It's definitely not worth getting caught up on, but most of this came from the guy that literally said that Gerrard didn't do anything wrong.
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It's definitely not worth getting caught up on, but most of this came from the guy that literally said that Gerrard didn't do anything wrong.
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Did you get it? I got a treble going I took Costa Rica on in play on 60 minutes with France and Ecuador kept an eye on results but just got in watching now
Ref blew up on 2:59. Needless to say, im gutted :'(
Sorry to keep bringing up Gerrard but I really don't see why he's getting so much criticism. Seems like he's an easy target because he's a senior squad member with previous international failures, like Rooney. Yet players like Hart and Henderson, who were both worse than Gerrard at this tournament, aren't being mentioned at all?
Football fans in England are weird, it seems like the blame is assigned purely through club biases. I hate Liverpool? Well clearly Gerard was worst player on the pitch. He also made a bad backpass back in 1972, so obviously they have to bring it up as very relevant to the discussion about the game from last Thursday.
Can't speak for rest of the world, but we don't get that **** in Poland at all.
Mentioned to a Liverpool fan that i felt mentally Gerrard was done as soon as he slipped against Chelsea and he agreed. Said that killed him inside. Its not for first time he has made a mistake which has led to a goal, its a common thing.
That's up for debate.
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So Hodgson has managed smaller teams and been largely unsuccessful but Redknapp hasn't?
Said to a mate of mine before the tournament started that i was just going to enjoy the football this time and not let England get me down and i haven't. Gutted i have missed a lot through work but my god this has been an amazing tournament! It's made me think Paulo Wanchope is a god saying before the tournament "this Costa Rica side is going to shock a lot of people".
It's a stupid cultural thing in English football. I find it kind of mystifying when club biases come so strongly into national selection and performance, but people really do rip players just because they play for a team they dislike. Frankly, once a player pulls on an England shirt, I'll judge them by their virtues and vices on the pitch: what they do and how they conduct themselves at club level is entirely separate from what they do internationally. Now, sometimes there's exceptions. Terry was one, but that was quite an extraordinary situation, and even then I didn't really care too much because I feel the captaincy is massively overblown by England as it is.
But I digress. These club biases are ridiculous, and much as I joke about calling up Wilf Zaha and all that, I think we'd all benefit from taking a step back and looking at it without any tinted glasses.
That said, not taking Joel Ward was a DISGRACE, A ******* DISGRACE.
Hmm. That would imply that actually Gerrard is quite good at mentally recovering from mistakes like that, then, surely, if he's done it before and gone on to be very successful?
Best English player of the past ten years is Ashley Cole and there should be little discussion.
Eh, out of those two only Terry would've been any use, and even he couldn't have prevented the kind of catastrophic defensive errors we produced.
Weird thing is, Hodgson's actually got a good international pedigree. Redknapp is a semi-literate - by his own admission! - wheeler-dealing man manager with a knack for getting a team of players to perform in his specific system through squad building. In other words, exactly what we don't need as England manager. This obsession with Redknapp by a lot of England fans, even now, is pretty bemusing.
Hodgson will do for now, I think. This World Cup did not go well for us, but we played FAR better than we did four years ago. We got out of the group then and didn't now, **** happens. Go again in the Euros with the old guard fully banished and a proper system that incorporates an actual holding midfielder (looking at you, Thudd), a seasoned centre-back pairing which has actually developed a partnership (a few options: Cahill, Davies, Jones, Caulker, Stones, Smalling if he can shake himself out of this funk) and no Glen ******* Johnson (Walker is fine, but Clyne and Ward are better).
Jesus ******* Christ ... Read back a few pages and you'll see that I lay the blame squarely at the door of both the defenders and Gerrard. LFCMarshall came here and gave a few of us the impression that he was trying to absolve Gerrard of any blame which was ridiculous (Something which Subtle pointed out in his post above). I never singled out Gerrard or made him an easy target. Read all my posts from a few pages back and it will be very clear to you before you start accusing people of 'stirring'
Also did he really have to compete with Cavani? From where I was sitting, he was a yard or two behind. Either way, he Mis-timed his header badly, the defenders ****** up and Suarez scored. Poor play all round which is what I always said. So can we stop dragging this issue further
FYI Lampard did make the squad idiot
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Too true.
Problem is with the 3-5-2 is that it's just so vulnerable down the flanks. It matches a 4-3-3 (and variants) in midfield and puts two on two in attack, but on the flanks where so many of today's best players are, it gives up a two on one situation on both sides. Not to mention that in defence you'd have three players marking one, which is a pretty unnecessary surplus.
The 3-5-2 works fantastically against narrow formations with four man defences. It's part of the reason why Juventus and before them Napoli excelled in Serie A, a league then dominated by a natural inclination towards the 4-3-1-2 as a 'default' formational framework. It doesn't work anywhere near as well against a properly functioning 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.
Take, for example, the Dutch, as mentioned earlier. They destroyed a Spain side that was playing a dysfunctional 4-2-3-1, with a horrifically narrow shape that played right into the Dutch hands. Their wingers were too narrow, coming inside and congesting the centre, where a beleaguered Xavi was doing nothing. This gave Blind and Janmaat free run of the flanks, allowing them to attack Alba and Azpilicueta. And so the Dutch won, with a fantastic performance from Blind the particular highlight.
Compare that to Australia, who played a counterattacking 4-3-3. This gave the Dutch way more problems as Oar and Leckie got in behind the two wing-backs. Holland were matched blow for blow despite their vastly superior quality, up until half time where LVG changed to a 4-3-3 and let them get into a more evenly-matched, individual duel-based game where their quality showed.
I won't go into the details of Chile's 3-5-2, but they played it differently whilst encountering similar problems. All in all, yes, there is a chance it could trickle down, but I doubt it. Put a basic 3-5-2 up against a manager like, say, Mourinho, and he'll rip it apart. It's just too exploitable in its vanilla form.
3-5-2 is painfully exploitable. Its a great system to switch into during the game, as a sort of 'surprise buttsecks' kind thing. But as a primary formation its really easy to counter as long the other manager is half-competent and took the time to look through archaic tactical manuals.
By comparision even generic 4-4-2 is a lot more solid. Its quite easy to drill the team to hold the fort with two banks of four, and be very hard to penetrate.
By comparision even generic 4-4-2 is a lot more solid. Its quite easy to drill the team to hold the fort with two banks of four, and be very hard to penetrate.
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I have never agreed with you more. Certainly JT
The 3-5-2 system is one of the reasons why Hoddle should not be given the England job now. When AVB was relieved of his duties at Tottenham Hoddle threw his hat in the ring and all he kept harping about was how teams should be playing 3-5-2. He has been out of it too long. Just because he may think he knows what he is talking about in a studio does not mean he will be the man to carry on from where he left off before the FA sacked him. I idolised Hoddle as a player but as a manager he has done nothing of note. It will be the equivalent of what Liverpool did by getting Dalglish in to manage after being out so long from the changing game.
I'm not a big fan of Hodgson but to be fair to him he did get us playing some good football and Rooney's glaring chances in both games arguably cost us any points which could of been so vital.
However my issue with Hodgson is the mistakes he has made... why not take Michael Carrick or Gareth Barry? It's still mystifying to this day... I mean... Carrick has had a very ordinary season... but then again so has Lampard... I just don't get it. Lampard offered nothing to this squad apart from his experience... but we have plenty of others who can give that whilst actually offering something to the team.
Ashley Cole should of 10000000% gone.... even at RB I'd of preferred him over Glen Johnson. It's so frustrating how bad Johnsin actually is.
However my point actually was about who's Thudd? Do you know of any other good young English holding midfielders who are coming up? We really lack that.
Also just to re-emphasise like you did.. I think we have very good RB prospects.... Clyne I'm a fan of.... Calum Chambers is a talent.
Tom Huddlestone. Who Tottenham let go because he cant tackle, has no pace (An artic lorry turns quicker), Shoots from distance all the time and only on a few occasions actually finds the target.
Good grief if he is part of the future of England then we need to pack up now.
Good grief if he is part of the future of England then we need to pack up now.
Pace and tackling are not really important for the role he offers in a team... I mean look at Pirlo.
He's not great by any means but he definitely offers something England currently doesn't have.
That's why Bruce plays Livermore with him for Hull... he's actually had a good season.
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Those who have played FIFA know the 3-5-2 does not work... Worry everytime Reus, Robben, Ribery ETC come against you
It often comes down to how well the Wing Back-s and the CB's are positioned, I've had great success with it on Fifa... but I don't have Fifa 14.
Tom Huddlestone, who Tottenham let go because he was behind about four wildly talented central midfielders and had had an injury-prone season. Tom Huddlestone, who plays in a role where pace is probably literally the least important attribute. Tom Huddlestone, who made 94 (NINETY FOUR) tackles this season gone, beating out the likes of Gareth Barry, Michael Carrick, Jordan Henderson, Yaya Toure, Jack Cork, Victor Wanyama, Mohamed Diame and even Gary ******* Medel, a player whose JOB it was to run around and tackle lots. Tom Huddlestone, who is literally the only English holding midfielder in his prime under the age of 30. Tom Huddlestone, who has come off the back of a fantastic season, where he was the heartbeat of an overachieving promoted side.
Good grief, if you think he's that bad then I hate to see what you require in order to give someone a shot in the ****** national team. Or perhaps we should just go back to Gareth Barry for 2016?