Tornado 3-4-3

[oldb4idie]

Good result with real madrid (no surprises here i guess...) screenshot attached with my league position, get trashed by barcelona and a last minute victory against arsenal.

next up i will use tottenham to see how this tactic goes without the selfish yet unstoppable ronaldo

 

[Letto2]

Hey oldb4idie, great timing as I've just updated the tactic.

It now has better possession and I think it's better overall although the changes seem somewhat minor.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend using inverted footed wingers anymore as I've had success with more conventional wingers but it still works fine either way.

How many goals did Ronaldo score for you? It would be great if you could play some more matches with Madrid and see how it compares to the first version.

 

[oldb4idie]

Hey oldb4idie, great timing as I've just updated the tactic.

It now has better possession and I think it's better overall although the changes seem somewhat minor.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend using inverted footed wingers anymore as I've had success with more conventional wingers but it still works fine either way.

How many goals did Ronaldo score for you? It would be great if you could play some more matches with Madrid and see how it compares to the first version.

I thought Ronaldo scores a lot of goals but in fact he only scored 22 out of 27, i can't remember how many he scores in other competition but i dont think he scored more than 30 (sounds strange to use the word only but its ronaldo we are talking about).

I am starting to think may the right winger is the key for your tactics, just check out what lennon is doing for tottenham(screenshot). Lennon is no messi or ronaldo yet he is playing like them so may be your tactic brings the best of the right wingers?

i don't mind testing your new tactics but is it the one that you saved as bristol rovers instead of Napoli? also bare in mind that i am using real madrid so even if your new tactic is not as good, you bound to get some results...

also posted the excellent result i had against chelsea! and the game after that.....

 

[Letto2]

Yes the new version is saved as Bristol Rovers. It has somewhat minor changes to the defenders and midfielders to make them pass the ball around a little more. I'm pretty confident that it's better than before but I'd like a second opinion.

Regarding Ronaldo i like to use him as the striker as that way the effects of his low teamwork are mitigated. I think Higuain would do fine as the AMR. Then again it has been long since i had Ronaldo and I've changed the tactic a lot since then and I'm not sure how Ronaldo plays with the latest version.

I'm surprised Lennon got so many goals and I suspect it has more to do with great passes and crosses from Bale(or Modric ?) from the AML position. I don't expect this form to last tbh .

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I updated the tactic again. This time I just changed the wide midfielders tackling back to normal as I've found they got too many yellow cards with hard tackling and they made too many risky tackles. Also changed the name to Tornado Domination as I've found the name was truncated before.

 

[oldb4idie]

Yes the new version is saved as Bristol Rovers. It has somewhat minor changes to the defenders and midfielders to make them pass the ball around a little more. I'm pretty confident that it's better than before but I'd like a second opinion.

Regarding Ronaldo i like to use him as the striker as that way the effects of his low teamwork are mitigated. I think Higuain would do fine as the AMR. Then again it has been long since i had Ronaldo and I've changed the tactic a lot since then and I'm not sure how Ronaldo plays with the latest version.

I'm surprised Lennon got so many goals and I suspect it has more to do with great passes and crosses from Bale(or Modric ?) from the AML position. I don't expect this form to last tbh .

---------- Post added 03/05/2011 at 02:52 AM ---------- Previous post was 02/05/2011 at 03:44 PM ----------

I updated the tactic again. This time I just changed the wide midfielders tackling back to normal as I've found they got too many yellow cards with hard tackling and they made too many risky tackles. Also changed the name to Tornado Domination as I've found the name was truncated before.

I finish a season using your original tactics and get some amazing results. I did used tornado dominate for sometime but what i found is, while i may get more procession, i dont get that many shots in. Under the principle of "don't fix till it breaks", i stick with tornado 433 for the rest of the season. won the league, fa cup and league cup, reached semi final for champions league.

i think if you attach some pics on your post on the tactics page you will get more download...it is a very good tactic!

next up i may take this tactic to italy or germany and see how it goes over there.

attached with my final league position and some outstanding players.
p.s. i bought derdiyok on Jan only because he scored a lot of goals on a post that i read, he turns out to be a bargain now

 

[Letto2]

Wow, thanks for testing and giving feedback.
That's some great results there and you won both cups and CL semi-final with Spurs? Are you sure your players didn't eat some illegal spinach or something ?
Was this with the Napoli-labeled tactic ?
How many matches did you play with the domination tactic and what results did you get? Maybe I'll do some more tweaking and post an update.

I tested it with Wolverhampton and both tactics produced the same results 17 -7-14 : 58 points, tough the domination tactic I tested by going on holiday wile the first tactic I mostly played the matches.

PS: I think the principle is "if it's not broken don't fix it". It is exactly the principle that I try to guide myself after - once the tactic is good enough i try to make only small changes that should only have a positive impact.

PPS: What positions did Pienaar and van der Vaart play?

 

[oldb4idie]

Wow, thanks for testing and giving feedback.
That's some great results there and you won both cups and CL semi-final with Spurs? Are you sure your players didn't eat some illegal spinach or something ?
Was this with the Napoli-labeled tactic ?
How many matches did you play with the domination tactic and what results did you get? Maybe I'll do some more tweaking and post an update.

I tested it with Wolverhampton and both tactics produced the same results 17 -7-14 : 58 points, tough the domination tactic I tested by going on holiday wile the first tactic I mostly played the matches.

PS: I think the principle is "if it's not broken don't fix it". It is exactly the principle that I try to guide myself after - once the tactic is good enough i try to make only small changes that should only have a positive impact.

PPS: What positions did Pienaar and van der Vaart play?

I've got some lucky draw with all the cups...i reached semi final of champs league by beating OM... my league cup final was against west ham, while my FA cup final was against man utd, its the only so called big 4 team i played against in the cup.

Yes it is the napoli tactics, i used tornado domination for about 10 games. i was still winning i think but its the number of shots and CCC that worries me.

Van der Vaart: MCR, keep banging goals in from long range
Pienaar: AML or AMR...most of his assist would be for corner, Bassong headed about 20 goals for me i think

 

[Letto2]

I've reverted back to the first tactic for now. I think I'll release an archive with multiple tactics sometime. I'm still pretty sure that the possession tactic is better for when you are favorite in a match, but the first tactic seems to get better results in close games, although it doesn't usually produce better stats.

 

[Koko4]

Hi Letto!

Where can I download your original tactic?

 

[Letto2]

You can download the original tactic from the link in the OP.

 

[Koko4]

You can download the original tactic from the link in the OP.

Our mate oldb4idie used tactic where MR and ML have hard tackling... and you have tweaked it. and there is a tactic in the OP. What is better one? Napoli tactic or other one?

As far as I know I use the tactic which is in OP. Result: HSV 1st pos., Newcastle 3rd pos. in first season.

THX!

 

[Letto2]

The one in the op is better. The other one gets more possession but in close games it doesn't get results as good. It is better for matches when you are clearly superior or when the opposition parks the bus tough.

 

[oldb4idie]

what i think i will do now is see how your tactic goes with a weak team so i am going to use blackpool, normally i will go sick with a weak team quickly cause i hate losing so no guarantee that i will finish the season

 

[oldb4idie]

what i think i will do now is see how your tactic goes with a weak team so i am going to use blackpool, normally i will go sick with a weak team quickly cause i hate losing so no guarantee that i will finish the season

as i expected, quit playing blackpool after 1 game!

still using tottenham, 2nd season and check out who's my top goal scorer and who has the most assist?

 

[Bojinov]

hi letto what changes you do when you go down to ten mens?
And what teamtalks do you use?

 

[Letto2]

When I'm down one man I'll put the red-carded-man in a place depending on the match. Usually either a winger if I don't need to score a goal or the MCR if I want to score. putting him in the MCL/R or the even central defender also works. Either way don't put him in the MCL, striker or one of the non-central defender positions.

For team-talks I start with what the assistant says but will usually change it. I'm very reticent to say things that put pressure like "expect a win" especially to the 3 strikers since they get quite a number of not so clear cut chances and this can make them miss a lot more. Also I say "no pressure" to players with poor morale and "pickup where u left off" to players that react well to it (as explained in Wolfsong team talk).

Complacency at half-time is a big issue tho and I almost always say "don't let your performance drop"/"don't get careless" if I'm favorite or if I'm on a winning streak. Also say "disappointing" to players <= 6.4 and "you have faith" to goalscorers or >= 7.5. Never say "pleased" at half-time, always change it to "encourage" or "don't let your performance drop"/"don't get careless".

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Btw, at the beginning of the match you should check what your assistant reports about players feeling over-confident(as explained in Wolfsong team talk) and set "expect a performance" for any overconfident player, but the best is if you can tell him to "pick up where you left off" especially if said player is one of the strikers.
I try to not tell the whole team that I expect a win even if "most of my team" are reported beying over-confident the first time. I only tell them after it appears a few times, when I suspect that the overconfidence became a real problem. I think I can tell by the way they play.
Look at the end of matches if you get "good first half,but poor second half" or "warn against complacency for the next match" I think those help.

Also I got an *** man with 17 man management and 20 motivation and let him handle press conferences. I don't get players overconfident very often and I suspect that this has something to do with it.

 

[Joga Bonito]

Nice tactic, the goals I concede are usually long-throws and corners, although sometimes a lucky counter.

I've tried defensive positioning and set pieces in match preparation but it doesn't seem to help, looks like the only real weakness in this tactic. I like it.