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Was trying to find this apparent dig from Jose, only to realise it came from a presser I watched live. There was nothing in that at all tbh, and he defintiely didn't single out Liverpool, he just said what we've all been saying on this forum - Everyone playing European football evens the playing field.

Wonder will Conte and Koeman feel the need to come out and have a bash at the fairly reasonable (especially by Jose's standards) comment.

Now go watch the presser from Hong Kong. What was put to him. How he answered. (And yeah, Mourinho did specifically bring up Chelsea and Liverpool. As was put to him.). And see if you still think he was narking at other clubs?
 
"There is one thing, this season is going be a little more balanced because of the fact the top six are all in European competitions.
"Not like last season, when Chelsea and Liverpool played all season one match per week, with all the others playing in Europeans competitions – especially us, playing in Europa League.
"Next season, six teams, and also Everton, are going to play in Europe and that is going to create a new situation for Chelsea and Liverpool."

"I don't want to say it was 'key' because if I say that, I don't want to take credit from the credit that they (Chelsea) deserve.
"But obviously, to play one match per week and one, two or three days off during the week, have no injuries or no accumulation, the same with Liverpool, I think obviously it helps.
"Now they are going to face a different situation, but with the squad they have and the players they are signing, I think they are going to cope with it."


"As I was saying, everything is good and strong, but some of them (other clubs) are really strong in the market, so it is going to be difficult.
"Normally, the second season should be better than the first, because you know the club, you know the players.
"The players, they know you, the club know you can affect in a positive way the structure. You can affect in a positive way the people that work around you.
"So normally the second season should be better than the first, but again, this is modern football. The reality is totally different.
"So when I see the way other clubs invest, when I see the way other clubs keep their best players, when I see the way other clubs refuse to sell their best players, when I see the economical power to do it, it is getting much harder.
"It's getting much harder for everyone, so we don't know."
 
Literally no dig there, in fact he says he expects them to handle (Chelsea in particular)
 
Literally no dig there, in fact he says he expects them to handle (Chelsea in particular)

And I'm gonna' call you (all. Not just you personally) a flat out hypocrite whether you like it or not. He's narked on repeatedly about the extra games B/S last year. And there he goes again. If that was Klopp and Utd had come off a Europa season previous, not least without anything like the same resources, you'd all now be slamming Klopp. Bu 'its literally nothing.'

You then go on to Asia and it being repeatedly framed like that, after he'd said he didn't want to get involved and wasn't interested in what other clubs are doing. And cut it down to make it look like a singular, inflammatory dig at Utd.

One unprompted. One after repeated questions and answers. No context. No nothing. But it looks good and appeals to fellow Utd fans.
 
And I'm gonna' call you (all. Not just you personally) a flat out hypocrite whether you like it or not. He's narked on repeatedly about the extra games B/S last year. And there he goes again. If that was Klopp and Utd had come off a Europa season previous, not least without anything like the same resources, you'd all now be slamming Klopp. Bu 'its literally nothing.'

You then go on to Asia and it being repeatedly framed like that, after he'd said he didn't want to get involved and wasn't interested in what other clubs are doing. And cut it down to make it look like a singular, inflammatory dig at Utd.

One unprompted. One after repeated questions and answers. No context. No nothing. But it looks good and appeals to fellow Utd fans.

Anbd I'd tell you to bore off quite frankly. How he goes from level playing field to the European final is odd, when there is nothing incendiary about that comment at all. And it's got **** to do with appealing to United fans either. Do with that what you will, I've already said my piece to Rhqq
 
You never put the piece up did you?

But yeah, Klopp's being an ***. Mourinho wasn't narking. Journalists didn't frame and push things a certain way. And I'm boring you.

So that ends that little interlude.
 
"I’m not interested in what Jose Mourinho says. Why should I talk about Manchester United? Jose is talking about us, yes."- He wasn't talking about Liverpool F.C specifically, more about the situation of the title challenge, in which 3 clubs were mentioned - fair comments.

"Okay, we had a season like Man United the year before. I don’t know if anybody asked us how it feels." Which makes Jose's point all the more valid, European football and a fixture congestion leads to difficulty juggling, as remember, you finished 8th that year Jurgen, 8th! Or did that have nothing at all to do with European football, as Jose suggests?


"Sorry that we lost the final yes, that’s right. We played Sevilla, they played Ajax. That's the difference." - Not sure where that came from, but yeah - just bitter.


"So we suffered during the season. Right. The Europa League was hard. Yes, Chelsea will feel also the difference, they played something like 13 players last season. But it's also not my problem if they use only 11, well done."- Again.... that was Jose's point... he mentioned Chelsea too...

But cba, I realize journo's may have stirred the pot a little bit but Klopp was caught hook, line & sinker and his bitter comment was always going to be the extract for headlines.
 
"I’m not interested in what Jose Mourinho says. Why should I talk about Manchester United? Jose is talking about us, yes."- He wasn't talking about Liverpool F.C specifically, more about the situation of the title challenge, in which 3 clubs were mentioned - fair comments.

"Okay, we had a season like Man United the year before. I don’t know if anybody asked us how it feels." Which makes Jose's point all the more valid, European football and a fixture congestion leads to difficulty juggling, as remember, you finished 8th that year Jurgen, 8th! Or did that have nothing at all to do with European football, as Jose suggests?


"Sorry that we lost the final yes, that’s right. We played Sevilla, they played Ajax. That's the difference." - Not sure where that came from, but yeah - just bitter.


"So we suffered during the season. Right. The Europa League was hard. Yes, Chelsea will feel also the difference, they played something like 13 players last season. But it's also not my problem if they use only 11, well done."- Again.... that was Jose's point... he mentioned Chelsea too...

But cba, I realize journo's may have stirred the pot a little bit but Klopp was caught hook, line & sinker and his bitter comment was always going to be the extract for headlines.

Precisely. Between the two excerpts, its an odd retort from Klopp
 
Lovely.

Fair comments from one to nark about how totally unfair it was last year. AGAIN! (Which was what was behind what he said. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. If that was a one off it would be one thing. But it's FAR from that.).

But it's a bitter reply from the other. After he'd been pressed on Everton prior to that who he told them he wasn't interested in talking on.

Oh, and it's a series of bitter comments that's nothing like Mourinho to boot. That was it right?

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

Now can we stop playing games and leave this pointless interlude behind?
 
Lukaku wants to prove himself on European stage


Oliver Kay, Chief Football Correspondent
July 25 2017, 12:01am, The Times


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If Zlatan Ibrahimovic, his predecessor in the Manchester United No 9 shirt, liked to portray himself as the supreme centre forward, Romelu Lukaku prefers a blunter form of self-assessment. When invited yesterday to draw comparisons with Cristiano Ronaldo and Robert Lewandowski, prolific goalscorers in the Champions League, he pronounced himself “far from that level”.
Lukaku does not lack self-belief. What he has always demonstrated is a willingness to acknowledge — and to try to work on — the shortcomings in his game. To judge by his comments in an interview with British newspapers in Washington yesterday, on the latest leg of United’s American pre-season tour, he is aware that he has more rough edges to his game than might be expected of a player who will cost United a minimum £75 million transfer fee. He also expressed a belief that José Mourinho, who sold him three years ago, deeming him too raw, is the manager to smooth them down.

“I have improved a lot,” Lukaku said, recalling the player he was at Chelsea when he was loaned by Mourinho to Everton at the age of 20 and then sold to the same club a year later. “He [Mourinho] sees it as well, but I still have more improvement.”
In Premier League terms, Lukaku is a proven goalscorer: 85 goals (25 of them last term) in the past five seasons, which also includes a highly impressive spell on loan to West Bromwich Albion as a teenager. In that respect, he appears a safer bet than Álvaro Morata, whom Chelsea signed from Real Madrid for an initial £58 million after being beaten to Lukaku’s signature. When it comes to the Champions League, however, it is a different story; whereas Morata scored big goals in the tournament for Juventus and Real, Lukaku’s only Champions League experiences came in the play-off round as a teenager at Anderlecht.
When asked whether he can score consistently in the Champions League, like Ronaldo and Lewandowki, the Belgium forward was honest about the need, at 24, to prove that he can make the step up. “I’m a goalscorer,” he said. “I have always scored goals, even in Europe; my record in the Europa League is really good. Now I think the Champions League is the next stage where I have to prove myself.”

Is he already at that level? “No, no, no,” he said. “I’m far from that level. It’s the level I want to aim for, but it’s all about the team. I want them to win trophies.”

What does he need to do to reach that level? “Keep improving,” he said. “I just want to become the best player I can be. I’m 24. I can’t say I’m the complete package. I can’t say I’m in my prime. I always want to be better. It’s a pressure I put on myself.
“When you play for a club like United, you have to perform every week.”

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Lukaku is a proven goalscorer and in that respect, he appears a safer bet than Morata, who Chelsea ended up signing after missing out on the Belgium striker

Lukaku is a highly accomplished goalscorer — one who, with the right service, should be optimistic of being the 30-goal-a-season centre forward United have not had since Robin van Persie excelled in Sir Alex Ferguson’s final campaign in charge.

The question will always be about whether Lukaku has enough subtlety to his game to take United to a level that has proved beyond them in the four years since Ferguson’s retirement; for a £75 million outlay, Mourinho has to find a way to ensure that Lukaku adds a different dimension to a forward line that looked too predictable and too ponderous last season, when the team scored only 54 goals in 38 Premier League matches.
A particular problem for United last season was their struggle to break down packed defences at Old Trafford, dropping points at home to Burnley, West Ham United, Hull City, Bournemouth, West Bromwich Albion and Swansea City among others. There have always been “flat-track bully” accusations about Lukaku’s goalscoring record, but Mourinho’s team needed precisely that approach at times last term — even if the statistics about shots taken at times glossed over a lack of subtlety and incisiveness in their attacking play.

Lukaku needs to add more refinement to his all-round game. His touch can be alarmingly heavy, as has been underlined at times during United’s pre-season matches in America, but nobody is expecting him to be transformed into Dimitar Berbatov. The greater issue will be in ensuring that his all-round game enhances the team. Mourinho’s main demand of his centre forwards has tended to be less about scoring goals or stretching defences than about hold-up play. For a big man, Lukaku is remarkably good at the other side of the game, using his pace and power, but Mourinho will demand that he improves his hold-up play.
“I’m different,” Lukaku said when asked about comparisons with Didier Drogba, his hero. “Drogba is more of a hold-up player, a target man. I prefer to have the ball to feet and to run in behind. We might have physical similarities, but we’re totally different players. I’m Romelu Lukaku. I want to create my own history.”
 
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Lovely.

Fair comments from one to nark about how totally unfair it was last year. AGAIN! (Which was what was behind what he said. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. If that was a one off it would be one thing. But it's FAR from that.).

But it's a bitter reply from the other. After he'd been pressed on Everton prior to that who he told them he wasn't interested in talking on.

Oh, and it's a series of bitter comments that's nothing like Mourinho to boot. That was it right?

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

Now can we stop playing games and leave this pointless interlude behind?

You're the one carrying on
 
Yeah. Nobody else has been posting at all. Or does that not count as it fits the narrative?

Moving on .....


Utd's next games in Maryland? Didn't know that. Frigging Snyder is making more money from the ICC again huh? (Personal Redskins related rant on the dump that is FedEx.).
 
God just get it over with already, Perisic and Matic for £50m each, that's all she wrote.

Overpriced but this market is just ridiculous anyway. A teenager who's had one good season at the top level is worth £180m so I guess anything goes at this point.
 
I'd imagine Matic is only a matter of when, as he wants to leave, Chelsea have Bakayoko now and Juve have seemed to pull out. As for Perisic, I can't help but feel this whole pessimistic mood from Jose is just mindgames. The whole "If my club is not able to sign two players and is able to do just one, I will accept that as a consequence of the market now" is just a 'look, we want him, our good offer is on the table, but we won't be held to ransom' message to Inter.

Tbh the Perisic situation is a win-win, if we sign him, sound. If we don't because we're walking away from what we believe to be a high asking price, then we're setting an example of Inter; 'yes we spend, but we're not to be made mugs of'. Whatever happens, happens.
 
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Since Mou said he'd be satisfied with just 1 more signing, would you guys prefer that player to be a midfielder like Matic or a winger like Perisic?

I'd say Perisic tbh.
  • Our problem last season was in attack.
  • One of Perisics best assets is his crossing, we have Lukaku inside the box.
  • As much as I want Martial to become our first choice Left Winger, I don't think he's ready to be as consistent as Manchester United need him to be, yet.
  • With Perisic I think/hope we'll play 4-2-3-1 for the majority of the games.
  • I want Mkhitaryan to play #10 and not on the wings.
  • I prefer Pogba in a "deeper" 2 man midfield more than an advanced position in a 3 man.
 
Yeah, the only ones that would like Pogba in a deep role is RedUnited and whichever team we're playing :P In him we've got an instinctive gamechanger, with a dynamite shot, ability to hold off men/evade challenges and has a quality eye for a key pass - we need him as close to the goal as a CM can get without disrupting the balance.
 
Since Mou said he'd be satisfied with just 1 more signing, would you guys prefer that player to be a midfielder like Matic or a winger like Perisic?

I'd say Perisic tbh.
  • Our problem last season was in attack.
  • One of Perisics best assets is his crossing, we have Lukaku inside the box.
  • As much as I want Martial to become our first choice Left Winger, I don't think he's ready to be as consistent as Manchester United need him to be, yet.
  • With Perisic I think/hope we'll play 4-2-3-1 for the majority of the games.
  • I want Mkhitaryan to play #10 and not on the wings.
  • I prefer Pogba in a "deeper" 2 man midfield more than an advanced position in a 3 man.

Matic or any competent DM for me. Martial is just too **** good to be benched and should Perisic come, he'll be benched and he won't be happy about it.

About your Pogba point, playing him in a deeper role in a 2 man midfield is just a waste, clear as daylight.
 
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