The Manchester United Thread

ninjaskill said:
Given that Mourinho has won a couple of Champions Leagues and I'm sure you have won more on FM he really should defer to you in choosing players shouldn't he. I mean he's only got eleven best coach in the world awards he clearly knows nothing about tactics and where to play players
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By that logic, we should not criticize any manager for anything at all. After all, they (plausibly) know more football than all of us.
 
Alcaraz said:
By that logic, we should not criticize any manager for anything at all. After all, they (plausibly) know more football than all of us.
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I'm saying he is more than talented to realise that a player who is somehow ruining the team by scoring and assisting isn't actually that bad and as he sees him in training he is best placed to judge
 
ninjaskill said:
I'm saying he is more than talented to realise that a player who is somehow ruining the team by scoring and assisting isn't actually that bad and as he sees him in training he is best placed to judge
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That does not mean fans cannot have an opinion on a player. Also do remember that Jose had Ivanovic down as the first name on his team-sheet last season and let go of two £80m players in Lukaku and De Bruyne (who destroyed you today) so its not like his player judgement has been absolutely spot on recently.
 
I don't really blame Jose. I think his tactics were pretty good. What went wrong was individual performances.

Only blunder was not assigning anyone to mark KDB.

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Thought Mous tactics were spot on. Team selection not so much! Disappointed by the loss, could of got something out the game especially if Zlatan put that away just before HT. Think we should of defo had a peno, but hey you win some lose some. Blind cost us both goals defensively today, but he's been very good as o late. It only takes 2-3 players not at it in these games and it costs you. Bring on Feyernoord now and Watford. Leagues not gonna be won this early. Was impressed with Herrera when he came on and Rashford. Not happy about Pogba playing in a 2!!!! On a good note the u18s won again today 5-3 against WBA in a great performance. Three times in three games we scored 5 or more :)
 
^ And Pep described Bravo's performance as one of the best he's seen :D (he meant it took a lot of mental strength to bounce backfrom his mistake, but even at that I don't think he bounced back and impressed, he was continuously dodgy)
 
It should have been a red and pen for Bravo on Rooney but, hard to criticise it as I had to see a couple of replays before I could tell. Dumping him for Hart seems like a really bad decision and while people talk about De Gea taking a couple of year to adapt to the Prem he was a very young keeper so long term he might cost a couple of points but, had potential to make up for the mistakes which he has. Bravo is 33 he really has to take to the Premier League like a duck to water to be a good transfer and from today it doesn't seem like he will
 
Alcaraz said:
That does not mean fans cannot have an opinion on a player. Also do remember that Jose had Ivanovic down as the first name on his team-sheet last season and let go of two £80m players in Lukaku and De Bruyne (who destroyed you today) so its not like his player judgement has been absolutely spot on recently.
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Ivanovic was awful United have scored 7 goals this season Rooney scored one assisted two and his free kick led to the goal today so he was key for over half the goals United have scored this season including winners in each of the first three games
 
ninjaskill said:
Ivanovic was awful United have scored 7 goals this season Rooney scored one assisted two and his free kick led to the goal today so he was key for over half the goals United have scored this season including winners in each of the first three games
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I am not saying you are wrong, all I am saying is that to use the argument that 'Jose knows more about football than you therefore you should shut up' is not really valid especially once you consider the pig-headed decisions Mourinho has made lately. If you actually flip back a few pages, you will see that I agree with you on Rooney's performances this season.
 
Alcaraz said:
I am not saying you are wrong, all I am saying is that to use the argument that 'Jose knows more about football than you therefore you should shut up' is not really valid especially once you consider the pig-headed decisions Mourinho has made lately. If you actually flip back a few pages, you will see that I agree with you on Rooney's performances this season.
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Got the wrong end of it then sorry, I was just using someone who is well qualified on football matters and seems to share my opinion to help back my opinion up
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
The media are really ripping into pogba tho.

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They are expecting him to dominate game ala Vieira from Midfield, which he has never done yet, pricetag or not. They want a mack truck, whens he's clearly a rolls royce. :)
 
Legend Incredimaria said:
The media are really ripping into pogba tho.

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Thats only to be expected with his huge transfer fee. Its not like he has helped himself with what ... showing off 3 different haircuts now is it? No sympathy from me.
 
Alcaraz said:
Thats only to be expected with his huge transfer fee. Its not like he has helped himself with what ... showing off 3 different haircuts now is it? No sympathy from me.
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What has his haircuts got to do with his performance?

I've seen this kind of thing, with him, Memphis, and Sterling, and it's quite frankly getting a bit sinister.
 
To be fair, these are exactly the types of games you want/expect a £90m player to shine, so I can't really argue with any media criticism. I don't overly care if he impresses against a weakened Southampton (so long as we win), or whatever flicks & fouls he drew against Hull, I want him to stamp down his authority in the middle of the park against our biggest title rivals. There were times when he got on the ball in the first half, drove at the players, and I thought he will eventually make something happen in the second half when his team mates pull their socks and get him on the ball more, but as the game went on, and the more we needed someone like him to get on the ball, look for it, dictate the tempo, drive forward, he, it had to be said, almost shied away from it. Whereas Rooney, despite all the criticism he gets, wanted the ball everywhere, tried to make things happen even if he hasn't quite got the pace & agility of 5 years ago, his passion & drive was clear, he even almost clocked Pep when he tried to waste a few seconds on the throw in hahaha. Don't get me wrong about Pogba, the world class ability is there for all to be seen, but he has still a lot to learn and will still need a little bit of time to settle under this price-tag pressure.

I really hope in 6 months we'll be able to be arrogant di**heads and be able to turn around and say; "About Pogba... you were saying?" (H)
 
RhQQ said:
To be fair, these are exactly the types of games you want/expect a £90m player to shine, so I can't really argue with any media criticism. I don't overly care if he impresses against a weakened Southampton (so long as we win), or whatever flicks & fouls he drew against Hull, I want him to stamp down his authority in the middle of the park against our biggest title rivals. There were times when he got on the ball in the first half, drove at the players, and I thought he will eventually make something happen in the second half when his team mates pull their socks and get him on the ball more, but as the game went on, and the more we needed someone like him to get on the ball, look for it, dictate the tempo, drive forward, he, it had to be said, almost shied away from it. Whereas Rooney, despite all the criticism he gets, wanted the ball everywhere, tried to make things happen even if he hasn't quite got the pace & agility of 5 years ago, his passion & drive was clear, he even almost clocked Pep when he tried to waste a few seconds on the throw in hahaha. Don't get me wrong about Pogba, the world class ability is there for all to be seen, but he has still a lot to learn and will still need a little bit of time to settle under this price-tag pressure.

I really hope in 6 months we'll be able to be arrogant di**heads and be able to turn around and say; "About Pogba... you were saying?" (H)
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Criticism is one thing, talking about his hair is ridiculous though.
 
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