a lot with him during the holiday and told him how great it is to play for Manchester United and how important it would be for him to become one of the biggest players in the world.
“He said that it’s a privilege that a club like Man United want him, but that he has to think about his future and talk with his agent. I’m not Nasri, I’m not his agent or his dad, but I would definitely tell him to come to Man United. Definitely.
“I remember I made that little joke saying that he’s a prince now, but if he wants to be the king then he has to join Man United. But that’s the reality and I’ve told him that. I said: ‘If you want to win trophies you have to come here.’ In five years I’ve won 12 trophies, and I don’t know if I’d have won more with another club.
“I just told him the truth. If he goes to City, it’s his choice, but I know, as a player, if I have Manchester United and Manchester City, I would go straightaway for United.
“It’s a lot of things. It can be for the money, many different things. But I would prefer to go for the glory. I don’t know how negotiations are at the moment, but he has a lot of clubs [interested in him] and he has to think.
“But we will have a nice welcome [at United] and I can help as well because I’m French, but I don’t know what he’s going to do.”
While Evra’s attempts to thwart City’s move for Nasri could prove futile, the 30 year-old claims he is not surprised that former United team-mate and close friend Carlos Tévez wants to leave City.
“Two or three years ago he [Tévez] told me: ‘Pat, maybe one day I’ll be back in South America.’
“I said: ‘Carlito, you’re young.’ But he said: ‘Yeah, but I’ve won everything. I want to go back closer to my family and play in my country.’
“Now I know he wasn’t lying and he is doing what he told me three years ago, and I’m not surprised at all.
“I’m very close to Carlito and even when he was playing for United when he was 23 or 24, he told me that another two years in the UK and he would be back in Argentina.
“I was surprised, but when he told me that he’d won everything I didn’t have anything to say to him.”
Following the retirement of Paul Scholes, Gary Neville and Edwin van der Sar at the end of last season, Evra now finds himself a senior figure within Ferguson’s squad, who arrived in New York on Sunday and will face the MLS All-Stars on Wednesday.
But Evra admits he was determined to leave Old Trafford 12 months ago before Ferguson’s attempt to change his mind.
Evra said: “Sometimes you have to make a choice in your life and there was an approach from two big clubs, Inter Milan and Real Madrid, and I just had a chat about it with the boss.
“After the World Cup, I’d told him that I wanted to go, but when I went to his house we talked a lot and in the end he didn’t have to persuade me to stay because my heart wanted to stay.
“He just said: ‘Pat, it’s the greatest news you want to stay because United are the biggest club in the world and you have a lot of respect here for myself, your team-mates, the fans. I don’t know why you want to move to another club. But I think you’ve made the right choice to stay here.’
“I’m very close to Sir Alex and have a lot of respect for him, and a lot of respect for myself. It wasn’t anything incredible, it was just normal. The boss has to be the boss, but he also has to look like he’s the dad of every player.
“In the end I made the right choice and I’m so happy to still be a Man United player. It was an easy decision because, if I was honest with myself, I knew I wanted to stay at this club achieve more.”
But with Nasri’s future unresolved due to Arsène Wenger’s attempts to hand the player a new contract to replace the final 12 months of his current deal - an offer so far rejected by Nasri - Evra has urged his France team-mate to put glory first.
“Of course I would like to see Samir at United,” Evra said. “I’ve talked a lot with him during the holiday and told him how great it is to play for Manchester United and how important it would be for him to become one of the biggest players in the world.
“He said that it’s a privilege that a club like Man United want him, but that he has to think about his future and talk with his agent. I’m not Nasri, I’m not his agent or his dad, but I would definitely tell him to come to Man United. Definitely.
“I remember I made that little joke saying that he’s a prince now, but if he wants to be the king then he has to join Man United. But that’s the reality and I’ve told him that. I said: ‘If you want to win trophies you have to come here.’ In five years I’ve won 12 trophies, and I don’t know if I’d have won more with another club.
“I just told him the truth. If he goes to City, it’s his choice, but I know, as a player, if I have Manchester United and Manchester City, I would go straightaway for United.
“It’s a lot of things. It can be for the money, many different things. But I would prefer to go for the glory. I don’t know how negotiations are at the moment, but he has a lot of clubs [interested in him] and he has to think.
“But we will have a nice welcome [at United] and I can help as well because I’m French, but I don’t know what he’s going to do.”
While Evra’s attempts to thwart City’s move for Nasri could prove futile, the 30 year-old claims he is not surprised that former United team-mate and close friend Carlos Tévez wants to leave City.
“Two or three years ago he [Tévez] told me: ‘Pat, maybe one day I’ll be back in South America.’
“I said: ‘Carlito, you’re young.’ But he said: ‘Yeah, but I’ve won everything. I want to go back closer to my family and play in my country.’
“Now I know he wasn’t lying and he is doing what he told me three years ago, and I’m not surprised at all.
“I’m very close to Carlito and even when he was playing for United when he was 23 or 24, he told me that another two years in the UK and he would be back in Argentina.
“I was surprised, but when he told me that he’d won everything I didn’t have anything to say to him.”
Following the retirement of Paul Scholes, Gary Neville and Edwin van der Sar at the end of last season, Evra now finds himself a senior figure within Ferguson’s squad, who arrived in New York on Sunday and will face the MLS All-Stars on Wednesday.
But Evra admits he was determined to leave Old Trafford 12 months ago before Ferguson’s attempt to change his mind.
Evra said: “Sometimes you have to make a choice in your life and there was an approach from two big clubs, Inter Milan and Real Madrid, and I just had a chat about it with the boss.
“After the World Cup, I’d told him that I wanted to go, but when I went to his house we talked a lot and in the end he didn’t have to persuade me to stay because my heart wanted to stay.
“He just said: ‘Pat, it’s the greatest news you want to stay because United are the biggest club in the world and you have a lot of respect here for myself, your team-mates, the fans. I don’t know why you want to move to another club. But I think you’ve made the right choice to stay here.’
“I’m very close to Sir Alex and have a lot of respect for him, and a lot of respect for myself. It wasn’t anything incredible, it was just normal. The boss has to be the boss, but he also has to look like he’s the dad of every player.
“In the end I made the right choice and I’m so happy to still be a Man United player. It was an easy decision because, if I was honest with myself, I knew I wanted to stay at this club achieve more.”
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I said you "may'' be happy with mediocrity...
No, I can't see the future. But at his age and judging his form post-Rome, I'm entitled to believe he won't return to his best form.
I don't need to "chew anyone else out''. Giggs and Valencia were the poorer players on the night, but overall they weren't as poor as Carrick last season, and that's what this is about; not just the game against Barca.
No, it doesn't tell me how important he thinks he is. He gave Owen a new contract, he gave O'shea one too and then sold him...he could've extended Carricks deal to up the asking price for all you know.
next...
You said he may be happy with mediocrity but you're not, that's very different to saying "may or not be".
Good job you didn't decide to judge Rooney in that way for the first half of the season?
Carrick has a job to do, and he does it excellently while getting on with it quietly. It's probably no wonder he loses confidence and form when 90% of the fans hate him because he doesn't ping them in from 30 yards out every other game.
Next?
1) what age got do with anything? its not going to stop him returning to form. You keep talking about post Rome whil completely ignoring the fact that he has been on form for the last 2.5 months, which actually suggests a return to form
2) Carrick has been better than fletcher this season, yet dont see you berating him
3) SAF actually said he feels Carrick is very important and it was the reasoning behind the offer
1) Yes it is, there's a major grammatical difference.
2) Why does how good a player is define how consistent his form will be? Ibrahimovic is a much more accomplished player than Parker, yet Parker is much more able to keep his form consistent. If you believe Rooney can bounce back to form, then if you were being non-biased you'd say the same for Carrick.
3) 2 bad games? He was excellent for us in the final parts of the season, which is quite blatantly a return to form, which counters all your arguments.
4) It is fact, because, he well returned to form.
5) How do you know he's lying about the no transfers thing? So you assume he's lying because you want more transfers, then you assume he's lying because it suits your argument? Hardly a strong basis for anything. Many of the United players came out and said Carrick is vital to the team, and even though he does his job quietly - it's vital what he does. SAF nor the team have any reason to go to the press and lie about it. Go read Sunil's article on him and educate yourself.
2) Why does how good a player is define how consistent his form will be? Ibrahimovic is a much more accomplished player than Parker, yet Parker is much more able to keep his form consistent. If you believe Rooney can bounce back to form, then if you were being non-biased you'd say the same for Carrick.
3) 2 bad games? He was excellent for us in the final parts of the season, which is quite blatantly a return to form, which counters all your arguments.
4) It is fact, because, he well returned to form.
5) How do you know he's lying about the no transfers thing? So you assume he's lying because you want more transfers, then you assume he's lying because it suits your argument? Hardly a strong basis for anything. Many of the United players came out and said Carrick is vital to the team, and even though he does his job quietly - it's vital what he does. SAF nor the team have any reason to go to the press and lie about it. Go read Sunil's article on him and educate yourself.
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United ended their short stay in Scotland with a second victory in a matter of days, courtesy of Oliver Norwood's second-half winner.
Talk is that Drinkwater was excellent (Played well in all 3 games, Well I have to say played superbly well as per reports) and Pogba got MOTM (Impressed in all the games).
And Asusual Gibson was awful and ****. I dont see him doing any good for us as he can't even play well with kids. I guess there goes my slightest of hope that he may become squad player for us..
Are United trying to cut the wage bill?
http://andersred.blogspot.com/2011/07/are-united-trying-to-cut-wage-bill.html
Talk is that Drinkwater was excellent (Played well in all 3 games, Well I have to say played superbly well as per reports) and Pogba got MOTM (Impressed in all the games).
And Asusual Gibson was awful and ****. I dont see him doing any good for us as he can't even play well with kids. I guess there goes my slightest of hope that he may become squad player for us..
Are United trying to cut the wage bill?
It pays not to believe anything Sir Alex Ferguson says about potential transfers. This is not a man who loves sharing secrets with the media. So we should all take his comments in the US yesterday with a pinch (or perhaps a bucket) of salt. Having said that, Fergie said some quite specific things about the financial implications of the club's summer sales and purchases which are worth a closer look at. This is what he said (my emphasis):"At this moment, I can't see another addition. The type of player we might have been looking for is not available."We lost five players in their 30s this summer. That helped finance the three younger players I have brought to the club. I am happy with the players I have got at this moment in time."The "five players in their 30s" are presumably Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Owen Hargreaves, Gary Neville and Paul Scholes. In addition of course, one rather important player in his forties, Edwin van der Sar, has also left the club.
Of these six departures, only Wes and JOS were sold for a fee, so presumably when talking about exits helping to "finance" new arrivals, Fergie is talking about wages. The question therefore is how much has been saved in wages?
Needless to say, we are entering a world of guesswork when it comes to players' salaries. These are my best guesses, but if anyone can find sensible sources for more accurate figures, please let me know.
On these figures (and indeed on anything roughly near them), the club is currently sitting on some significant cost savings. The estimated £10.7m per annum in annual wage savings is 8% of the total club wage bill in 2009/10 and around 11% of the club's annual cash profits (EBITDA).
The estimated saving of c. £200k per week is also (coincidentally?) around the level that the press has speculated United would have to pay Wesley Sneijder to prise him from Internazionale.
So what is going on here? The cash for transfer spending is definitely available. As I wrote in June, when the club publishes it's full year results in October, they will show a cash balance of c. £180m at 30th June 2010. Only around £47m of this has been spent. There is over £130m still available.
The club is clearly crying out for more creativity in central midfield. Scholsey made sixteen league appearances last season and has gone, Gibson is for sale, isn't good enough and hasn't travelled on the US tour, Fletcher is still ill, Giggsy is a stand-in midfielder entering the end of his career. Meanwhile, Barcelona passed through us and around us at Wembley in a way that makes the need to strengthen crystal clear.
I don't know why Fergie said what he said yesterday. I hope it is more smoke and mirrors to keep the rest of the world confused. I hope it isn't a sign that not only do new signings need "financing" by player exits, but that the edict has gone out to reduce the wage bill. Is the subject of dividends to the Glazer family back on the agenda? Is this an attempt to boost short-term profits for a Hong Kong float (at the cost of the long-term development of the club)?
Frankly, what's the point of being the most commercially successful club in England with a "global fan base" of 330 million and £130m+ still in the bank if we can't afford a decent new central midfielder?
Good old Glazernomics.
LUHG
http://andersred.blogspot.com/2011/07/are-united-trying-to-cut-wage-bill.html
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David Gill: Still time for transfers. "We are looking at one more player."
Manchester United Official Web Site - David Gill: Still time for summer transfers
Manchester United Official Web Site - David Gill: Still time for summer transfers
Vucinic linked to United
"The meeting with the leaders of Manchester Unitedwas yesterday," Lucci told lasignoraingiallorosso.it.
"It has only been a chat, in which no offers have been made nor was there an agreement sorted.
"The English club, however, really like Vucinic, but to see him with the shirt of the Red Devils, there is still work to do."