The Manchester United Thread

RhQQ said:
Yeah the only annoying thing is the inconsistency. Nothing against Klopp at all, but if what everyone is saying is true, and he swore at the fourth official on Saturday, then he should've been punished as David Moyes was for swearing at an official against Southampton.....
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Just for you man I'm gonna' rewatch the game Sat'day. Presume that's clear at some point seeing as Utd fans have been running with that all day across social media. I wouldn't know from my vantage point 100 yards or so away the Kop. He clearly had a set too with Bracewell second half that had them being separated. And went ballistic at the crowd. They were visible and easy to make out.

But I'll watch it again out of pure curiosity as this too presumably is well visible the TV.

If it is I'm totally in agreement with you.
 

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Charging Mourinho for booting a water bottle seems rather harsh to me. Players do worse for a lot less #mufc
12:20 am - 29 Nov 2016
Ian Wright.

If Jose had booted the fourth official – and to be honest there must be plenty of managers who’ve felt like doing that – then fair enough, Wright wrote in the Sun.

If he gave Jon Moss a torrent of abuse, manhandled him or whatever, then same again. But he didn’t. He kicked a water bottle for God’s sake, in sheer frustration at what he felt was a wrong decision.

A decision, ironically, that I feel the ref actually got right. But that’s the point. While the official was correct and Paul Pogba DID dive, there have been countless massively wrong calls this season.

And that’s what the officials and the FA should be concentrating on, that’s where they should be clamping down, that’s where the focus should lie. At the moment the FA are all over the place, it’s ridiculous.
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razielioux said:
Not sure, mate if Shaw could have kept that beast of a fullback/winger/wrestler Antonio at bay. :-/
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Entirely possible he couldn't but on an attacking point, Darmian ended a few attacks that Shaw would have (most likely) continued
 
RhQQ said:
Like you, I have no idea if he did or not.
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Absolutely nothing on the tape mate.

zz referenced it Sunday. And there's been Utd fans running with this 'Klopp said 'Are you F-ING kidding me! to the 4th official and got a pat on the back' line all over social media the last 24 hours. Which there's nothing like. I can only presume it's the 82nd minute incident where Koné kicked Firmino's calf which forced him off and Klopp and Paul Bracewell had heated words with each other. The 4th official (who was the Lino who got subbed for the actual 4th official first half. Neve even noticed that live lol) was just keeping the two apart. That was his only involvement. Nottin' more. Nottin' less. (38:29-38:43/ 38:47-39:11 of the second half of the game on the link.). Or maybe it's when he's going nuts at the crowd? (17:44-18:01 into the tape second half.).

I suspect it's like most things on twitter/ facie et all. Someone throws something up that isn't true and everyone jumps on it and runs with it. Equate it to Klopp and Conte and you're on a winner with the Utd masses on social media. The same way of Klopp apparently booting a bottle this year which he hasn't to my knowledge. And I'm sure I'd remember that. Again. if someone can point me to the game brilliant. And I've seen a few tweets from Utd fans showing Conte blamming a football in frustration followed by 'the FA did nottin' on this!' Which is Conte blamming a football ..... in ITALY when he was coaching Juve! Maybe he has done something this year in England? I don't know. Don't watch Chelsea religiously. Maybe a Chelsea fan on these here boards that does can add?

And this line about when 'Klopp and Conte do it it's passion. When it's Mourinho he's out or order' from the media ..... The 'passion' the first two are getting props for is for their sideline enthusiasm in geeing up the crowd or their players. WHOLY different to narking at officials or booting **** around. When they do that, they'll get slammed and reprimanded for it and rightly so. As they have at various stages of their careers.
 
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Chapecoense we stand with you

Having suffered the same tragedy all those years ago (yet still very foremost in our mind), today 29/11/16 we UNITED fans stand with you Chapeco and Chapecoense as brothers in sorrow.

Football unites.
 
Not everything is caught on a TV, they can only show one camera at any one time.

Jose does gee up the crowd, so again not where that distinct comes from. Like both, he celebrates the good, and gets narked at the bad. So not wholly different at all

The fact is there has been no crackdown, and they actually apologised to Wenger last time.

**** even most journalists are calling it harsh.
 
Mike. said:
Not everything is caught on a TV, they can only show one camera at any one time.

Jose does gee up the crowd, so again not where that distinct comes from. Like both, he celebrates the good, and gets narked at the bad. So not wholly different at all

The fact is there has been no crackdown, and they actually apologised to Wenger last time.

**** even most journalists are calling it harsh.
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I'm presuming it must of been caught as there's been Utd fans repeating it all over social media. Yet nobody can show it. Uncanny that.

And yeah, it is a clear distinction as they're both being compared to this in terms of 'passion' when neither has done this.

I don't disagree that the rules go too far, as ridiculous an over reaction to nothing in the game that was from Mourinho. But those are the rules that have been drummed into clubs. Not least when officials made a strong case for respect the summer in visiting all clubs. Cards have been issued for players. Managers OTT reactions, either at officials or reacting to decisions, won't be tolerated. He blatantly disregarded that with Taylor before the L'pool game. Now what he said was innocent enough. But they'd been warned to say jack **** about officials before games. Yet he still did. And he's overreacted again Sunday.

We might not agree on the rules. But they are what they are.
 
MANUMAD said:
Having suffered the same tragedy all those years ago (yet still very foremost in our mind), today 29/11/16 we UNITED fans stand with you Chapeco and Chapecoense as brothers in sorrow.

Football unites.
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Shoot, I'd not seen that news. How tragic.

Puts everything in perspective.

Thoughts and prayers to all involved.
 
Scouseinthehouse said:
Shoot, I'd not seen that news. How tragic.

Puts everything in perspective.

Thoughts and prayers to all involved.
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Been shellshocked all day. Actually as a club who has suffered a similar tragedy and as a rich club I expected we would do something substantial in support of a club which has been obliterated while it was on the up.
 
Would like to see tonight

Romero
TFM- Jones- Blind- Shaw
Schwienstiger
Herrera-Schniederlin
Mky- Rooney- Martial
 
Axel is 19, he's got plenty of time.

It's good, as we need Bastian in the lead up to christmas potentially

Manumad, a minutes silence before the game.
 
Not sure Scouse, United have suffered this before, and De Gea played with Cleber Santana, who died, so we have our own links.

Torino have suffered as well through Superga, so they have their links

And Coutinho knew one of them, so he requested to wear a black armband, and Liverpool either did, or will be wearing black armbands

EDIT: Liverpool did have one
 
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Mike. said:
Not sure Scouse, United have suffered this before, and De Gea played with Cleber Santana, who died, so we have our own links.

Torino have suffered as well through Superga, so they have their links

And Coutinho knew one of them, so he requested to wear a black armband, and Liverpool either did, or will be wearing black armbands
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Lucas mate. He apparently grew up with a few of them. He very nearly pulled himself from our game last night. It was he who'd asked if he could wear the armband and they all did to support him in paying respect.

Should really be a standard thing across the board for clubs to hold a silence and pay their respects to such a tragic loss to football.
 
Looks like a lot of clubs round the world are already offering help to Chapeco club in the form of money, loan players, etc, whilst some Brazilian Clubs are calling for the club to be exempt from relegation for the next 3 seasons. It's a sad day for all football and for sports journalism (we must not forget that not only were club players and officals on the flight but sports journalists as well).
 
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