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I enjoy experimenting with different tactics and broadly speaking i've enjoyed decent success with various formations. Generally, the most successful formation i've developed is along the lines of:

GK
DR - Wing Back, Attacking
DL - Wing Back, Attacking
CB
CB
DM - Def Mid, Defensive
CM - Box to Box
AM - Attacking Mid, Support
AMR, Winger, Support
AML, Inside Forward, Attacking
FC - Advanced Fwd/Complete Fwd

Control tactic with a balanced philosophy. I press more, tackle aggressively and put a lot of pressure on opponents. I get a varied service to the front man and it usually works well.

The 2 exceptions i've had with different tactics are using a standard 4-4-2 and developing a tactic with a trequarista

I'm curious - for those of you using a 4-4-2, what team settings and individual tweaks do you tend to go for?

And has anyone had success using a trequarista? If so, how do you use him and how do you set the rest of the team up to balance out the lack of defensive discipline from deploying one?

Cheers
 
At Argentina, I used Kun Aguero as a trequartista in a 4-1-1-2-3 formation with Lisandro Lopez (poacher) on the left and Gonzalo Higuain (target man) on the right. It worked really well, Aguero and the rest of the team were banging in the goals, but we were conceding a few too, but that was due to the quality of the defence. Is there a particular team you wanted to test for first?
 
4-2-3-1-deep with Dezko/Bendtner type ST as complete forward with roaming AM as trequarista without roaming (diego-juve is the best imo) he'll set up and score ~20goals and assists a season but more important, the roaming ST draws out 1 cb, the other goes for the Trequista meaning SOOOO much space for the amR/L to get a throughball in the area. Free goals are nice:)
 
Thanks Guys

Pistolped - I tend to let fate decide who i manage if i want a real challenge by tossing a coin!. At the moment i'm managing QPR and i'm only in my first season but its going well - top of the league in Feb, clear of 3rd by 8 points and in the 5th round of the FA cup having beaten premiership opposition in rounds 3 and 4, so i'm not looking to change too much. I had been playing with Busaky as an advanced playmaker (AM) but as i tweaked and improved my taking he was becoming less and less effective as my aggressive closing down strategy restricts his space to play. I'm now using Faurlin who's much more dynamic and helps me control games. He also frees up a bit of space for Rowland who i'm playing as a box to box MF and he's getting goals. If I do go up though i think better teams will expose my pressing game so i'm thinking ahead. I'm wondering if could change my tactic to sit off teams a little more, play on the break more and use a trequarista in the hole. More generally i wondered if anyone had ever used a trequarista as a single striker...maybe someone like berbatov?

I'm also considering starting a game and using someone like Man Utd, Real Madrid etc to see what I can do with a squad full of great players and tons of resources.

Strangely, when i've played with big teams before I tend to have more success using a counter tactic at home with a control tactic away, wheras i'd always have thought it would be the other way around!
 
If you do start a game with a big team, then try to sign someone like Aguero or maybe Javier Pastore from Palermo. I played him against Bolivia when all the big players were recalled by their clubs, but in an attacking midfield role, he scored three. Against Scotland, he created loads of chances from the trequartista role, but we never scored. I'm still not sure about what to do about this, I'm sacrificing goals from the front line with a trequartista role and underperforming strikers ( Tevez and Palacio), but with quality strikers (so Madrid would be a good idea, they have Higuain and Benzema, maybe use Ozil or Ronaldo as a trequartista) it works very well. If you don't have quality strikers or a good playmaker, then it probs won't work very well.
 
Cheers for the tip. I'll have to do a bit more experimenting I guess. I usually find the individual players settings/roles fairly straight forward. Its the team ones that undo me. I struggle to get the right balance between closing down and standing off. In my mind i'd probably prefer a 'Rigid' philosophy but i tend to do better with balanced tactics.
 
I personally don't use it often but when I do I prefer him to be the attacking mid behind 2 strikers (target man-support or complete forward-support and a poacher).
 
You have to find those selective bunc of players. The best trequartista in the game would be someone like Kaka. However there are many more youngsters who if trained well could perform even better than Kaka.

ive had some players who were being played as a trequartista that put my strikers to shame. a very powerful role, if not the most powerful role. play trequartistas in squads where creativity is not as high as you want.
 
Players like Tevez,Rooney,Aguero,Kaka,Canales,Kranjcar do extremely well at Trequartista.Also Buonanotte has ideal stats for the role
 
Whenever I play with a Trequartista i always seem to play badly, do you recommend a more defensive approach for the rest of the team?

 
It depends a lot on where you want to play him . The trequartista role can be used for both an attacking midfielder and a striker . Basically he must have the passing and creativity of a good attacking midfielder and the finishing and composure of a good striker .

In my first game on Football Manager 2010 , I bought Tim Cahill and played him as a trequartista behind Rooney while I was managing Manchester United . He got me about 25 goals in the first season although I think he might have got 5 goals from his incredible heading ability from corners . He performed very well for me .
 
AFLongski said:
Whenever I play with a Trequartista i always seem to play badly, do you recommend a more defensive approach for the rest of the team?

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Maybe you arent supporting the trequartista. a trequartista is a main outlet for attack, he does almost NOTHING to retain posession or to help the ball flow on. So you have to make sure the supply gets to him, and to make sure you have enough players backing him up defensively.
 
Arshavin is god at treq. I play a 4-3-1-2, the front two being Arsh on the left as treq and rvp as poacher, first season he scored 14, 20 assists, 7MoM, but he played half the season as the lone AM(attack), now this season he has 9 goals 4 assists, in 14 games, while RVP had 30 goals and 17 assists. I feel to have a good treq you need to have a good player partnering him as I can not get results from bendtner, vela, chamakh, who have been struggling to find playing time in my team. Lukaku is my 1st choice to replace RVP but he is not settling in well as a Poacher and I've tried him as a Target man and it hasnt worked well either. Ever since I started using Arshavin as treq, I have gone 57 games unbeaten in all competitions, every tactic I use I do my best to incorporate a treq, a very beautiful and fascinating position in both FM10 and in real life.
 
Bendtner does not really shine until 2½seasons in. needs time to get his stats up.

I seem to get the best results with an amc treq, using a lone striker. having 2 ST's means there is not roam for his deep runs. and using 1 of 2 ST's as a treq means he does not cover enough of the pitch-- neither deep enough or wide enough(does not cover the far side of the other striker)
 
If your going to play a Trequarista I think you need to get the formation and balance of the team right. Trying to play a AMC TQ behind two ST with very attacking wide midfielder/wingers will leave you short of defensive players hence I find more defensive wide players (or MC) work best rather than one dimensional attacking players. With a single striker and a TQ behind him you can afford to be more attacking outside as you will probably have an extra MC/DM such as a 4-2-3-1 formation. If you play 2 up front and one is your TQ and your midfield has enough defensive strength you should do fine (4-4-2 type formation with good alround midfielders). In formations like true 4-3-3 (3 MC, 3 ST) you need good allround midfielders and the strikers to do some closing down, you can't really play someone like Van der Vaart in the midfield as he won't win the ball back like a Gerrard type player would.

Basically don't try and do a Milan and play loads of lazy forwards with TQ type roles and expect 6 or 7 players to do the work of 9 or 10 outfield players. You need the defensive players and midfield workhorses to win the ball back for the TQ to do there magic.
 
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TheRiddl3R said:
Bendtner does not really shine until 2½seasons in. needs time to get his stats up.

I seem to get the best results with an amc treq, using a lone striker. having 2 ST's means there is not roam for his deep runs. and using 1 of 2 ST's as a treq means he does not cover enough of the pitch-- neither deep enough or wide enough(does not cover the far side of the other striker)
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Would you play with two wide AMs in that case?

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Preston85 said:
If your going to play a Trequarista I think you need to get the formation and balance of the team right. Trying to play a AMC TQ behind two ST with very attacking wide midfielder/wingers will leave you short of defensive players hence I find more defensive wide players (or MC) work best rather than one dimensional attacking players. With a single striker and a TQ behind him you can afford to be more attacking outside as you will probably have an extra MC/DM such as a 4-2-3-1 formation. If you play 2 up front and one is your TQ and your midfield has enough defensive strength you should do fine (4-4-2 type formation with good alround midfielders). In formations like true 4-3-3 (3 MC, 3 ST) you need good allround midfielders and the strikers to do some closing down, you can't really play someone like Van der Vaart in the midfield as he won't win the ball back like a Gerrard type player would.

Basically don't try and do a Milan and play loads of lazy forwards with TQ type roles and expect 6 or 7 players to do the work of 9 or 10 outfield players. You need the defensive players and midfield workhorses to win the ball back for the TQ to do there magic.
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My midfielders are very capable to do the work the attack leaves behind or gets caught out on, around my DLP(defend) which is fabregas, I have moussa sissoko and alex song who are very capable defensively, and against the likes of kaka/lampard etc ill throw song as ANC and drop who ever i had playing AM to the right of fabby.
 
io played a 4-5-1 formation with rooney as a Trequarista and nani inside forward on the left with valencia on the right as a winger....all of them scored quite a few goals but rooney was the most effecctive scoring in nearly everygame
 
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