The Manchester United Thread

Scouseinthehouse said:
Ok. Putting aside the fact I don't care for Pochettino much at all, what in the World makes anyone think he'd walk out on what he's built at Tottenham, about to move into a brand new stadium, to start building that from scratch all over at Utd?

You think you'd just rock up, and he'd jump at it because it's Utd?
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Exactly I if he did come. He definitely wouldn’t stay and be another Fergie like some seem to think. He will stay for a few years then want a new challenge either at a top club in France, Germany, Spain.
 
We finished 5th in the league last season... the Europa league win overshadowed that.

We started in the league this season well... but not we've dropped to 3rd and we haven't even hit the new year. It wouldn't surprise me if we drop out of the top 4.

What exactly has Jose stabilised? Obvioiusly this second half of the season will count for something but if we are battling for top 4, which is what is going to happen, then there has been no league improvement under Jose at all.

He has had hundreds of millions and moans about not having more. He can't even get the most out of the players he has signed Mkkhiartyan *cough*.

There are a lot of players here who can do better, but they need the right manager.

Say it again, if Pep was here and Jose at City, we win the league this season.
 
Don't think Pep would win the league with our exact crop, or at least not run away with it. It's 50% transformed into a Jose squad. Likewise, I think Jose doesn't do half the job Pep is doing if he had that midget squad of City's lol
 
zzeezzy said:
..... Say it again, if Pep was here and Jose at City, we win the league this season.
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Guardiola would certainly be getting far more out of the players at Utd that's for sure and wouldn't be so reliant on Pogba. Complete house of cards when you build your team like that.

There just seems to be no work at all on the attacking movement/ formation from Mourinho. It's like just go out, break, and it'll take care of itself.
 
zzeezzy said:
We finished 5th in the league last season... the Europa league win overshadowed that.

We started in the league this season well... but not we've dropped to 3rd and we haven't even hit the new year. It wouldn't surprise me if we drop out of the top 4.

What exactly has Jose stabilised? Obvioiusly this second half of the season will count for something but if we are battling for top 4, which is what is going to happen, then there has been no league improvement under Jose at all.

He has had hundreds of millions and moans about not having more. He can't even get the most out of the players he has signed Mkkhiartyan *cough*.

There are a lot of players here who can do better, but they need the right manager.

Say it again, if Pep was here and Jose at City, we win the league this season.
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If you can’t see the improvement under Jose this season so far then that’s your hate/ disappointment in Jose affecting your judgment. Yes performances of LATE have been poor. But before that when we were scoring 4 gls a game and playing good football. You were saying different.

Were still having one of our best seasons in the league to this point than in years. And our best CL qualifying groups since Fergies last years. Yes he’s spent millions and should be doing better. But have a little perspective at the same time. It’s always one extreme to another with you.
 
IMO there is too many supporters of United wanting instant success and it to go just the way it was when Fergie was there as soon as Jose arrived, You need to look at the league positions since Fergie left and judge then and you can see it has improved.

The club had no spine in the team which is slowly being built which will then give the ability to build the rest of the team around and promote from within, People saying United would play better under Pep do we really think players such as Herrera, Fellaini, Mkhitaryan, Lingard and others could play the style and tempo that Pep expects ? because I don't think so, City have a number of game changing players who are world class and can rely on others when they have Injuries.
 
It's not even about the success. We won 2 trophies last season and i don't rule out shithousing a dark horse run in the CL or an FA cup triumph, it's just the lack of identity from the team when playing. We rely so heavily on Pogba to do everything it's insane, then like yesterday, we have him playing deeper which practically negates his effect. What's the point signing Ozil or Dybala or whatever when the 4231 limits our record transfer? What's the planning behind that, Jose? Just signing big names for the sake of buying big names. Also, its not even completely about the shape, all of the front players have been average in this structure/environment, and you have to ask yourself, would Martial have more goals and assists than Sane at City? I'd think so. Would Lukaku have more goals if at Spurs? Yes. Would Pogba be as effective if not outshine KDB at City? Why not. Would our attackers be more comfortable in a system that revolves around us being a proactive team, rather than a reactive one? Definitely. Mourinho needs the best attackers, he needs word class consistency in the final third, as he himself can't enhance attackers. He is a defensive, reactive manager, who can overpower smaller sides due to quality on the pitch, but it's all crosses or just letting the team do what they feel fit, theres no identity or method behind it. Which is fine if you have Ronaldo and co. from his Madrid days, or Hazard and Costa from Chelsea, but if he doesn't have this level of ruthless attack, he's fighting a losing battle.

Say what you like about Poch, he gets more from this attack, and as a result, probably more from the team as a whole
 
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RhQQ said:
It's not even about the success. We won 2 trophies last season and i don't rule out shithousing a dark horse run in the CL or an FA cup triumph, it's just the lack of identity from the team when playing. We rely so heavily on Pogba to do everything it's insane, then like yesterday, we have him playing deeper which practically negates his effect. What's the point signing Ozil or Dybala or whatever when the 4231 limits our record transfer? What's the planning behind that, Jose? Just signing big names for the sake of buying big names. Also, its not even completely about the shape, all of the front players have been average in this structure/environment, and you have to ask yourself, would Martial have more goals and assists than Sane at City? I'd think so. Would Lukaku have more goals if at Spurs? Yes. Would Pogba be as effective if not outshine KDB at City? Why not. Would our attackers be more comfortable in a system that revolves around us being a proactive team, rather than a reactive one? Definitely. Mourinho needs the best attackers, he needs word class consistency in the final third, as he himself can't enhance attackers. He is a defensive, reactive manager, who can overpower smaller sides due to quality on the pitch, but it's all crosses or just letting the team do what they feel fit, theres no identity or method behind it. Which is fine if you have Ronaldo and co. from his Madrid days, or Hazard and Costa from Chelsea, but if he doesn't have this level of ruthless attack, he's fighting a losing battle.

Say what you like about Poch, he gets more from this attack, and as a result, probably more from the team as a whole
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Defo need a formation change imo. 433 for me. Don’t get the identity thing personaly. Arsenal have an identity and there worse than us. Same goes for Spurs and Pool ATM! Jose deserves criticism and rightly so. But the players more so for me.

Fosu having a good game against Sane atm.
 
Identity is the key to sustainability, TOD. For what it's worth, it hasn't all been rosy; I myself was in the hype of us scoring 4 goals every other game, but it didn't reflect the game in a majority of them if you're honest with yourself.

Shithousing our way through most of the season with flattery results and overrated football, it's of no surprise to see it catch up with us lately.

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Also, De Gea has had more saves to make than Courtois and Ederson combined (good quality chances too), so it's not like we're some top defensive unit that compensate our lack of fluidity/chance creating, which you'd normally associate with a Jose side.
 
RhQQ said:
Identity is the key to sustainability, TOD. For what it's worth, it hasn't all been rosy; I myself was in the hype of us scoring 4 goals every other game, but it didn't reflect the game in a majority of them if you're honest with yourself.

Shithousing our way through most of the season with flattery results and overrated football, it's of no surprise to see it catch up with us lately.

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Oh in no way I’m I saying we’ve been dominating or smashing teams with great footy. But we are easily creating enough chances to be winning games. We are just not being clinical enough.
 
RhQQ said:
Also, De Gea has had more saves to make than Courtois and Ederson combined (good quality chances too), so it's not like we're some top defensive unit that compensate our lack of fluidity/chance creating, which you'd normally associate with a Jose side.
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Really need to get a settled back 4 ASAP which is hard with our injuries atm. A change of formation would help cure that also.
 
Agreed mate but just think we need a different coach to get the best out of our attackers.

Mourinho needs elite attackers, any level below that, he needs players that suit him; wingers that play from deeper areas, not so much wide forwards. Think Duff and Robben from his Chelsea days, these are his ideal wide men, not a couple of number 9s who only want to go one way. He wants two way wingers who thrive in transition, which is why he wanted Perisic so much.

Makes more sense to get a new coach that suits our players, than to sign a **** load of old fashioned players that suit Jose, and we'll be ****** as he'll inevitably leave soon anyway
 
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RhQQ said:
It's not even about the success. We won 2 trophies last season and i don't rule out shithousing a dark horse run in the CL or an FA cup triumph, it's just the lack of identity from the team when playing. We rely so heavily on Pogba to do everything it's insane, then like yesterday, we have him playing deeper which practically negates his effect. What's the point signing Ozil or Dybala or whatever when the 4231 limits our record transfer? What's the planning behind that, Jose? Just signing big names for the sake of buying big names. Also, its not even completely about the shape, all of the front players have been average in this structure/environment, and you have to ask yourself, would Martial have more goals and assists than Sane at City? I'd think so. Would Lukaku have more goals if at Spurs? Yes. Would Pogba be as effective if not outshine KDB at City? Why not. Would our attackers be more comfortable in a system that revolves around us being a proactive team, rather than a reactive one? Definitely. Mourinho needs the best attackers, he needs word class consistency in the final third, as he himself can't enhance attackers. He is a defensive, reactive manager, who can overpower smaller sides due to quality on the pitch, but it's all crosses or just letting the team do what they feel fit, theres no identity or method behind it. Which is fine if you have Ronaldo and co. from his Madrid days, or Hazard and Costa from Chelsea, but if he doesn't have this level of ruthless attack, he's fighting a losing battle.

Say what you like about Poch, he gets more from this attack, and as a result, probably more from the team as a whole
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You speak sense but that is all in a perfect world, we can't just compare star players to other star players because as you say we rely too much on Pogba where as if KDB isn't performing Silva, Sterling perform instead and hopefully that's where players like Ozil or whoever we bring in can help Pogba and take pressure of him and help when the team aren't playing well, Jose isn't untouchable and isn't without blame however the man has a track record and is (hopefully) working towards a plan and he know's what he is doing.

I just feel people are getting caught up in the whole 'sack the manager' when things aren't going right but in the same breathe want another 'Fergie' and maybe they should look back into his career and see thing's weren't all that rosy to begin with under SAF and patience will be rewarded in time, Yes the style of play is not great but everyone knew Jose would stink the place out at times as that is what he does and hopefully over time he will adapt and begin to build a legacy. At the time I always thought Jose was the perfect man to replace SAF now I feel Pep would have been the better choice due to style of play however if Jose manages to win trophies then surely that's what it's all about ?
 
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All I know is we're not as good defensively as a Jose team should be, and we're not as good in an attacking sense to win a league title. He's past his best before date, but not 'use by'.
 
On another note, TFM has been class. Kept Sane anonymous so far

Should recall if Valencia injury is serious
 
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my six year old boy turned to me yesterday before the game and said dad,i dont like mourinho,we need a better manager dont we!kids are never wrong as we know haha
 
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