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The fact that Shaw was injured during a match with images being beamed worldwide showing his broken leg in an graphic manner along with the shocked reactions of teammates and opposition players means people will be slightly more touchy about the issue. Even I turned off the television after seeing that injury as I couldn't bring myself to watch the match any further

In such a context, you can understand why people are touchy about a stupid and unnecessary joke made by a writer

On the other hand, not downplaying the seriousness of Wilshere or Diaby's injuries but they usually happen behind closed doors where the arsenal medical team ***** up the recovery and Wenger is left to pick up the pieces in front of the media and fans this giving the whole affair a slightly more comical nature
 
Alcaraz said:
The fact that Shaw was injured during a match with images being beamed worldwide showing his broken leg in an graphic manner along with the shocked reactions of teammates and opposition players means people will be slightly more touchy about the issue. Even I turned off the television after seeing that injury as I couldn't bring myself to watch the match any further

In such a context, you can understand why people are touchy about a stupid and unnecessary joke made by a writer

On the other hand, not downplaying the seriousness of Wilshere or Diaby's injuries but they usually happen behind closed doors where the arsenal medical team ***** up the recovery and Wenger is left to pick up the pieces in front of the media and fans this giving the whole affair a slightly more comical nature
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https://youtu.be/WL4XDxrhn9o

That's why Diaby had injury issues. I can't be bothered to list Wilshere injuries because there are so many of them. The majority of Wilshere's injuries were during matches.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/SmwbDiR04Gg

You cant blame any club doctors, physiotherapists or specialists for injuries that occur in game. Arsenal had already conducted an investigation into the amount of injuries sustained and have made a few changes (such a new fitness coach). It seems that the injury issues are nothing more than coincidence. It's easy to say 'Arsenal's medical staff are ****', however I'm sure any team with that many resources would have the best in the business treating players. It's easy to say 'just build a Milan lab', however i'm sure every top club has something similar with virtually limitless resources.
 
Milan Lab itself was shut down since it was too expensive. Having a team of top doctors available around the clock is not cheap.
 
Tyton said:
Milan Lab itself was shut down since it was too expensive. Having a team of top doctors available around the clock is not cheap.
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Milan's revenues are a measly £164 million, which is what low to mid table clubs could turn over in a year, while Arsenal turn over £300 million plus and rising with £200+ million in cash reserves. Milan has also experienced record losses and financial difficulties in recent years. Virtually every team in Europe's top 10 divisions do have a team of top doctors. In relation to the resources of a football club, top doctors are very cheap. The Milan Lab conducted disciplinary research and development with high tech equipment. Manchester City have this in their training facilities and new youth academy they've built. I'd imagine that every top premier league club conduct similar research.
 
Haven't bothered checking it myself, but does LVG now really have a worse win/loss record than Moyesy? Deary me if so.

This isn't to start that nonsense debate, so even as a stand alone record and not comparing it to anyone else it's pretty poor.
 
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damola3 said:
Milan's revenues are a measly £164 million, which is what low to mid table clubs could turn over in a year, while Arsenal turn over £300 million plus and rising with £200+ million in cash reserves.
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And a London based top doctor probably makes 3x more than one in Milan, yeah.

damola3 said:
Milan has also experienced record losses and financial difficulties in recent years.
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Which shouldn't matter if Milan Lab was as cheap to run as you think it was.

damola3 said:
Virtually every team in Europe's top 10 divisions do have a team of top doctors.
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No, they do not. Most teams have only one, sometimes two doctors actually on staff. Everything else is handled by outside contractors that run their own practice and are only called if required.

damola3 said:
In relation to the resources of a football club, top doctors are very cheap.
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Top doctors are not very cheap in relation to anything. Top doctors are expensive, period.

damola3 said:
The Milan Lab conducted disciplinary research and development with high tech equipment. Manchester City have this in their training facilities and new youth academy they've built. I'd imagine that every top premier league club conduct similar research.
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Disciplinary research? What the **** does that even mean. Don't you mean interdisciplinary research? Lol.

Milan Lab was on another level to anything that's going on nowadays. Players were being proded with every possible test imaginable, every two weeks. That means they had to have team of specialists in anything from dentistry to allergies, around the clock on staff. The IT system build to support the whole thing was build in cooperation with Microsoft, which doesn't come cheaply either.

It was a full blown research facility packed full with doctors, researches, sports specialists and IT experts. **** like that costs millions to run, and it'd be taxing financially on even the biggest clubs.
 
Alcaraz said:
This is getting embarassing on United's part now...

Manchester United riled by Héctor Moreno award after Luke Shaw injury | Football | The Guardian
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Not really. It's understandable. whether one agrees with it or not is another matter.
Also the entire story is this: “We find it strange and disappointing Uefa made him their man of the match after what happened to Luke.” Not a word about them being riled, or making a complaint of any kind. Just one throwaway line about being disappointed. Everything else a round it is stuff about surgery etc. He wasn't even PSV's best player on the night either tbh. That's it, they didnt make a story, or complain to anyone. Journalist did well to turn one line into story.

It's not even an official line form the club either. Just one "source" saying it offhand. I have no doubt the source is genuine, but it's not an official statement

 
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Mike. said:
Not really. It's understandable. whether one agrees with it or not is another matter.
Also the entire story is this: “We find it strange and disappointing Uefa made him their man of the match after what happened to Luke.” Not a word about them being riled, or making a complaint of any kind. Just one throwaway line about being disappointed. Everything else a round it is stuff about surgery etc. He wasn't even PSV's best player on the night either tbh. That's it, they didnt make a story, or complain to anyone. Journalist did well to turn one line into story.

It's not even an official line form the club either. Just one "source" saying it offhand. I have no doubt the source is genuine, but it's not an official statement
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Many use journalists make up story to slate Woodward all year, don't be surprised if they use this as a stick to beat the club.
 
Subtle said:
I'm pretty sure most United fans had no problem when the press were actively making fun of players like Wilshere and Diaby.
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1. I would feel the same way even if it was an LFC player (I hope(A)).
2. Anybody who has no problem about anyone making fun of Wilshere is an oaf (to put it mildly). Same goes for Diaby. But I think most people are laughing at Arsenal/Wenger and not the players - and justifiably so imho
 
smith123 said:
Haven't bothered checking it myself, but does LVG now really have a worse win/loss record than Moyesy? Deary me if so.

This isn't to start that nonsense debate, so even as a stand alone record and not comparing it to anyone else it's pretty poor.
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Anyone who even thinks this is quite mad. Moyesy came 7th with a squad that won the league (and improved at that) ffs.
 
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smith123 said:
Haven't bothered checking it myself, but does LVG now really have a worse win/loss record than Moyesy? Deary me if so.

This isn't to start that nonsense debate, so even as a stand alone record and not comparing it to anyone else it's pretty poor.
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They have similar win ratio. The difference is, Van Gaal is consistently beating top 6 teams. This is what got you into top 4, good results in the games that are worth 6 points instead of 3.

Moyes was decent enough at grinding wins vs. small teams, but he was always getting trashed and giving points away to rivals.

Van Gaal up to this point has won about 10 games vs. top 6. Moyes won only one in entire year, and it cost him his job.
 
I'm not LVG's biggest fan but you have to realise he has done some really good work with clearing out a lot of deadwood he inherited with a very unbalanced squad. Compare that to now and it's not perfect but it has definitely been addressed and all areas look relatively good, could argue a striker and CB light but that's about it.

Plus the situations in which they took over were very different, Moyes inherited champions with experienced players still there.
 
Condolences on Luke Shaw. Terribly unfortunate when things like that happen and he's sadly come off the worse possible way.

But at least it's clean breaks so that lesson's any potential complications.
 
Get in West Ham. We now need to win tomorrow at saints, it's weekends like these that will make or break our title challenge. Rooney no10 with martial up top young and depay in wings.
 
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