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Why would you take Rooney deeper, further away from goal, when you're deliberately trying to score? Nobody here is implying that Kagawa should be played at CM against City, rather that if you're playing against West Ham or someone next year and they're sitting deep, having someone to break from deep in midfield can help create an overload in specific areas of the pitch.

That I have said also, if we are playing lesser teams Kagawa can play as anyways he will occupy AM as we dont need to defend. But against any decent team we can't.
 
Kagawa can use the space only when he plays behind the striker, not from so deep as the space will be covered easily by the time Kagawa use it.

And Kagawa's strength is playing close to striker and finding space in final third which is very different from making runs from the deep.

Who's to say that? Just because Kagawa HASN'T done that regularly doesn't mean he CAN'T. The whole point of Kagawa's runs is that you just can't cover all the spaces on a pitch consistently, there will eventually be a space. It's exactly why Frank Lampard and Tim Cahill's late runs are so successful.

Kagawa's multitalented. I'm sure he can adapt on a couple of rare opportunities to play a specific role tailored to him, albeit not in his favourite position.
 
That I have said also, if we are playing lesser teams Kagawa can play as anyways he will occupy AM as we dont need to defend. But against any decent team we can't.

Just throwing lots and lots of people into a specific zone doesn't work. Making him more static and moving him up the field will only mean the opposition can crowd more players around him and mark him better.
 
Either you are deliberate being obtuse or you have utterly failed to grasp the idea of what an option is.

Of course you can strike from deep.

Not being obtuse, that I dont think Kagawa is good enough to play as CM when our weakest area is CM and we get overrun by few teams there. Against bottom teams we can as Kagawa wont play as CM, but he will play as AM as the other team will only defend.

Anyways this is when we sign Kagawa, will see how many games he will play as CM. I have added my points. You can disagree with it. Player making runs from behind the striker is completely different from making it from CM. It is like asking Kaka to play as CM.
 
Why would you take Rooney deeper, further away from goal, when you're deliberately trying to score? Nobody here is implying that Kagawa should be played at CM against City, rather that if you're playing against West Ham or someone next year and they're sitting deep, having someone to break from deep in midfield can help create an overload in specific areas of the pitch.

Reminds me of what you were saying a few weeks ago about using a CB to drive forwards to overload a defence, except with someone with more attacking prowess.
 
Not being obtuse, that I dont think Kagawa is good enough to play as CM when our weakest area is CM and we get overrun by few teams there. Against bottom teams we can as Kagawa wont play as CM, but he will play as AM as the other team will only defend.

Anyways this is when we sign Kagawa, will see how many games he will play as CM. I have added my points. You can disagree with it. Player making runs from behind the striker is completely different from making it from CM. It is like asking Kaka to play as CM.

Again, it was an option, a very specific option, which somehow you have turned to something totally different. He will still be an AMC, who could also be deployed in a specific secondary manner.

And yes you are being obtuse. Who says Rooney wont play AMC and Welbeck up front, and then use Kawaga as the overloading MC. I specifically mentioned this.
 
Who's to say that? Just because Kagawa HASN'T done that regularly doesn't mean he CAN'T. The whole point of Kagawa's runs is that you just can't cover all the spaces on a pitch consistently, there will eventually be a space. It's exactly why Frank Lampard and Tim Cahill's late runs are so successful.

Kagawa's multitalented. I'm sure he can adapt on a couple of rare opportunities to play a specific role tailored to him, albeit not in his favourite position.

Its not he hasn't done regularly. He hasn't at all. How many times has he played as CM?
 
Reminds me of what you were saying a few weeks ago about using a CB to drive forwards to overload a defence, except with someone with more attacking prowess.

Precisely. It's the same kind of effect Phil Jones has when he breaks upfield, just without the danger of leaving yourself short-staffed at the back.
 
And yes you are being obtuse. Who says Rooney wont play AMC and Welbeck up front, and then use Kawaga as the overloading MC. I specifically mentioned this.

This is exactly what I was saying. I don't see this happening. We will be very vulnerable defensively. If we play bottom team at OT who has no intention to even counter attack then we can as it doesn't matter whether Kagawa plays as CM or AM.
 
This is exactly what I was saying. I don't see this happening. We will be very vulnerable defensively. If we play bottom team at OT who has no intention to even counter attack then we can as it doesn't matter whether Kagawa plays as CM or AM.

Not we wont be that vulnerable when alongside someone like Carrick shielding. Again it does matter, because the whole point is to crack such a stubbon defence, by creating an attacking point they cant defend.


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Not to dissimilar to something we have played before?
 
Not we wont be that vulnerable when alongside someone like Carrick shielding. Again it does matter, because the whole point is to crack such a stubbon defence, by creating an attacking point they cant defend.


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Not to dissimilar to something we have played before?

I like that you added Hazard in there :P
 
Not we wont be that vulnerable when alongside someone like Carrick shielding. Again it does matter, because the whole point is to crack such a stubbon defence, by creating an attacking point they cant defend.


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Not to dissimilar to something we have played before?

This would please me greatly. But what about Fletcher if he comes back? And how would Cleverly get the game time?
 
We need to sign Kagawa first :3
And I don't think Rooney as a lone striker is good option. He seems less lethal that way. So, he should stick with amc role. Ok, lets say Kagawa will play 10 games as a CM. But thats it, where does he fit? Surely Rooney is better amc? So, only option is strikerless formation. But in that formation, there's no place for Valencia, cuz he's pretty much limited at RW.
I doubt we are going to sign MC, again..
 
We need to sign Kagawa first :3
And I don't think Rooney as a lone striker is good option. He seems less lethal that way. So, he should stick with amc role. Ok, lets say Kagawa will play 10 games as a CM. But thats it, where does he fit? Surely Rooney is better amc? So, only option is strikerless formation. But in that formation, there's no place for Valencia, cuz he's pretty much limited at RW.
I doubt we are going to sign MC, again..

I think Rooney will do well as a DLF creating space for Kagawa at AM. That is another option.
 
We had that this season, with both Park and Giggs playing amc. He was poor. Though Kagawa is better amc than Giggs and Park. Still, Nani on the bench? I doubt it.
Ps in previous post, last lime.. Mc - CM
 
We need to sign Kagawa first :3
And I don't think Rooney as a lone striker is good option. He seems less lethal that way. So, he should stick with amc role. Ok, lets say Kagawa will play 10 games as a CM. But thats it, where does he fit? Surely Rooney is better amc? So, only option is strikerless formation. But in that formation, there's no place for Valencia, cuz he's pretty much limited at RW.
I doubt we are going to sign MC, again..

Think it will be a more fluid formation than that. Rooney may start as the spearhead but will move deep or wide, creating space for others to cut inside or run from deep. The players rely on each other's reading of the game to create and exploit space, rather than a rigid formation. The front four (Rooney, Kagawa, Nani, Hazard/Welbeck/other) are all versatile and capable of playing any role. Valencia will be used as an impact sub or in games where we can dominate with a more traditional 4-4-2, against teams that play narrow etc. If a key player gets injured, we can fall back on a 4-2-3-1 and bring players such as Hernandez and Welbeck in to play the forward role, we'll have plenty of options then for any scenario
 
Think it will be a more fluid formation than that. Rooney may start as the spearhead but will move deep or wide, creating space for others to cut inside or run from deep. The players rely on each other's reading of the game to create and exploit space, rather than a rigid formation. The front four (Rooney, Kagawa, Nani, Hazard/Welbeck/other) are all versatile and capable of playing any role. Valencia will be used as an impact sub or in games where we can dominate with a more traditional 4-4-2, against teams that play narrow etc. If a key player gets injured, we can fall back on a 4-2-3-1 and bring players such as Hernandez and Welbeck in to play the forward role, we'll have plenty of options then for any scenario

Also Valencia can still play the wide outlet in a 4-2-3-1. He will be an important player next season still.
 
Just seen on SSN villa will not hold anymore talks with ole after more talks, shame would love to see him in prem.
 
After watching the CL final...Bastien Schweinsteiger is worth 20-30 million of anyones money...Chances of getting him are pretty slim..But this is the sort of player we should be looking at..A calming influence in midfield...
And YES I know he missed the vital PEN..But apart from Ashley Cole he was the best player on the pitch.
 
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