The Manchester United Thread

Theatre of dreams said:
God knows honesty no idea! Most probs something in his contract, surely 3 managers can't all be so blind to see what he's performing like in the pitch?
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NO player/ manager/ director/ owner is bigger than the club. Or shouldn't be.

When you make someone in effect that and undroppable, you're going down a slippery slope.
 
Theatre of dreams said:
Even worse then he should have filled in for Rojo!
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But still, Bailly was very shrewd in hesitantly checking his run to play him offside, and then playing to the whistle, he trusted the official would call it (which I still have no idea how he didn't).

[video=youtube;BWuzE4XzXLA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWuzE4XzXLA[/video]

^Skip until around 46 seconds, that's when the pass is about to be played, and watch Bailly just curve/halt his run to play him off just 10 yards from the official.
 
Theatre of dreams said:
God knows honesty no idea! Most probs something in his contract, surely 3 managers can't all be so blind to see what he's performing like in the pitch?
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cant see him having something in is contract like that but what ever he needs to be droped for a few games to see where we are but you cant just put it all on him no matter how much every 1 seems to dislike him
 
kitchin75 said:
cant see him having something in is contract like that but what ever he needs to be droped for a few games to see where we are but you cant just put it all on him no matter how much every 1 seems to dislike him
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I've not put it all on him just said he was part of the current problem.
 
I have a little gut feeling that Rooney will stay until he beats Sir Bobby Charlton's record and become Manchester United's all-time top goalscorer (20 off his record) to add to already being England's all-time top scorer, it's probably how he was convinced to stay a few years back under Moyes (along with the pay-rise of course).

The only thing is, he's not going to break it from central midfield anytime soon, and he's off penalty duties too.
 
RhQQ said:
I have a little gut feeling that Rooney will stay until he beats Sir Bobby Charlton's record and become Manchester United's all-time top goalscorer (20 off his record) to add to already being England's all-time top scorer, it's probably how he was convinced to stay a few years back under Moyes (along with the pay-rise of course).

The only thing is, he's not going to break it from central midfield anytime soon, and he's off penalty duties too.
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hope to god your wrong if not its going to be a very lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time b4 he does that
 
Just caught MOTD2, Trevor Sinclair says Rooney needs to play as United's "number 4/holding midfielder" - Oh dear. Yes he has a terrific passing range, but come on, although he defends better than most *strikers*, he's never been known for his tackling, and if he's got yellows & reds up top throughout his career, I'd hate to see what he'd be like as their sole holding midfielder in the middle of the park. Wayne Rooney is an attacker, simple.
 
Well he is one of the best passer out there, but he's proven time and time again that he doesn't have the footballing brain for this sort of role. It's not just about being able to hit a Holywood pass. It's about knowing when not to. Rooney just launches one long ball after another whether it makes sense or not. S

ame thing when Gerrard was being deployed as DLP. Some people thought he's doing okay, then England played Italy with Pirlo, and everybody could see the staggering difference between real DLP and makeshit DLP.
 
Tyton said:
Well he is one of the best passer out there, but he's proven time and time again that he doesn't have the footballing brain for this sort of role. It's not just about being able to hit a Holywood pass. It's about knowing when not to. Rooney just launches one long ball after another whether it makes sense or not. S

ame thing when Gerrard was being deployed as DLP. Some people thought he's doing okay, then England played Italy with Pirlo, and everybody could see the staggering difference between real DLP and makeshit DLP.
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Pirlo is another level haha
 
United have run less distance than any other team in the league thus far this season.

By contrast, L'pool, City and Tottenham have put in more work than any other side.

Different styles of play, and make of that what you will. But that's a big disparity between L'pool, City and Utd.

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[TH="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, colspan: 3"]TOTAL DISTANCE COVERED (KM)[/TH]
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[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]LIVERPOOL[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]581.6[/TD]
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[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]MANCHESTER CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]570.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]565.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]BURNLEY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]563.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]WEST BROMWICH ALBION[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]562.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]ARSENAL[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]556.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]MIDDLESBROUGH[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]554.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]BOURNEMOUTH[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]549.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]SOUTHAMPTON[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]545.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]LEICESTER CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]544.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]SWANSEA CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]543.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]EVERTON[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]541.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]WEST HAM UNITED[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]539.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]CHELSEA[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]539.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]WATFORD[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]539.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]STOKE CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]536.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]HULL CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]536.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]CRYSTAL PALACE[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]533.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]SUNDERLAND[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]526.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]MANCHESTER UNITED[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]526.6[/TD]
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Bujakaa said:
It does not matter what sport you play, You should never stop playing until the whistle is blown, NEVER.
And he dosent seem to halt his run, the curve comes in because he tries to play offside.

If it is offside or not, that is another question.
Is it me or in EL and CL camera angels(and replays) about offside are a lot worse than in PL?
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I don't understand what you're trying to argue about? lmao

I said he played to the whistle, and I said he curved to play him offside, you practically repeated me
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
United have run less distance than any other team in the league thus far this season.

By contrast, L'pool, City and Tottenham have put in more work than any other side.

Different styles of play, and make of that what you will. But that's a big disparity between L'pool, City and Utd.

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[TR]
[TH="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, colspan: 3"]TOTAL DISTANCE COVERED (KM)[/TH]
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[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]LIVERPOOL[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]581.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]MANCHESTER CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]570.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]565.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]BURNLEY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]563.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]WEST BROMWICH ALBION[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]562.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]ARSENAL[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]556.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]MIDDLESBROUGH[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]554.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]BOURNEMOUTH[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]549.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]SOUTHAMPTON[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]545.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]10[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]LEICESTER CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]544.8[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]11[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]SWANSEA CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]543.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]12[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]EVERTON[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]541.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]13[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]WEST HAM UNITED[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]539.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]14[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]CHELSEA[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]539.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]15[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]WATFORD[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]539.1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]16[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]STOKE CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]536.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]17[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]HULL CITY[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]536.3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]18[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]CRYSTAL PALACE[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]533.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]19[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #0D4E59"]SUNDERLAND[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #0D4E59, align: right"]526.7[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col1, bgcolor: #FFD407, align: center"]20[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col2, bgcolor: #09434D"]MANCHESTER UNITED[/TD]
[TD="class: rowzed-table-col3, bgcolor: #09434D, align: right"]526.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Different styles of play, but one thing is clear:

We are absolutely not working hard enough. Nowhere near enough pressing in defence, no enough sprint intensity.

Herrera need to be playing all the time. Rooney and Felliani (the latter hasn't actually been bad) cannot play, they are not intense enough to cover midfield, and not clever enough to hold it like Carrick or Schweinsteiger
 
Mike. said:
Different styles of play, but one thing is clear:

We are absolutely not working hard enough. Nowhere near enough pressing in defence, no enough sprint intensity.....
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That's the most surprising thing to me as the one thing you always could rely on from Jose's sides is complete effort and commitment for the full 90 minutes to get the result.

Last year at Chelsea when he lost the team and the start at Utd not so much. Turning around a style of play and the time needed to build a side in your image is one thing. But to see a Mourinho side dead last in work rate is a flashing red light that things wholly aren't right.
 
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