The Manchester United Thread

The problem is Jose crying about fixture congestion then playing most of his best 11 in a game where we are 3-0 up and just days before a cup final. I really don't see the need or point of it.

Far be it from me to defend him, but has he been out right marking on the amount of games? Genuinely don't know as you couldn't pay me to listen to him but it was referenced in one of your games I was watching recently that he was more bemoaning the extra fixtures but happy he had them as it meant he was still going for silverware.

Regardless though it was ridiculously risky to take that unnecessary risk in a completely dead tie. And for all he keeps saying Ibrahimovic needs a rest, he continually plays him most every game. Are you THAT reliant on a 35 year old?
 
Far be it from me to defend him, but has he been out right marking on the amount of games? Genuinely don't know as you couldn't pay me to listen to him but it was referenced in one of your games I was watching recently that he was more bemoaning the extra fixtures but happy he had them as it meant he was still going for silverware.

Regardless though it was ridiculously risky to take that unnecessary risk in a completely dead tie. And for all he keeps saying Ibrahimovic needs a rest, he continually plays him most every game. Are you THAT reliant on a 35 year old?

Thats one of the biggest things that ****** me off at the start of the season when Jose kept bringing up Carrick's age and saying he's too old to play a run of games, yet plays Ibrahimovic for 90 minutes practically every game regardless of opposition. Zlatan's fitness is phenominal for his age but Carrick hardly runs around like a headless chicken for 90 minutes. He probably runs just as much in games now as he did when he was 28.
 
Thats one of the biggest things that ****** me off at the start of the season when Jose kept bringing up Carrick's age and saying he's too old to play a run of games, yet plays Ibrahimovic for 90 minutes practically every game regardless of opposition. Zlatan's fitness is phenominal for his age but Carrick hardly runs around like a headless chicken for 90 minutes. He probably runs just as much in games now as he did when he was 28.
thats the thing i dont get too like you say its not like carrick is running his *** off he never has and he never will its not his way so why is it 1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for another
 
Rooney, for me, was the most complete forward in the world for quite a long time; strength, power, pace, lethal finisher, weight of pass, work rate, ability to produce big moments in big games, passion, etc etc.

He was in the conversation, but it depends on what metrics you use. I'd say he was the most complete, but if we're basing it on out & out goalscoring, Torres was frightening between 2008 & 2011.
 
Im talking from 2008 to 2011, I mean he was a different player then and also United were a very different animal

Just for you mate ..... Cantona felt the wrath of Utd fans last when he named McAllister as the best player he's ever played alongside at some gig he was speaking at. Didn't go down well at all.

Quite the accolade considering he had Zidane his early days and the likes of Scholes and Giggs. But then having seen Gary Mac up close we know just what a fabulous footballer he was. And an even better fella'.

Regardless, figured you'd like that from a Leeds perspective.
 
..... Torres was frightening between 2008 & 2011.

There's your answer. Certainly in Europe. Villa's goal output was phenomenal but Torres had the complete game. And I honestly thought Rafa had waisted more money when he signed him. Got that one COMPLETELY wrong. Those first 2 or 3 years before he turned into a complete narky **** of a disgrace on the field with no effort or enthusiasm that last season he was phenomenal. The complete modern day centre forward. Two footed with every finish in the book. Rapid pace. Power. Technically great. Great in the air. Strong as an ox. Intelligence. Lad had it all.

Rafa made me look silly there. Never did understand why he never utilised Crouch (another very underrated player because of his comic like frame for a footballer) alongside him though. Always seemed the perfect partnership to me but it was either one or the other. Gerrard was the only one ever really utilised alongside/ playing off him. Which worked superbly like but still. Seemed a real waste of resources.
 
Rooney, for me, was the most complete forward in the world for quite a long time; strength, power, pace, lethal finisher, weight of pass, work rate, ability to produce big moments in big games, passion, etc etc..... .

You could well make the case that outside of Greaves England have never had a better #9. But then people would argue back that he hardly ever turned up in International tournaments so what do I know? Shrugs.
 
You could well make the case that outside of Greaves England have never had a better #9. But then people would argue back that he hardly ever turned up in International tournaments so what do I know? Shrugs.

Cant really blame him for that. He was injured before practically every tournament and rushed back, then got injured again in the tournaments themselves.
 
You could well make the case that outside of Greaves England have never had a better #9. But then people would argue back that he hardly ever turned up in International tournaments so what do I know? Shrugs.

Meh, none of them turn up. If that was the case, then the likes of Lampard, Gerrard etc would be diminished too. Harry Kane a living and playing example, tears **** up most weeks in the PL, don't think I've seen him play a game worth noting in an England shirt.

England aren't a major force, if they don't win anything with the a possible 4-3-3 of Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Cole(?) & Rooney from midfield up, then they sure as **** won't with this crop. But that's a debate for a more suitable time.
 
thats the thing i dont get too like you say its not like carrick is running his *** off he never has and he never will its not his way so why is it 1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for another
Carrick gets rested more because he's had calf problems most of his career even from a young age. Scholes even mentioned it on BT Sports last night. Carrick for the last few years has to train different and with special strapping on his calfs.
 
Griezmann brother and family were at the Utd game last night apparently and Petite has said people close to him thinks he will join in the Summer.
 
Carrick gets rested more because he's had calf problems most of his career even from a young age. Scholes even mentioned it on BT Sports last night. Carrick for the last few years has to train different and with special strapping on his calfs.
did not know that thanks for the info mate allways thought it was down to his age but with the new info makes sence
 
did not know that thanks for the info mate allways thought it was down to his age but with the new info makes sence

Same here. When Jose was going on at the start of the season he never once said he cant play every game because he has an ongoing problem with his calf's. All he ever talked about was his age.
 
Same here. When Jose was going on at the start of the season he never once said he cant play every game because he has an ongoing problem with his calf's. All he ever talked about was his age.
Yeah that's true Mourinho did say that. Don't know why not mention he has problems. I remember reading about it a few years back, and Scholes mentioned it again last night. On a sad note. Poor Joe Riley has dislocated his shoulder out on loan after making his debut :(
 
Griezmann brother and family were at the Utd game last night apparently and Petite has said people close to him thinks he will join in the Summer.

Hopefully he didn't embarrass himself like Pogba's family. Half and half frigging SHIRTS? SERIOUSLY? Do people not think about the consequences of being ripped to F as an absolute laughing stock all over when they leave the house?

Talking of, just how bad was the older brother these two games? The quality in these two clearly SOLEY went one way. And he managed to **** a load of Saint-Etienne fans off with his antics with his brother when he came off the first leg which just compounds his poor showing.
 
If only you had proven, solid, reliable German solution to the Carrick problem.

Oh.

Seriously though, it's obvious Mourinho didn't even bother analyzing much of LVG era and only watched players in training. First he benched Carrick and tried to push his only replacement out of the club, and by the time he realized he made a mistake, the title race was already out of reach.

At least he realized the team can't play without Carrick in time to salvage your top 4 chances. But his treatment of Bastian was such a monumental **** up, he can't really use him anymore. Not without swallowing his pride first.
 
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Tyton, as fantastic of an asset Carrick is, his lack of involvement in the earlier part of the season wasn't what cost us a shot at the title, there were a few factors, but the main one was simply our woeful chances to goals ratio. If we had of been destroyed in midfield week in week out, getting beat, I'd see what you mean, but it wasn't the case. We've battered so many teams this season in every department, bar the most crucial one; the scoreline, and I don't think Carrick would've had much of a helping hand in that aspect, unless he would've made a monstrous improvement of his 1.5 goals per season, which I somehow doubt. If anything, I'd say the delay in dropping Rooney (which I'll admit I wasn't all for unlike 99% of fans) was arguably a bigger factor than not playing Carrick, as was not playing Mkhitaryan for so long possibly, but hey, that's still hypothetical. But the reason I feel that those are arguably bigger factors is because I think we're better in a 4-2-3-1. I feel 4-2-3-1 with Mata, Mkhi & Martial behind Ibra is better than 4-3-3 with Carrick and Herrera both sitting (Herrera's capable of doing that destroyer like role by himself as he's proved), at least in majority of games. Much more fluid, much more understanding, Ibra seems a lot happier with a natural #10 playing off him, creates more space and increases our chances of scoring goals, which is definitely what we need.

All in all, we've got nobody to blame but ourselves in terms of not being in with a shout of the title in February. We've been our own worst enemies this season. I keep thinking about all the silly points lost; keepers going home with blisters on their hands, that late Giroud goal when we should've had the game already wrapped up, etc. But it is what it is. At least we're still fighting in all competitions, so our season is still very much alive, even if the title is out of reach.
 
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The Chelsea game was a real strange one. We were stunned by the early Pedro goal, which threw our entire plan out the window (no doubt Mourinho wanted something similar to Anfield, stay solid and try nick a goal) and it just went complete and utter pearshaped. We played right into Conte's hands by being forced to take the game to them, ultimately being picked off on numerous occasions (not just counter attacks) and efficiently punished. Every time Chelsea went forward that day they looked dangerous. Still don't quite think it was a 4-0 game, felt we had our moments, but hey, that team are more than likely going on to lift the PL title, and that was our last defeat (willing to forgive the controversial Hull defeat as we were still the team that done the job over 180 and booked our Wembley place) so it's definitely been onwards and upwards since then.

We're definitely a much steadier ship since then with a lot more confidence in what we're doing. Touch wood no injuries from both sides, and it has the potential to be a cracker!

I remember Zlatan having a good chance at 1-0 so but soon as we got our 2nd i think i was very confident we'd go on to win the game. And your even sounding like Jose believing you won the 2nd leg vs Hull because it felt like it lol.

Spot on, our problems this season would be a lot worse without Pogba. Having Kante wouldn't of solved anything.

Having Kante is literally like playing with 12 men which Utd don't need as they usually have the ref on their side most weeks anyway........ (Light hearted joke)
 
Hopefully he didn't embarrass himself like Pogba's family. Half and half frigging SHIRTS? SERIOUSLY? Do people not think about the consequences of being ripped to F as an absolute laughing stock all over when they leave the house?

Talking of, just how bad was the older brother these two games? The quality in these two clearly SOLEY went one way. And he managed to **** a load of Saint-Etienne fans off with his antics with his brother when he came off the first leg which just compounds his poor showing.
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