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Mike. said:
Not convinced on Diers mobility. Or range of passing
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The Mobilty was my only concern. Also after watching some extended match highlights and from the games I've seen this season his long passing is pretty good. But the defence splitting forward passes not so much. Did the same with James today for a good few hours. He's actually a better dribbler and quicker than I thought. Would rather have him than Silva and would be an upgrade on Lingard, Rooney, Mata for me.
 
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Upgrade on Mata? That's the least of our concerns!

Doesn't take much to be an upgrade on ****** Lingard does it! How he got a new contract I never know.

Nothing against a local lad like Lingard, in many ways my softer side wants him to be here. But in all reality, how on earth he makes any United team now is a sign of the times we are in. I personally think he's the definition of average, he has work rate, but very little quality.
 
zzeezzy said:
Upgrade on Mata? That's the least of our concerns!

Doesn't take much to be an upgrade on ****** Lingard does it! How he got a new contract I never know.

Nothing against a local lad like Lingard, in many ways my softer side wants him to be here. But in all reality, how on earth he makes any United team now is a sign of the times we are in. I personally think he's the definition of average, he has work rate, but very little quality.
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He has pace, work rate and creates good space with clever runs. Shame his end product doesn't match half the time. Happy to have him though. Adding goals to our team is a concern James would do that straight away.
 
zzeezzy said:
Upgrade on Mata? That's the least of our concerns!

Doesn't take much to be an upgrade on ****** Lingard does it! How he got a new contract I never know.

Nothing against a local lad like Lingard, in many ways my softer side wants him to be here. But in all reality, how on earth he makes any United team now is a sign of the times we are in. I personally think he's the definition of average, he has work rate, but very little quality.
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You can't have 25 superstars in your squad. Its squad players like Lingard that allow teams to challenge for 4 trophies a season. Good enough to come in and do a job when the big players need resting and we rotate. Im perfectly happy with him in the squad. Especially if Rashford is going back to a back-up striker next season. Rotating him in with Lingard is perfect.
 
steveorobbo said:
You can't have 25 superstars in your squad. Its squad players like Lingard that allow teams to challenge for 4 trophies a season. Good enough to come in and do a job when the big players need resting and we rotate. Im perfectly happy with him in the squad. Especially if Rashford is going back to a back-up striker next season. Rotating him in with Lingard is perfect.
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Not saying they have to be superstars but they still have to add something to a team. Even I could add work rate and decent off the ball runs!

Fellaini and Lingard for me I'd get rid of. Even someone like Sisto would be better than Lingard. There are a lot of players better and who would be better squad options.
 
zzeezzy said:
Not saying they have to be superstars but they still have to add something to a team. Even I could add work rate and decent off the ball runs!

Fellaini and Lingard for me I'd get rid of. Even someone like Sisto would be better than Lingard. There are a lot of players better and who would be better squad options.
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How does Lingard not offer anything? Are you watching different games? Forget looking at numbers on paper like goals and assists. Watch the games. Watch his runs. Watch how many counter attacks that dont even get started because of his work rate tracking back. I suppose Park didnt offer anything either.
 
steveorobbo said:
How does Lingard not offer anything? Are you watching different games? Forget looking at numbers on paper like goals and assists. Watch the games. Watch his runs. Watch how many counter attacks that dont even get started because of his work rate tracking back. I suppose Park didnt offer anything either.
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Park was more creative than Lingard and had iron lungs, Lingard isn't in the same bracket of engine that guy had.

I watch him and see very little, in most games, I already applauded his work rate but I want more from an attacking player than his ability to track back and stop counter attacks.
 
Tbh even on numbers Sisto has been most probs worse. Same assist and near the same goals despite him playing more games. Lingard please!
 
zzeezzy said:
Park was more creative than Lingard and had iron lungs, Lingard isn't in the same bracket of engine that guy had.

I watch him and see very little, in most games, I already applauded his work rate but I want more from an attacking player than his ability to track back and stop counter attacks.
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He has more than enough quality needed for the games he would be used in. Bottom half teams in the league when the team needs rotating, League Cup, FA Cup depending on the draw, the odd Champions League game results in the group permitting or even starting Europa League games if t came to it.

The way the transfer market is going, and the money we have, teams are going to want an arm and a leg even for squad players, so why spend upwards of £20m for somebody to sit on the bench when we have our own more than capable of doing the job when required?
 
Theatre of dreams said:
Tbh even on numbers Sisto has been most probs worse. Same assist and near the same goals despite him playing more games. Lingard please!
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Sisto much better though as a player, gave Valencia a run for his money both games, took him on the outside and beat him to the byline and delivered some great balls into the box. How often you see Lingard beat a man to the byline and deliver in a good ball?

Plus Sisto can also go inside and cause problems, as we saw.
 
steveorobbo said:
He has more than enough quality needed for the games he would be used in. Bottom half teams in the league when the team needs rotating, League Cup, FA Cup depending on the draw, the odd Champions League game results in the group permitting or even starting Europa League games if t came to it.

The way the transfer market is going, and the money we have, teams are going to want an arm and a leg even for squad players, so why spend upwards of £20m for somebody to sit on the bench when we have our own more than capable of doing the job when required?
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Debatable to be honest because Lingard has been used in many big games this season by Mourinho. We all know he seems to favour those work hard, so in that sense he has been picked a lot of the time ahead of other players.

He can do a job... kind of.... just not a very good one... if you want an attacking player who can fill the space and not offer much going forward I guess he's good.
 
zzeezzy said:
Debatable to be honest because Lingard has been used in many big games this season by Mourinho. We all know he seems to favour those work hard, so in that sense he has been picked a lot of the time ahead of other players.

He can do a job... kind of.... just not a very good one... if you want an attacking player who can fill the space and not offer much going forward I guess he's good.
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You've just answered your own question. He's been used in big games because of his work rate and doesn't offer much going forward. None of the team offers much going forward in the big games because thats how Jose sets us up. Be hard to break down and get a draw or nick a goal on the counter with pace.

Plenty of games this season, especially at home, Lingard has ripped teams apart, like the rest of the team has, but we've not took our chances. Lingard has provided many good assists but if they dont get put away thats not his problem. the only thing he can be guilty of is not taking the good chances hes had himself, but you could say that about all the forward players.
 
we all know lingard isnt top class but hes a united boy,has come through the system and those are the kind of players who tend to give that extra bit of effort which in some games can be crucial.
 
zzeezzy said:
Sisto much better though as a player, gave Valencia a run for his money both games, took him on the outside and beat him to the byline and delivered some great balls into the box. How often you see Lingard beat a man to the byline and deliver in a good ball?

Plus Sisto can also go inside and cause problems, as we saw.
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Different players tbh.
 
djs1 said:
we all know lingard isnt top class but hes a united boy,has come through the system and those are the kind of players who tend to give that extra bit of effort which in some games can be crucial.
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Yes but at the same time, when you need a goal or when we have that odd chance away from home against a top 6 side, that extra bit of quality can be crucial. I guess there are two ways of looking at it in that sense.

United fans naturally like him because he's local and came through the system. But if we are looking at it from a totally neutral perspective, I think we can question how he is ever good enough to be near a United first team.

I admire his dedication and he has a knack for scoring at Wembley which is always good, but every time I see him play I am questioning him moreso than most other players in a United shirt.
 
Is Warrington 'local?' Kind of a no-mans hodgepodge half-way between both City's.

VERY wool. VERY weird place.

Back to your discussion .....
 
zzeezzy said:
Yes but at the same time, when you need a goal or when we have that odd chance away from home against a top 6 side, that extra bit of quality can be crucial. I guess there are two ways of looking at it in that sense.

United fans naturally like him because he's local and came through the system. But if we are looking at it from a totally neutral perspective, I think we can question how he is ever good enough to be near a United first team.

I admire his dedication and he has a knack for scoring at Wembley which is always good, but every time I see him play I am questioning him moreso than most other players in a United shirt.
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Hes good enough atm because of injuries, players out of form and the situation we find ourselves in needing to rest players. Think we can all agree that after better players have come in and the ones here step up. He will defo not be starting as many games next season. But will be a very good option to have in the squad.
 
Theatre of dreams said:
Hes good enough atm because of injuries, players out of form and the situation we find ourselves in needing to rest players. Think we can all agree that after better players have come in and the ones here step up. He will defo not be starting as many games next season. But will be a very good option to have in the squad.
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Bank my house he still start Lingard in final and bench one of Mkhi or Martial. Rightly or wrongly, I guess we see at the end.
 
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