UNREAL!

[diogovivas8]

first of all thanks for this awesome tactic, but I don't understand this, if u start a match using counter , attack, and waste time in all three slots and u r losing at half time then how do I switch to overload version ????

You switch to overload because its very similar to Attack, it wil 90 per cent fluid

 

[carlosxxx2009]

You switch to overload because its very similar to Attack, it wil 90 per cent fluid

thanks mate

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

Guys, here's interesting fact. Have you noticed that 4-1DM-2-2-1 formation is the least popular formation(at least here on this forum)?

How come? It looks strange because this formation is starting formation for 2 best clubs: Barcelona and Bayern...

There's simple answer for that - It's because this formation requires 2 support tactics: 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2

Barcelona and Bayern almost always go for these 2 support tactics(heh... sure I'm talking about AI) during the 2nd half if they are unhappy with current result and after they score they change back to 4-1DM-2-2-1.

Many simple don't know about it and never have noticed it.


It also explains why 4-2-3-1 and Diamond formations are popular(i'm talking about this forum) because you can have much better results using it solely than any 4-1DM-2-2-1 tactics.

By default 4-2-3-1 and Diamond formations are much more attacking than 4-1DM-2-2-1 and in many cases you can simple outscore your opponent, especially, in cases when you are much stronger.

But still many are unhappy with consistency they have using 4-2-3-1 and Diamond formations and the explanation of this is also simple. It's because these formations can throw away big leads and they are not enough attacking when you need extreme attack.

IMHO, there's only way to get ultimate consistency to understand that all formations have its limits how attacking or defensive it can be.

Yes, you can make 4-1DM-2-2-1 formation more attacking but it will never be such attacking as for example 3-4-1-2 and if there's only 45 min left and you need 2 goals so in this case setting "Overload" mentality for 4-1DM-2-2-1 formation will have extremely small effect but if you want really visible changes you should chance formation.

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

first of all thanks for this awesome tactic, but I don't understand this, if u start a match using counter , attack, and waste time in all three slots and u r losing at half time then how do I switch to overload version ????

Simple add it from archived tactics.

 

[carlosxxx2009]

Simple add it from archived tactics.

so if u r using counter version and r losing half time do u just change the mentality to overload ?

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

so if u r using counter version and r losing half time do u just change the mentality to overload ?

Mate, I don't change mentality of Counter_V1 version I use other version - Overload_V1.

 

[carlosxxx2009]

Mate, I don't change mentality of Counter_V1 version I use other version - Overload_V1.

but u said u don't put overload tactic in the starting 3 slots

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

but u said u don't put overload tactic in the starting 3 slots

You can use tactics from "archive" during the match even you don't have it in slots.

 

[carlosxxx2009]

You can use tactics from "archive" during the match even you don't have it in slots.

can u ? I didn't even know that, how do I do that

 

[Tacticseeker]

is the counter v1 better defensively than the v3 defensive?

i find v3 defensive really good for when i need to use it, and have no problems scoring with it, so if counter v1 is worse defensively i won't use it

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

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Ok, I've given new Counter version number of stress tests and it proven its worth.

The final test was real game play in my long term save at West Ham and it went awesome.

Here are the results and you can judge by yourself.

Here's the most important part: it's just impossible to achieve such results without using Overload and Waste Time versions and I used it almost every game.

Here's typical match scenario:

1) I start match with tactic according to the guide.
2) If I lead after 1st half then I keep using it.
3) If lead more than 2 goals then I could change for Waste Time or keep using base tactic it depends on opposition's strength.
4) If I draw or lose after 1st half then I change for Overload and after 15-25 min of using it I usually score and then change to base version.

Why many struggle to get consistent results? The answer is simple it's because they stick to one tactic/formation!

Every formation has its limits. Here's what I'm talking about:
You just can't get extreme attack from 4-1DM-2-2-1 formation and no matter whatever team instruction/shouts/PIs you set and the same time you just can't get extreme defense from 4-2-3-1 formation.

Here's my rating of formations:

The best formation if you want to make ultimate defense:

The best formation if you want to make ultimate attack:

Hybrid formations:

These formations have moderate attack or defense. Some of them are more attacking and some more defensive. They all can be used as starting tactics but none of them have extremes but it happens very often that during the match you need extremes!

How do AI teams play?

They play exactly as I described above. You can see that such clubs as Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and many more go for extreme formations almost every time when they are unhappy/happy with current result.

Yes, they start matches with 4-3-2-1/4-1DM-2-2-1 or whatever formation but in 2nd half if they are unhappy with the result then they go for extreme formations.

Guys, here's interesting fact. Have you noticed that 4-1DM-2-2-1 formation is the least popular formation(at least here on this forum)?

How come? It looks strange because this formation is starting formation for 2 best clubs: Barcelona and Bayern...

There's simple answer for that - It's because this formation requires 2 support tactics: 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2

Barcelona and Bayern almost always go for these 2 support tactics(heh... sure I'm talking about AI) during the 2nd half if they are unhappy with current result and after they score they change back to 4-1DM-2-2-1.

Many simple don't know about it and never have noticed it.


It also explains why 4-2-3-1 and Diamond formations are popular(i'm talking about this forum) because you can have much better results using it solely than any 4-1DM-2-2-1 tactics.

By default 4-2-3-1 and Diamond formations are much more attacking than 4-1DM-2-2-1 and in many cases you can simple outscore your opponent, especially, in cases when you are much stronger.

But still many are unhappy with consistency they have using 4-2-3-1 and Diamond formations and the explanation of this is also simple. It's because these formations can throw away big leads and they are not enough attacking when you need extreme attack.

IMHO, there's only way to get ultimate consistency to understand that all formations have its limits how attacking or defensive it can be.

Yes, you can make 4-1DM-2-2-1 formation more attacking but it will never be such attacking as for example 3-4-1-2 and if there's only 45 min left and you need 2 goals so in this case setting "Overload" mentality for 4-1DM-2-2-1 formation will have extremely small effect but if you want really visible changes you should chance formation.

I'll bump these posts for more visibility it may be helpful

is the counter v1 better defensively than the v3 defensive?

i find v3 defensive really good for when i need to use it, and have no problems scoring with it, so if counter v1 is worse defensively i won't use it

I find that Counter_V1 has slightly better balance between attack and defense than Defense_V3. It's still solid at the back as Defense_V3 but you have more chances to score.

 

[t0rr3z]

Hey TFF, great tactic you got here and I appreciate the success it brought me haha

I'm in my second season with São Paulo and I've won 1 Libertadores, 1 Sudamericana (equivalent of the europa league), 2 paulistas (regional tournaments), 1 league title and currently am 10 points clear. I managed some insane results with the defensive tactic, such as 6-0 against Peñarol and Coritiba (in one of the Libertadores final leg) and 7-1 against Internacional.

However I do find some matches were it is incredibly hard to create chances, like playing a bottom table team and winning 1-0 at home with a 80ish minute winner and having 8 shots in the whole match.

I didn't use the strategy of the Overload/Time waste tactic, so I think I'm going to add that to my matches. But I have one question.

Since we use wingbacks in the Defensive/Counter/Attacking I don't really have any real wingers, so if I would've use my wingbacks as wingers, would it affect too much the Overload tactic? Would it still work like it should?

Again, thanks a lot for your tactics.

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

I didn't use the strategy of the Overload/Time waste tactic, so I think I'm going to add that to my matches. But I have one question.

Mate, I'm really surprised that you've had achieved success without using Overload and Waste tactics because I'd say it's possible to achieve only 30% of what you are capable to achieve by using them.

Since we use wingbacks in the Defensive/Counter/Attacking I don't really have any real wingers, so if I would've use my wingbacks as wingers, would it affect too much the Overload tactic? Would it still work like it should?

Sure, and this is main advantage because for WBL/WBR positions you need such type of player who almost in 99% of cases are "Competent" or "Accomplished" for ML/MR position and it's more than enough.


Here you can check players who I use for WBL/WBR positions in my West Ham save.





WBL/ML – positions.

WBR/MR – positions

Currently I'm developing weak foot of Mattia De Sciglio and he will be either footed(Strong/Very Strong) and also I'll train him ML position so he can cover 4 positions: WBL/WBR/ML/MR! It will be just awesome

 

[UthenBolt]

lost 4-0 to Liverpool

I start with Attack according to the guide, they were using 4-1DM-2-2-1. I hold it to draw until HT with a load of shot from them.Then I changed to Overload and concede 4 goals from their counter attack. Any solution? I'm using tottenham.

 

[TotalFootballFan9]

lost 4-0 to Liverpool

I start with Attack according to the guide, they were using 4-1DM-2-2-1. I hold it to draw until HT with a load of shot from them.Then I changed to Overload and concede 4 goals from their counter attack. Any solution? I'm using tottenham.

Mate, where did you get the idea that you should always change to Overload after 1st half if you draw?

Against such clubs as Liverpool it could be suicidal and it should be done only in cases if you are losing anyway.

You should change to Overload when you draw only against bottom table clubs and sure this is only if you are one the strongest clubs in the league and compete for the title.

 

[hammersftw]

TF9, can u please post some tips to develop the young players??

 

[Robos]

Any specific stats required for AMC now that both attack and counter uses AMC?

Great tactic btw!

 

[CallumM556]

So at the start my aston villa career Randy Lerner decided to sell the club and a wealthy "tycoon" took over. And going into December I'm unbeaten, I'm out at the moment so I can't put screenshots up but these tactics are incredible, even beat man city at home. But with all the money I've been given i kinda of expect to be the next Manchester City

 

[CallumM556]

where to begin haha, i spent 20 million in the transfer window my favorite buy being Balanta. i've only played 3 major teams being, spurs, city and liverpool respectively. 2 wins and a draw i was extremely proud of. i dominated spurs and should of won but benteke & moreno missed everything. we deserved to beat liverpool and city. we've drawn against a few teams where we should of won but they just parked the bus. You may notice your perfection tactic in there TTF which i do love but i will remove it for the overload tactic. i use the defense, attack and waste time tactic mainly. many thanks again to you TFF as you have made me enjoy FM again
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[TotalFootballFan9]

You may notice your perfection tactic in there TTF which i do love but i will remove it for the overload tactic.

Overload version helps me win about 30% of matches in season. For example, I've used it about 15 times in my current season at West Ham and in 90% of cases I had such need goal! I simple don't imagine my game without it.

Any specific stats required for AMC now that both attack and counter uses AMC?

Great tactic btw!

You can modify attributes requirements in filters for AMC position, lower Work Rate by 1 point and remove Positioning but I find it's more efficient to have universal players whom you can play any time on AMC or MC position. Yes, such players cost **** amount of many but it's worth it. I'm talking about players like Andrea Poli or McCarthy.

Yes, their CA budget is spent on Positioning, Tackling and Marking which aren't too useful for AMC and you'd better want that it was spend in something more useful like Technique, Flair, Dribbling and other but as I said it gives very good ability to play them on MC position.

No doubt someone like Juan Mate will be more efficient on AMC positions.